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China testing waters with US with provocative acts Santiago
Global Nation Inquirer ^ | 12/2/12 | Phillipine News

Posted on 12/02/2012 7:54:08 AM PST by mgist

MANILA, Philippines — China is “literally testing the waters” to see how far it can go in provoking America’s tolerance with the plan to board foreign ships as an act of asserting its claim over virtually the entire South China Sea.

Senator Miriam Defensor-Santiago said China has been appearing displeased by US military’s plan to “pivot” its presence to Asia following the planned pull-out of troops from Iran and Afghanistan.

To indicate this sentiment, Santiago said China would make things difficult for the US, its Western allies who have been using the sea as a transit route and members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations where some members have been engaged in disputes with China over areas in the Spratlys in the past years.

However, Santiago warned that China has been pushing its luck in the attempt to provoke “public attention” through antics such as including disputed territories in the map of China printed in newly released electronic passports.

“China is provoking public attention but knows very well she cannot get away with it and that America at some point will put its foot down,” the senator said in a radio interview on Sunday.

It is unfortunate that the Philippines and other countries that would be affected by China’s plan to board foreign ships are caught in the power play it is engaged in with the US, according to Santiago.

“Naggigirian ang dalawang higante (Two giants are in a skirmish). China has become swellheaded because the US has obligations to it that add up to $13 billion,” she explained.

Santiago noted that when the US entered its ongoing financial crisis, its government sold bonds “which is actually an IOU note. Most of these bonds were bought by China.”

The senator said China could be exhibiting a belligerent attitude as a nose-thumbing gesture toward the superpower lender.

By Santiago’s interpretation, China means: “’Akala mo sino ka, nangungutang ka lang sa akin, kaya gagawin ko ang gusto ko (‘You think you’re that special but you’re just borrowing money from me, so I’ll do what I want to do’).”

On the other hand, the senator said China probably felt it was being fenced in by the US’ plan to shift attention to Asia.

“After the announcement to pivot toward Asia, China feels like it is being cornered and could be interpreting this announcement as a challenge (“parang naghahamon”). So literally, China is testing the waters,” she explained.

Santiago added that China’s other tactic would be to stir things up in Association of Southeast Asian Nations, dividing the group between its allies and parties it has been engaged in territorial disputes with.

In July, Cambodia frustrated Philippine officials’ attempts to call attention to China’s intrusion in Scarborough Shoal (Panatag Shoal) during an Asean meeting expected to come up with a joint statement on the matter.

“China wants to hold Asean by the neck because it has allies in the group. Meanwhile, it also has the Philippines and other members affected by the dispute over the West Philippine Sea,” Santiago noted.

“China does not favor a unified Asean, it would rather that the group become fragmented. That’s why it also insists on talking to other claimants to territories in the area separately. United we stand, divided we fall,” she added.

Chinese state media announced that police in Hainan province would be given authority beginning January 1 to search vessels that pass through the South China Sea.

The announcement came at the heels of protests aired by the Philippines, Vietnam, Taiwan and India over the map on the new Chinese electronic passport that depicts disputed areas as belonging to China.

Manila specifically objected to the inclusion of China’s so-called nine –dash-line claim to virtually all territories in the South China Sea that includes Scarborough Shoal and the Spratly island chain that the Philippines partially claims.

The Philippines and Vietnam have refused to stamp visas on the Chinese e-passports.

Senate foreign relations chair Loren Legarda believes Malacañang’s appointment of a new ambassador to Beijing would help ease tensions between China and the Philippines.

“Having an ambassador or an official representative to help clear issues would help. Also…we should not tolerate that kind of treatment, having them climb aboard our ships for inspection and sending us out of disputed seas,” she said in another radio interview.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: china; chinanavy

1 posted on 12/02/2012 7:54:25 AM PST by mgist
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To: mgist

“Senator Miriam Defensor-Santiago said China has been appearing displeased by US military’s plan to “pivot” its presence to Asia following the planned pull-out of troops from Iran and Afghanistan.”

IRAN? IRAN? Idiots in power across the globe. How did this come to be?


