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Doyline evacuation extended; 6M pounds of black powder to be moved (LA)
KSLA12 ^ | Dec. 3, 2012 | Carolyn Roy

Posted on 12/03/2012 6:53:01 AM PST by bgill

CAMP MINDEN, LA (KSLA) - Authorities now believe they're dealing with more than 6 million pounds of M6 powder at Camp Minden.

Original estimates had the stockpile officials say was improperly stored on property leased by Explo Systems, Inc. at 1 million pounds.

(Excerpt) Read more at ksla.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: explosives; louisiana

1 posted on 12/03/2012 6:53:05 AM PST by bgill
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To: bgill

smoking lamp IS NOT lit


2 posted on 12/03/2012 6:58:21 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Squantos

No tap dancing.


3 posted on 12/03/2012 7:00:13 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: bgill

“...smokeless black powder...”

Say what?


4 posted on 12/03/2012 7:01:11 AM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: bgill

Anyone know what this powder is? “Smokeless Black Powder” seems a bit of a stretch.


5 posted on 12/03/2012 7:01:55 AM PST by buffaloguy
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To: bgill

Explo indeed


6 posted on 12/03/2012 7:03:17 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Happy 10th FR birthday to meeeeeeeeee)
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To: buffaloguy

86.1% Nitrocellulose
9.9% Dinitrotoluene
3% Dibutylphtalate
1% Diphenylamine


7 posted on 12/03/2012 7:09:36 AM PST by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything)
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To: bgill

Reading another article it’s guncotton, not black powder.


8 posted on 12/03/2012 7:12:24 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: bgill

Send it to Washington. Maybe it will help close the money pit.


9 posted on 12/03/2012 7:12:52 AM PST by wizr (Keep the Faith!)
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To: KrisKrinkle
“...smokeless black powder...”

Remember ‘reporters’ ain't the brightest of God's creatures.
After all, in his eyes all powder is black and modern powder is smokeless. Ergo, Smokeless Black Powder.
I did not see anything that told me when the powder was first stored. My guess is some of it has been there since WWll and is smokeless.
6,000,000 pounds is a hell of a lot of powder, smokeless or black powder.

10 posted on 12/03/2012 7:13:54 AM PST by Tupelo (Hunkered down & loading up)
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To: Strategerist
Holy Cats! Guncotton!

Everybody tiptoe quietly away . . . far, far away . . . after putting your extra socks on over your shoes . . . .

11 posted on 12/03/2012 7:15:44 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: bgill

So, only about 10-60 belly dumps. What’s the bog deal? Those union boys will get rid of that stuff in a jiffy. /s


12 posted on 12/03/2012 7:16:34 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Paine in the Neck

Do you know what the equivalent commercial powder would be?


13 posted on 12/03/2012 7:17:12 AM PST by buffaloguy
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To: buffaloguy

They use to manufacture and maybe still do for some special purposes what what was call bulk smokeless that had black powder burn rate and pressures. There are black powder substitutes that are used in muzzle loading arms that are basically the same burning rate of black but are really more smokeless.


14 posted on 12/03/2012 7:17:51 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: bgill
Is this Pyrodex?
15 posted on 12/03/2012 7:18:09 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state." - Cornelius Tacitus, Roman Senator)
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To: Paine in the Neck
86.1% Nitrocellulose

9.9% Dinitrotoluene

3% Dibutylphtalate

1% Diphenylamine

That is just one of the many formulations for ordinary smokeless powder.

It is black because it has been coated with a fine layer of graphite to reduce the effects of static electricity. This is classified as a propellant and not an explosive.

Ignorant reporter, nothing more.

16 posted on 12/03/2012 7:19:19 AM PST by CurlyDave
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To: Tupelo

Maybe we well get lucky and they well surplus it out.


