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Vatican hails U.N. Palestine vote, wants guarantees for Jerusalem
Reuters.com ^ | VATICAN CITY | Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:18pm EST | By Philip Pullella

Posted on 12/02/2012 11:45:25 AM PST by F15Eagle

(Reuters) - The Vatican hailed the United Nations' implicit recognition of a Palestinian state on Thursday and called for an internationally guaranteed special status for Jerusalem, something bound to irritate Israel.

The 193-nation U.N. General Assembly overwhelmingly approved a resolution to upgrade the Palestinian Authority's observer status at the United Nations from "entity" to "non-member state," the same status as the Vatican.

"The Holy See welcomes with favor the decision of the General Assembly by which Palestine has become a Non-member Observer State of the United Nations," a statement said.

But it also said it was a "propitious occasion" to recall a "common position" on Jerusalem expressed by the Vatican and the Palestine Liberation Organisation when the two sides signed a basic agreement on their bilateral relations in 2000.

Thursday's statement called for "an internationally guaranteed special statute" for Jerusalem, aimed at "safeguarding the freedom of religion and of conscience, the identity and sacred character of Jerusalem as a Holy City, (and) respect for, and freedom of, access to its holy places."

The Vatican's re-stating of its position on Jerusalem, which has remained mostly dormant for years, was bound to irk Israel, which says there is no need for an international status for Jerusalem because those guarantees already exist.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


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Found this while looking for articles on the U.N. vote. Search didn't find article. There are many "churches" who support Palestine over Israel.

The world is being dumbed-down to accept dividing Israel. This is the preparation for the Antichrist.

Yes, I've seen it in some Protestant churches as well.

The world is dividing into those who stand for Israel and those who will marginalize Israel to be overcome by the world. Jesus Christ's Second Coming occurs when He rescues the Remnant of Israel from the Antichrist and the world's armies. And He slays everyone fighting against Israel. Choose the world or Israel.

Flame away; I don't care.

1 posted on 12/02/2012 11:45:35 AM PST by F15Eagle
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To: F15Eagle

I think a lot of these morons are just excited that there now is another Islamoterrorist “state” out there to help them bring down and destroy America and Israel. JMO.


2 posted on 12/02/2012 11:51:54 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Don't tax me bro! Tax that guy over there!)
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To: F15Eagle

You should live to please God, carry your burden to where you are told to take it, speak the words that God puts in your mouth and not look back. God bless you.


3 posted on 12/02/2012 11:52:20 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: F15Eagle

I see the Church position on Jews hasn’t changed.


4 posted on 12/02/2012 11:55:47 AM PST by Daveinyork (."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)
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To: F15Eagle

No flames here FRiend.

It is rather obvious that the world is aligning against Israel....including the US.

Dark days ahead indeed.


5 posted on 12/02/2012 11:56:18 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

I agree


6 posted on 12/02/2012 11:57:34 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Truth2012; Las Vegas Ron; Daveinyork

I believe world events are accelerating towards the Tribulation Period.

We’re sure seeing a lot of crazy stuff in the Middle East these days.


7 posted on 12/02/2012 11:59:14 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: F15Eagle

Jews happy Hitler got re-elected.

Want protections from Nazis in New German Order....


8 posted on 12/02/2012 12:00:03 PM PST by Tzimisce (What do you do when every every branch of the government is corrupt and aligned against you?)
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To: F15Eagle

If these morons think for a second that a Muslim controlled Jerusalem would respect other religions, they’re dumber than even I think they are.


9 posted on 12/02/2012 12:00:36 PM PST by rbg81
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To: F15Eagle

When was the middle east not crazy?


10 posted on 12/02/2012 12:02:43 PM PST by Daveinyork (."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)
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To: Daveinyork

LOL - true

But now they have chemical and biological weapons. And some of the best tanks and jet fighters, including U.S-made.