2 posted on 12/02/2012 8:11:47 AM PST by ILS21R (Everything... IS... a conspiracy)
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To: mgist

Go to the link and select the United States, India and China. India’s population is poised to greatly exceed China’s. The United States is not the long term primary adversary of China.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204528204577009922309104512.html


3 posted on 12/02/2012 8:13:43 AM PST by meatloaf (Support Senate S 1863 & House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: mgist
China's territorial aggression in the South China Sea has been building for several years. Now that the US under Obama has been essentially booted out of southeast Asia by the local authorities, China is revving up its campaign to assert suzerainty over its smaller neighbors.

Obama was humiliated at the Asian meetings last week. Whatever Obama does about this will be wrong. He will either do too little or recklessly lurch and make things worse..

4 posted on 12/02/2012 8:14:04 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: mgist
Up until 1898, Great Britain was clearly the world's superpower. Sure, Germany and Russia wanted to compete, but they were not at that level. France and Spain were has-beens, but respected as world powers. Then, in 1898 the US won the Spanish-American war. We went beyond our own borders. For the first time, we were a world power of some sort. Certainly not at the level of Great Britain -- we had no empire. But by 1898, the world had to pay attention to us.

Jump forward 20 years. It's 1918. Who is the greatest power in the world? Who owns almost all the gold on the planet? That would be the United States. Britain was on its way to losing its empire. A world power still, but hardly a superpower.It can happen that quickly.

The US today in 2012? We've been pushed off the platform. Our time has passed, and we will not recover our glory. The world has changed.

We may not realize that -- but China knows.

5 posted on 12/02/2012 8:14:39 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Global Warming is a religion, and I don't want to be taxed to pay for a faith that is not mine.)
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To: ILS21R
She probably heard Biden yak about obama "ending the wars in Iran and Iraq."
6 posted on 12/02/2012 8:15:51 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: ILS21R

The land under the South China Sea is rich in OIL!!!


7 posted on 12/02/2012 8:17:08 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: hinckley buzzard

True.


8 posted on 12/02/2012 8:17:17 AM PST by ILS21R (Everything... IS... a conspiracy)
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To: ClearCase_guy

End “free trade” now.

Bring back US jobs, and put Americans back to work.


9 posted on 12/02/2012 8:18:08 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: mgist
Courtesy of:

http://williambanzai7.blogspot.com


10 posted on 12/02/2012 8:20:35 AM PST by HangnJudge
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Yup. There are ways that we could re-invent our way of life. It wouldn't be quite like it was in 1950 or 1960 or whatever -- you cannot turn back the clock. But we could get smart about the global economy, about manufacturing, about government charity, about taxes and property ownership. We could build an America that can survive in the 21st century, with good jobs for hard-working people.

But I don't see politicians who have any interest in any of that.

11 posted on 12/02/2012 8:22:06 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Global Warming is a religion, and I don't want to be taxed to pay for a faith that is not mine.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
End “free trade” now.

The essence of freedom is found in free trade ... and the essence of slavery is found in found in the absence of free trade bartering between employers and employees.

12 posted on 12/02/2012 8:30:14 AM PST by OldNavyVet
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To: hinckley buzzard

>>Obama was humiliated at the Asian meetings last week. Whatever Obama does about this will be wrong. He will either do too little or recklessly lurch and make things worse..<<

Our weak and stupid president emboldens our enemies.


13 posted on 12/02/2012 8:31:58 AM PST by freedumb2003 (Here comes bama claus here comes bama claus left down bama claus lane!)
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To: mgist
It is unfortunate that the Philippines and other countries that would be affected by China’s plan to board foreign ships are caught in the power play it is engaged in with the US, according to Santiago.

Retarded sentiments like this are why the Philippines continues to dawdle over a much-needed defense upgrade. Uncle Sam couldn't care less, given that American territory isn't part of the dispute. And yet she has more or less come to the conclusion that this is a dispute between China and the US having nothing to do with the Philippines. Where do they find these defectives and how do they get elected to office?

14 posted on 12/02/2012 9:05:34 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

We have become a third world nation this was not the country i wanted to grow old in


15 posted on 12/02/2012 9:30:55 AM PST by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: mgist
"China is provoking public attention but knows very well she cannot get away with it and that America at some point will put its foot down, the senator said"

Translation - China, keep pushing the boundaries, we're not ready to act yet.