17 posted on 12/03/2012 7:20:43 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: Cvengr

From the article, 1 million lbs equiv to about 27, 18 wheel tractor trailer loads or about 108 loads total. Looks like it is all stored outside in Supersacks.

Owners are in South Korea.


18 posted on 12/03/2012 7:21:55 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: bgill
I had no idea there were that many Civil War re-enactors out there.
19 posted on 12/03/2012 7:22:09 AM PST by Oratam
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To: CurlyDave

I did find a reference to it and it appears to be military grade powder, not black powder. I am not sure what it is used for though.


20 posted on 12/03/2012 7:36:23 AM PST by buffaloguy
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To: bgill

Or they’ll just load it onto CSX railcars, leave it in a railyard, chase the trainspotters off and threaten them with lawsuits for snapping pictures of railcars, and let about a month go by before saying “Well, you see, the railcars were broken into and we were busy chasing off the railfans instead of securing the railcars..”
But at least those criminal camera carying railfans were chased off good! /sarc*
*Based off a real event.


21 posted on 12/03/2012 7:36:53 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: bgill

http://www.tpub.com/gunners/6.htm

From the link:

M-6 and M-6+2.-M-6 and M-6+2 propellant designations equate to the SPDN and SPDF (respectively) descriptions previously provided. These designations are used to describe the propellants used in 76-mm ammunition. The +2 refers to a 2% mixture of potassium sulfate.

SPDN.- SPDN is a diphenylamine-stabilized smokeless powder to which nonvolatile materials are added to reduce the’ hydroscopic tendencies of the propellant. The N stands for nonhygroscopic.

SPD.- SPD is a single-base smokeless powder stabilized with diphenylamine.

Another useful link:
http://www.saami.org/specifications_and_information/publications/download/SAAMI_ITEM_200-Smokeless_Powder.pdf


22 posted on 12/03/2012 7:39:21 AM PST by Calamari (Pass enough laws and everyone is guilty of something.)
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To: riverrunner

I have used the black powder substitutes in muzzle loaders and am quite familiar with them and this is not one of them. The substitutes are basically black powder with substitutions of other chemicals for the sulfur.

Hard to clean, somewhat corrosive and quite frankly the lack of a large fragrant cloud is a real bummer compared to the real thing.


23 posted on 12/03/2012 7:41:04 AM PST by buffaloguy
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To: riverrunner

4831 all over again:)


24 posted on 12/03/2012 7:52:24 AM PST by Cold Heart
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To: Calamari

76mm ammunition!? For what? An M4 Sherman tank?

Surely this stuff hasn’t been there since WWII.


25 posted on 12/03/2012 7:57:56 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: buffaloguy
Actually there are several types of black powder substitutes that are called "smokeless black powder", they have all the characteristics of black powder but they smoke a good deal less and leave less residue in the barrel upon firing. One of the earliest attempts of this was Pyrodex,which does smoke slightly less and produces a smaller amount(not much difference)of residue. However, there have been great advances made since then, one of the names, just off the top of my head, is Clear shot(I think)and others are Black Thorn 209, triple seven and at least one more whose name I forget.

I prefer Pyrodex because I am used to it and it doesn't leave me covered in goo the way real black powder does and is easier to get, black powder is limited in production, however the new substitutes are a lot cleaner. Be that as it may, Pyrodex is the number one substitute used by most muzzle loader shooters.

26 posted on 12/03/2012 8:19:44 AM PST by calex59
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To: FreedomPoster

“Surely this stuff hasn’t been there since WWII.”

Possible. Dangerous because there is so much of it and it is stored where the sun can heat it which may cause deterioration which can lead to spontaneous combustion which in a 6 million pound pile of this stuff may lead to more than a large fast fire or may not.


27 posted on 12/03/2012 8:21:00 AM PST by Calamari (Pass enough laws and everyone is guilty of something.)
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To: FreedomPoster
76mm ammunition!? For what? An M4 Sherman tank? Surely this stuff hasn’t been there since WWII.