And they have brothers-in-allah who have deployed nuclear weapons (Pakistan) and are actively working on nuclear weapons (Iran).

http://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=no+flesh+saved&qs_version=KJV

Matthew 24:22 KJV
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

Mark 13:20 KJV
And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect’s sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.


11 posted on 12/02/2012 12:11:14 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: All

12 posted on 12/02/2012 12:12:56 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: F15Eagle

Looks like a lamb but speaks like a dragon?


13 posted on 12/02/2012 12:15:02 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: F15Eagle

Well whomever is in charge of the vatican are complete morons and foolish ones at that. Any church spouting this idiocy has nothing good to offer.

I really don’t see any redemption for those trying to destroy Israel.


14 posted on 12/02/2012 12:16:22 PM PST by soycd
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To: soycd; Olog-hai

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Zechariah+14:12&version=KJV

Zechariah 14:12 (King James Version)

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people
that have fought against Jerusalem;
Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and
their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and
their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.


15 posted on 12/02/2012 12:20:47 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: F15Eagle

No flame. This is however a tragic thing at the Vatican for the Church and her self-knowledge and integrity. But we must have faith that the Holy Spirit will draw the Church into a closer understanding of His will regarding Zion.


16 posted on 12/02/2012 12:44:39 PM PST by faithhopecharity (--)
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To: soycd

In RC theology (can’t speak for Coke or Pepsi, just kidding) there isn’t a special end times role for a literal restored Land of Israel. So the Vatican simply views what Israel is doing as screwing nomadic Arabs out of a homeland. (Has the Vatican EVER looked at one of those maps of the world that shows how much space Islamic countries occupy, vs. how much space Israel occupies? Has the Vatican ever read the biblical bounds of Israel — even at its largest according to the most zealous Zionism, they do NOT have an expand-to-conquer-the-world plan like Islam has, which, yes, would include taking Vatican City?)


17 posted on 12/02/2012 12:48:22 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: F15Eagle
No flames. No room for doubt. The Vatican's history of political and economic thought has been consistent -- and awful. Photobucket
18 posted on 12/02/2012 12:48:58 PM PST by FredZarguna (Nothing against Paki's. Just paraphrasing Biden. Or Hillary. Or Both.)
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To: F15Eagle

While Israel’s response is to encourage more home construction, they need to do two things that will pound the message home.

The first is the more important of the two, and that is to nationalize all holy sites. Declare them to be the property of Israel, while stripping them of any foreign or religious claims. Then Israel can be all sweetness and light about the terms for leasing those holy sites, on condition that those who lease them must be good tenants.

This especially applies to the al-Asqa mosque in Jerusalem, and objections can be laughed down because no other nation allows foreign or religious claims on its land outside of embassies and other very limited situations.

Second, is to create a timetable in which all Palestinian owned properties in Jerusalem will be taken via eminent domain for “public purposes”. This will methodically eliminate any Paleo claims in the Israeli court system.


19 posted on 12/02/2012 12:49:17 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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To: F15Eagle

Joel 3
1 “In those days and at that time, when I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem, 2 I will gather all nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. There I will enter into judgment against them concerning my inheritance, my people Israel, for they scattered my people among the nations and divided up my land.


20 posted on 12/02/2012 12:56:27 PM PST by Taxbilly
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To: Taxbilly

Yes, the Word of the Lord is telling us (a broad hint, that is) that the Valley of Jehoshaphat is another term for Armageddon.

I believe the world will see and receive the False Peace of the Antichrist first, and then seven years later, the prophecy you have quoted shall be fulfilled at the end of the Great Tribulation.


21 posted on 12/02/2012 1:00:17 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: FredZarguna

I will never ever under the Catholic Church


22 posted on 12/02/2012 1:01:53 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: F15Eagle
Why the Modern View of the Book of Revelation may be Flawed.