16 posted on 12/02/2012 9:47:18 AM PST by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: OldNavyVet

“The essence of freedom is found in free trade ... and the essence of slavery is found in found in the absence of free trade bartering between employers and employees.”

How is it free trade bartering when employers have unlimited labor supply. (Immigration, H1-B visa, Outsourcing, etc).

They have rigged the laws of supply and demand for labor.

Also how do you feel about the new Superpower our policies have created? They may prove to be more dangerous than the old Soviet Union.

But Hey the Employers were able to get cheap labor for a time and that’s all that’s important to you.


17 posted on 12/02/2012 9:49:21 AM PST by desertfreedom765
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To: mgist

I read a story in past few days which reports that the new Chinese passports show Taiwan and another disputed territory (the Sinkaku Islands I believe) as part of Chinese holdings.


18 posted on 12/02/2012 10:33:31 AM PST by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: mgist
China does not favor a untied Asean - it is ASEAN or Association of South East Asian Nations; I was the note-taker for the Korean hosted event in 1982. This association is an economic bloc, although politics always follow just as the America stationing of troops after WWII led to Cold War blocs opposing USSR stationing of troops before Russia's collapse.

Could it be that China is a rote student of history with no capacity to foresee changes, but hostage to its 5000 year history of continuity and therefore unable to see the USA is not going to follow the Soviet Union, or Russia into non-superpower status for the immediate future. The debt we owe them does not include economic suicide and will probably be called void by the incumbent of the Oval Office within the next four years should these aggressions continue to cost us more Money in response.

19 posted on 12/02/2012 10:37:35 AM PST by Jumper
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To: desertfreedom765
How is it free trade bartering when employers have unlimited labor supply.

It is a simplistic fact that every employee has some variable economic value to their employer.

20 posted on 12/02/2012 11:22:38 AM PST by OldNavyVet
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To: OldNavyVet

“It is a simplistic fact that every employee has some variable economic value to their employer.”

Of course if the employee doesn’t provide some value then they will not be employees for long. (unless they work for government).

However you did not answer the main points of my previous posts.

How do you feel about our trade Policies creating a dangerous superpower rival, while driving down the wages of the Average American.


21 posted on 12/02/2012 11:28:28 AM PST by desertfreedom765
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To: mgist

The Chinese could land troops on Guam. Obama won’t do a damn thing.


22 posted on 12/02/2012 2:14:57 PM PST by wny
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To: Tainan

Ping.


23 posted on 12/02/2012 3:54:12 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: OldNavyVet
The essence of freedom is found in free trade ... and the essence of slavery is found in found in the absence of free trade bartering between employers and employees.

So trading and off-shoring jobs to a country that uses slave labor does what for freedom?

24 posted on 12/02/2012 4:51:23 PM PST by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: mgist

The Chief of Naval Operations has just released a new order regarding dealing with the Chinese in open waters. The order mandates that when US naval officers stop their ships to allow the Chinese to board that American naval officers are not to bow to the Chinese lower than belt-level, and that apologies to the Chinese are not to be made by any officer above the rank of LT (O-3). Breaking...


25 posted on 12/02/2012 7:32:36 PM PST by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: desertfreedom765; Colorado Doug
Free trade carries with it an implicit message of peace and good will between nations.

Cutting off free trade is a path to World War.

26 posted on 12/03/2012 8:26:43 AM PST by OldNavyVet
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To: OldNavyVet
Free trade carries with it an implicit message of peace and good will between nations. Cutting off free trade is a path to World War.

You're joking, right??? Um, just what Navy are you a vet of? PLA? Tell me more about this implicit message of peace and good will. China has had a proxy war against us for decades and sponsor, and aid most of our enemies. They vote against us at every opportunity at the UN. The level of espionage couldn't be any higher. They steal our secrets, bribe our officials and hack our government computers. China's bellicose assertions of control over most of Asia's sea lanes and boarding of ships of sovereign nations is unprecedented. The military buildup in China is in overdrive, funded by "FREE TRADE" The best recipe for world war is to keep feeding this monster that "FREE TRADE" has created. I could feel a little differently about the job loss, etc., were it not for the fact that we are building our future enemy's military at a rate that will soon surpass our own. Is that what you want for your Grandkids? WWIII with an adversary that won't hesitate to slaughter them? Have you ever considered the idea of fair trading with a country that is not grooming itself for war with us? I'm so glad that they feel this good will that you speak of towards us.