Here is Msgr Charles Popes comment on part of the topic relating to this.
23 posted on 12/02/2012 1:02:12 PM PST by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: F15Eagle

bttt


24 posted on 12/02/2012 1:10:12 PM PST by crosshairs (Hurricane Barry is 1000 times more destructive than Hurricane Sandy.)
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To: F15Eagle
"The world is dividing into those who stand for Israel and those who will marginalize Israel to be overcome by the world. Jesus Christ's Second Coming occurs when He rescues the Remnant of Israel from the Antichrist and the world's armies. And He slays everyone fighting against Israel. Choose the world or Israel.

Flame away; I don't care."

No flaming from this corner! I'm standing with Israel, and anyone who doesn't like it---any church, any so-called Christian, any nation, including my own---can take a flying leap.

25 posted on 12/02/2012 1:11:32 PM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: F15Eagle

Maybe the Vatican would see the error of their ways if they read the Bible.


26 posted on 12/02/2012 1:11:51 PM PST by crosshairs (Hurricane Barry is 1000 times more destructive than Hurricane Sandy.)
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To: Tzimisce

Just about sums it up.


27 posted on 12/02/2012 1:12:02 PM PST by bonfire
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To: F15Eagle
These are strange days, but also so much to be expected for those of us who follow along with the Word. I don't know how people, without God, face the fear of what is coming- IF they are awake and see what is happening. This would be a good time for people to start thinking about looking at shelters from the coming storm.

http://www.alphanewsdaily.com/Warning%201%20Israel%20Jerusalem.html

From link:

"Please remember . . .

The Kingdom of Heaven is available to every man, woman, boy, and girl in this world, no matter who they are, where they live, or what they have done. It is freely offered to any and all who will receive it. Simply learn of Jesus (Yeshua), the promised Messiah, invite Him into your life as Lord, believe He died on the Cross for all of your sins and rose from the grave (proving there is a Kingdom of Heaven ... and a coming resurrection for both those who are going to Heaven and for those who are going to Hell). Learn of Him and believe in Him . . . for He was the only one who has ever loved you enough to substitute Himself for you on the Cross (which represents Hell). He shed His blood, suffered, and died on the Cross to save you from your sins and from the utter darkness, aloneness, and torment of Hell, if you will accept it, believe it, and trust in it. That is why Jesus is called Savior. He now lovingly and graciously offers you life in Heaven (and we are warned it is a "take it or leave it" proposition.) We have to consciously receive it and accept it in faith. If you sincerely admit you have sinned (and need a Savior to get into Heaven) and fully trust in Him alone to save you from your sins and from Hell ... and turn away ("repent") from those things God says are wrong and turn back to God, you will go to Heaven ... and with open arms and tears of joy He will receive all who will come to Him in faith and in love ... It's God's Promise!!!"

28 posted on 12/02/2012 1:15:09 PM PST by Truth2012
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To: F15Eagle
These are strange days, but also so much to be expected for those of us who follow along with the Word. I don't know how people, without God, face the fear of what is coming- IF they are awake and see what is happening. This would be a good time for people to start thinking about looking at shelters from the coming storm.

http://www.alphanewsdaily.com/Warning%201%20Israel%20Jerusalem.html

From link:

"Please remember . . .

The Kingdom of Heaven is available to every man, woman, boy, and girl in this world, no matter who they are, where they live, or what they have done. It is freely offered to any and all who will receive it. Simply learn of Jesus (Yeshua), the promised Messiah, invite Him into your life as Lord, believe He died on the Cross for all of your sins and rose from the grave (proving there is a Kingdom of Heaven ... and a coming resurrection for both those who are going to Heaven and for those who are going to Hell). Learn of Him and believe in Him . . . for He was the only one who has ever loved you enough to substitute Himself for you on the Cross (which represents Hell). He shed His blood, suffered, and died on the Cross to save you from your sins and from the utter darkness, aloneness, and torment of Hell, if you will accept it, believe it, and trust in it. That is why Jesus is called Savior. He now lovingly and graciously offers you life in Heaven (and we are warned it is a "take it or leave it" proposition.) We have to consciously receive it and accept it in faith. If you sincerely admit you have sinned (and need a Savior to get into Heaven) and fully trust in Him alone to save you from your sins and from Hell ... and turn away ("repent") from those things God says are wrong and turn back to God, you will go to Heaven ... and with open arms and tears of joy He will receive all who will come to Him in faith and in love ... It's God's Promise!!!"

29 posted on 12/02/2012 1:15:09 PM PST by Truth2012
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To: CatherineofAragon

bump!!


30 posted on 12/02/2012 1:19:20 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: F15Eagle
The Vatican hailed the United Nations' implicit recognition of a Palestinian state on Thursday and called for an internationally guaranteed special status for Jerusalem, something bound to irritate Israel.

The 193-nation U.N. General Assembly overwhelmingly approved a resolution to upgrade the Palestinian Authority's observer status at the United Nations from "entity" to "non-member state," the same status as the Vatican.

"The Holy See welcomes with favor the decision of the General Assembly by which Palestine has become a Non-member Observer State of the United Nations," a statement said.

Ping for later

31 posted on 12/02/2012 1:21:00 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: F15Eagle; All

The valley of Jehoshaphat is not another tern for Armageddon. This described where the valley lies. Probably between the Mount of Olives and Jerusalem (i.e. the Kidron Valley):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_of_Josaphat

This is not near Meggido (Armageddon)

However, point taken that those who tread on Israel do so at their own peril


32 posted on 12/02/2012 1:23:48 PM PST by shalom aleichem
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To: Daveinyork

Stop!

Read the article.

Posters here always amaze me in their reluctance to rad through and between the lines any article pertaining to the Holy See.

Who at the Vatican said this?

“. . . a statement said.”

You guys are better than this. The Church has never been against Israel.

Stop


33 posted on 12/02/2012 1:28:10 PM PST by stanne
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


34 posted on 12/02/2012 1:28:25 PM PST by Nachum (The List is off the Google blacklist- www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


35 posted on 12/02/2012 1:29:15 PM PST by Nachum (The List is off the Google blacklist- www.nachumlist.com)
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To: shalom aleichem

Agreed they are separate locations.

But I think, at that time, that the wars are all over the place. I think this is why the Lord said He would bring the nations down there. They gather at Megiddo and obviously there is a horrible slaughter there, with the pieces of the warriors and the vultures gathering to eat the bodies (holy cow).

One thing for certain, as you know, all of Bible prophecy shall be fulfilled.

“However, point taken that those who tread on Israel do so at their own peril”

Agreed.


36 posted on 12/02/2012 1:29:18 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: shalom aleichem

I should have been more clear: I believe those events occur at the end of the Great Tribulation.


37 posted on 12/02/2012 1:30:34 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: soycd

Morons really? A 2000 year old organization founded by Jesus, really.

THe only ones you describe are those reading this without realizing mainstream media (Rueters, for instance) repeatedly and invariably misrepresent the Vatican

Read it and answer the question who said it?


38 posted on 12/02/2012 1:31:09 PM PST by stanne
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To: faithhopecharity

What’s tragic is that people here who love to tear apart the propagandist Reuters until it comes to a completely undfounded article re the Vatican


39 posted on 12/02/2012 1:32:30 PM PST by stanne
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To: F15Eagle

I wonder why you would choose Reuters to describe the reaction. You would not do so over, say, the Washington Examiner in describing a conservative’s behavior.

Zenit is reliable, but not for Catholic haters.

2012-11-30
Permalink: http://www.zenit.org/article-36068?l=english

Holy See Responds to Palestinian Authority Vote: Calls for ‘Effective Commitment’ to Peace

‘Welcomes With Favour’ UN Decision; Renews Appeal for Special Status for Jerusalem

VATICAN CITY, NOV. 29, 2012 (Zenit.org).- A communiqué from the Holy See says that today’s United Nations vote recognizing the Palestinian Authority as a non-member state is not a “sufficient solution” to the problems of the region, since there must be an “effective commitment to building peace and stability, in justice and in the respect for legitimate aspirations, both of the Israelis and of the Palestinians.”