27 posted on 12/03/2012 1:43:54 PM PST by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: Colorado Doug
You don't seem to know much about what causes war. I do, and believe me, trade wars cause shooting wars; and war is hell.

Speaking of hell, a friend of mine was in the Army Air Corps ... His POW horror story can be found at http://www.ocregister.com/articles/bowen-328324-airmen-one.html

28 posted on 12/03/2012 4:27:40 PM PST by OldNavyVet
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To: OldNavyVet
Please don't try to skirt the issue by changing the subject to your friend who was a POW and has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I have friends that have suffered too. Let's reserve that for another conversation.

I don't pretend to have the vast knowledge of what causes war like you do but I would like to learn. Please share your knowledge. Show us what you know but let's use facts, okay? How about we talk about the facts that I listed or cite your own.

Please feel free to address the following:

Was the Revolutionary war started with a trade war?

How about the war of 1812?

Was the Mexican American war precipitated by a trade war?

Was the Civil war brought about by a trade war?

Did we have a trade war with Germany prior to WWI?

Did we have a trade war with Japan prior to WWII?

Did we have a trade war with Germany prior to WWII?

Did we have a trade war with Italy prior to WWII?

Did we have a trade war with Hungary prior to WWII?

Did we have a trade war with Bulgaria prior to WWII?

Did we have a trade war with North Korea?

Did we have a trade war with Viet Nam?

Did we have a trade war with Iraq?

Kosovo?

Did we have a trade war with Afghanistan?

Refresh my memory, what wars have we had that started with trade wars?

29 posted on 12/03/2012 5:42:15 PM PST by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: Colorado Doug
In case you've not noticed, all wars are fought for money.

Ref. http://itsamoneything.com/money/quotes-on-war/

30 posted on 12/04/2012 7:04:55 AM PST by OldNavyVet
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To: OldNavyVet
There is some substance to that quote that wars are fought over money when they are not being fought over religion or land or some other thing but there is even more truth to the fact that vast sums are needed to prosecute wars. You and your ilk are the ones supplying that money and industrial might to our adversary and making war all the more likely. But really, your little quote is once again off topic "free trade" and why in your opinion curtailing unrestricted trade with our future enemy will cause war when just the opposite is more likely. I have given you a list of most of our wars and invited you to highlight which ones were fought over your precious "free trade." Please jump right in there and tell me which ones.

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will end up plowing for the ones who didn't."

31 posted on 12/04/2012 8:04:33 AM PST by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: OldNavyVet

Oh, look. Another war brewing because of a lack of free trade. /s

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2965734/posts


32 posted on 12/04/2012 10:36:40 PM PST by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: Colorado Doug
Another war brewing because of a lack of free trade.

The seeds of war very much include nations becoming strong enough to forcibly take over nearby territorial areas - destroying free trade. The seeds of war had Germany and Japan doing exactly that in the 1930s.

33 posted on 12/05/2012 3:00:58 PM PST by OldNavyVet
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To: OldNavyVet

Thank you. This is my point. China is becoming stronger because of the type of one sided free trade that we are all to happy too give them. China is sowing the seeds of war in every way from provocative and bellicose acts like are mentioned in this article to nuclear ICBMs that the PLA seem all too excited to use on us. China had no problem with murdering 30,000,000 of it’s own people. They use the wealth made from us to arm our enemies. They use their new power to politically enable our enemies. They are disputing the boundaries of most all of their neighbors. We are becoming weaker because of this species of trade with them and this emboldens them even more. If we continue to fuel this process, we are providing powerful fertilizer for these seeds. We are ensuring war because of our trade and that trade will not be the only casualty. You can expect many lives to be lost, American, Chinese and from all the other countries that get sucked into the fracas. It will be a bloody war.


34 posted on 12/05/2012 9:20:48 PM PST by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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