Still, the Holy See “welcomes with favour the decision of the General Assembly by which Palestine has become a Non-member Observer State of the United Nations,” the statement affirmed.

The vote was 138 in favor, nine against and 41 abstentions, with the United States and Canada among the nations to oppose the move; the UK abstained.

The Holy See statement affirmed its neutrality between the parties. It also called for placing the vote “within the context of the efforts of giving a definitive solution, with the support of the international community,” to the 1947 UN Resolution 181, the “juridical basis for the existence of two States, one of which has not been constituted in the successive 65 years, while the other has already seen the light.”

A dream

The Holy See recalled the Pope’s appeal for peace and for the two-state solution from a 2009 speech at the end of his pilgrimage to the Holy Land.

“Let it be universally recognized that the State of Israel has the right to exist, and to enjoy peace and security within internationally agreed borders. Let it be likewise acknowledged that the Palestinian people have a right to a sovereign independent homeland, to live with dignity and to travel freely. Let the two-state solution become a reality, not remain a dream,” the Holy Father said on that occasion.

Increased commitment

The Holy See statement recalled its various appeals inviting “the leaders of the two Peoples to restart the negotiations in good faith and to avoid actions, or the placing of conditions, which would contradict the declarations of goodwill and the sincere search for solutions which could become secure foundations for a lasting peace.”

It further noted appeals to the international community, to increase its commitment to peace and to encourage creativity. “Peace needs courageous decisions,” the statement declared.

Jerusalem

The Holy See concluded by saying today’s vote is a good occasion to recall its 2000 Basic Agreement with the Palestinian Liberation Organisation, “intended to support the recognition of a internationally guaranteed special statute for the City of Jerusalem, and aimed, in particular, to safeguarding the freedom of religion and of conscience, the identity and sacred character of Jerusalem as a Holy City, respect for and freedom of access to its Holy Places.”

-— -— -—


40 posted on 12/02/2012 1:38:48 PM PST by stanne
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To: F15Eagle

Ugh. I found the Zenit article in about one second, searching for Holy See’s rxn.


41 posted on 12/02/2012 1:39:39 PM PST by stanne
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To: F15Eagle

Is the Pope senile?


42 posted on 12/02/2012 1:41:22 PM PST by ffusco (The President will return this country to what it once was...An arctic wasteland covered in ice.)
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To: stanne

the Vatican supports the “two-state solution” -— gonna deny this source as well?

From the official Vatican website:

http://www.news.va/en/news/communique-of-the-holy-see

3. On 15 May 2009, while departing from “Ben Gurion” International Airport, Tel Aviv, at the conclusion of his pilgrimage to the Holy Land, Pope Benedict XVI expressed the following: No more bloodshed! No more fighting! No more terrorism! No more war! Instead let us break the vicious circle of violence. Let there be lasting peace based on justice, let there be genuine reconciliation and healing. Let it be universally recognized that the State of Israel has the right to exist, and to enjoy peace and security within internationally agreed borders. Let it be likewise acknowledged that the Palestinian people have a right to a sovereign independent homeland, to live with dignity and to travel freely. ***Let the two-state solution become a reality, not remain a dream.***

7. Considering the outcome of today’s vote of the General Assembly of the United Nations, and to encourage the International Community, and in particular the Parties directly concerned, towards concrete action in view of the aforementioned objectives – the Holy See welcomes with favour the decision of the General Assembly by which Palestine has become a Non- member Observer State of the United Nations. It is a propitious occasion to recall also the common position that the Holy See and the Palestinian Liberation Organisation expressed in the Basic Agreement of 15 February 2000, intended to support the recognition of a internationally guaranteed special statute for the City of Jerusalem, and aimed, in particular, to safeguarding the freedom of religion and of conscience, the identity and sacred character of Jerusalem as a Holy City, respect for and freedom of access to its Holy Places.


43 posted on 12/02/2012 1:41:58 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: ffusco

No the Pope is not senile, I do wonder if the posters here are as they are so willing to accept Reuters as truth.


44 posted on 12/02/2012 1:42:55 PM PST by stanne
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To: stanne

Post the link — it would be good for the thread

TIA


45 posted on 12/02/2012 1:43:11 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: All

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1205029.htm

PALESTINE-VATICAN Nov-30-2012 (680 words) With photos. xxxi

Vatican praises new UN status for Palestine, urges full sovereignty

By Carol Glatz
Catholic News Service

VATICAN CITY (CNS) — The Vatican praised a United Nations vote making Palestine a non-member observer state but called for full recognition of Palestinian sovereignty as necessary for peace in the region.

One hundred thirty-eight member states voted Nov. 29 to boost Palestine’s status from “entity” to “non-member state” — the same status held by the Holy See — in an implicit recognition of Palestinian sovereignty. Israel, the United States and Canada were among the nine states that voted against the motion. Forty-one countries abstained.

The vote reflects the “sentiment of the majority of the international community” in favor of a “more significant presence to Palestinians within the United Nations,” the Vatican said in a written statement Nov. 29.

But Palestine’s enhanced status at the U.N. “does not constitute, per se, a sufficient solution to the existing problems in the region,” the Vatican said. Such a solution would require “effective commitment to building peace and stability, in justice and in the respect for legitimate aspirations, both of the Israelis and of the Palestinians,” it said.

Israeli and Palestinian leaders need to restart peace “negotiations in good faith and to avoid actions, or the placing of conditions, which would contradict the declarations of good will and the sincere search for solutions which could become secure foundations for a lasting peace,” it said.

In the West Bank, church bells rang out as the announcement of the U.N. decision was made.

In its statement, the Vatican noted its 2000 agreement with the Palestinian Authority supporting “the recognition of an internationally guaranteed special statute for the city of Jerusalem.”

The agreement aims to safeguard “the freedom of religion and of conscience, the identity and sacred character of Jerusalem as a holy city, (and) respect for and freedom of access to its holy places,” the Vatican said.

It said the international community, too, needs to pitch in and encourage “the adoption of suitable initiatives which may help to achieve a lasting peace that respects the rights of Israelis and of Palestinians. Peace needs courageous decisions.”

Palestine’s enhanced status gives it the right to speak at U.N. meetings and sponsor and sign resolutions, but not to vote on U.N. resolutions. Nonmember observers may petition to join the body as full members.

Meanwhile, the Israeli Embassy to the Vatican said the U.N. motion was merely “symbolic” and that the general assembly does not have the power to confer statehood.

The Nov. 29 resolution “does not, and cannot, establish a Palestinian state or even grant it recognition,” the embassy said in a Nov. 30 statement. At present, 131 of the 193 U.N. member states have recognized the state of Palestine.

“Israel is prepared to live in peace with a Palestinian state. However, for peace to endure, Israel’s security must be guaranteed: The Palestinians must recognize the Jewish state and they must be prepared to end the conflict with Israel,” the embassy said.

It said Israel was open to direct dialogue with Palestinians, saying peace can only come from direct agreements between the two parties and that “turning to the U.N. distanced the chances for peace.”

The Vatican said in its statement that the currently unresolved question of Palestinian statehood was already addressed in U.N. Resolution 181, which was passed on Nov. 29, 1947 — exactly 65 years to the day of the Palestinian observer status vote.

The United Nations’ Partition Plan for Palestine is the “juridical basis for the existence of two states, one of which has not been constituted in the successive 65 years, while the other (Israel) has already seen the light,” the Vatican said.

It reiterated Pope Benedict XVI’s call for the two-state solution to “become a reality, not remain a dream.”

Quoting the pope’s 2009 speech in Tel Aviv, Israel, the Vatican said that peace can result only from a situation of justice for all parties: the recognition of Israel’s right to exist “and to enjoy peace and security within internationally agreed borders,” as well as the Palestinians’ right “to a sovereign independent homeland, to live with dignity and to travel freely.”

END


46 posted on 12/02/2012 1:44:14 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: stanne

Bl. Anne Catherine Emmerich:

“The Church is the only one, the Roman Catholic! And if there were left upon earth but one Catholic, he would be the one, universal Church, the Catholic Church, the Church of Jesus Christ against which the gates of Hell shall never prevail.”


47 posted on 12/02/2012 1:44:22 PM PST by billys kid ("Bury me on my head for one day this world will be upside down." (Diogenes))
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To: F15Eagle

This is what I am denying:

“The Vatican hailed the United Nations’ implicit recognition of a Palestinian”

And you know it.

And I am not responding to anything else as it is unreasonable from here.


48 posted on 12/02/2012 1:46:02 PM PST by stanne
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To: All

http://www.zenit.org/article-36068?l=english

ZE12113004 - 2012-11-30
Permalink: http://www.zenit.org/article-36068?l=english
Holy See Responds to Palestinian Authority Vote: Calls for ‘Effective Commitment’ to Peace

‘Welcomes With Favour’ UN Decision; Renews Appeal for Special Status for Jerusalem

VATICAN CITY, NOV. 29, 2012 (Zenit.org).- A communiqué from the Holy See says that today’s United Nations vote recognizing the Palestinian Authority as a non-member state is not a “sufficient solution” to the problems of the region, since there must be an “effective commitment to building peace and stability, in justice and in the respect for legitimate aspirations, both of the Israelis and of the Palestinians.”

Still, the Holy See “welcomes with favour the decision of the General Assembly by which Palestine has become a Non-member Observer State of the United Nations,” the statement affirmed.

The vote was 138 in favor, nine against and 41 abstentions, with the United States and Canada among the nations to oppose the move; the UK abstained.

The Holy See statement affirmed its neutrality between the parties. It also called for placing the vote “within the context of the efforts of giving a definitive solution, with the support of the international community,” to the 1947 UN Resolution 181, the “juridical basis for the existence of two States, one of which has not been constituted in the successive 65 years, while the other has already seen the light.”

A dream

*****The Holy See recalled the Pope’s appeal for peace and for the two-state solution from a 2009 speech at the end of his pilgrimage to the Holy Land.*****

“Let it be universally recognized that the State of Israel has the right to exist, and to enjoy peace and security within internationally agreed borders. Let it be likewise acknowledged that the Palestinian people have a right to a sovereign independent homeland, to live with dignity and to travel freely. Let the two-state solution become a reality, not remain a dream,” the Holy Father said on that occasion.

Increased commitment

The Holy See statement recalled its various appeals inviting “the leaders of the two Peoples to restart the negotiations in good faith and to avoid actions, or the placing of conditions, which would contradict the declarations of goodwill and the sincere search for solutions which could become secure foundations for a lasting peace.”

It further noted appeals to the international community, to increase its commitment to peace and to encourage creativity. “Peace needs courageous decisions,” the statement declared.

Jerusalem

*****The Holy See concluded by saying today’s vote is a good occasion to recall its 2000 Basic Agreement with the Palestinian Liberation Organisation, “intended to support the recognition of a internationally guaranteed special statute for the City of Jerusalem,***** and aimed, in particular, to safeguarding the freedom of religion and of conscience, the identity and sacred character of Jerusalem as a Holy City, respect for and freedom of access to its Holy Places.”


49 posted on 12/02/2012 1:48:01 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: stanne

“And you know it.”

No, what I hear is you making excuses.

Post the Zenit article you went “Ugh” about.


50 posted on 12/02/2012 1:49:02 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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