Actually the Sherman used a short barreled, low velocity 75M. The British took the Sherman and ripped out the 75 and replaced it with a long barreled 76 MM and they called the tank the Firefly. The new(for then)M24 light tank also had a 75 MM but was a long barreled high velocity gun. The M41 Bulldog that replaced the M24 had a high velocity 76 MM.

No reason for pointing this out except I sometimes like to show off, the older I get the more often the urge crops up. :)

28 posted on 12/03/2012 8:28:07 AM PST by calex59
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To: calex59

Actually there were quite a number of Shermans built with the U.S. 76mm gun, as opposed to the British 76.2mm / 17 pounder used in the Firefly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_Sherman


29 posted on 12/03/2012 8:56:02 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: buffaloguy

I found the black powder substitutes easier to clean then Black powder.

Then one could shoot a savage like I do and use smokeless for a substitute and can go 50 60rounds at least with out the worry of cleaning or that sinky large foul smelling cloud of smoke.


30 posted on 12/03/2012 9:04:43 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: Tijeras_Slim; Eaker; hiredhand

After sandia did the evaluation and investigation on the Iowa 16 inch gun accident long ago..... we went out to our range and disposed of the 20,000 plus pounds of the powder left over.

Each grain / pellet of powder for the old 16 inch guns was the size of a 8 gauge shotgun shell.....

Layed it out in a looooooong snake like pattern and tossed a couple of thermite grenades into the pile left at one end......

Bubbled the paint off the tailgate of the truck we tossed the grenades from before we could get away it went so fast and so hot.

Streams of powder were about a foot wide and 6 inches deep. But almost a mile long spirialing circle on our range.

You would have easily seen the results from your office. Quite the smoke and heat event on the backside of the manzanos and our butts as we left ate fast as our truck would run.....

Hot hot hot hoooot....

It was one of many, hold my beer , watch this moments in a long career in EOD .....


31 posted on 12/03/2012 10:34:37 AM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: Squantos; Tijeras_Slim; hiredhand

Maybe you can get Slim to rub some salve on yer butt as you ain’t getting any help from me!


32 posted on 12/03/2012 11:55:00 AM PST by Eaker ( If a soldier demands that you carry his gear for a mile, carry it two miles.)
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To: Squantos

Was that before or after the AF tried to burn the East Mountains down?


33 posted on 12/03/2012 12:01:17 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: FreedomPoster
True, but the 76 MM in American shermans only showed up towards the end of the war, after most Shermans had the sh** shot out of them trying to fight off Panthers and Tigers(mostly Panthers, Tigers were actually kind of rare, comparatively speaking)with their pitiful 75 MM. The firefly came along a lot earlier. Took American Brass a long time to realize our gun wasn't cutting it. To be fair though, the M4 Sherman was actually on a par with the Mark IV Panzer, the main German battle tank when we entered the war in Africa, and was better than the Mark III. The Mark IV, with their long tube, high velocity 75 MM, was able to hit our tanks at a greater distance than the M4 could hit the Mark IV and do damage but other than that they were closely matched, except for the fact the Sherman blew up so easily.

I often wondered why they didn't put a 76 MM in the M24 since by that time they knew our 75 wasn't much good against the Mark V and Mark VI, and the M24 was supposed to be a tank killer(as originally visualized) with their high speed used for a getaway after firing.

Side note: Most of the Shermans used in Korea also had 75 MM tubes still in use and were slaughtered by the upgraded T34s the North Koreans and Chinese used. Fortunately we had the M26 and later the M46 tanks in play by then.

34 posted on 12/03/2012 12:15:51 PM PST by calex59
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To: Squantos

So you’re saying you’d like to do the same with 6E6# of powder?

;-P

Maybe not.


35 posted on 12/03/2012 1:16:22 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Tijeras_Slim; Eaker

After...thems wuz PJ’s trainees that done burnt yer side of the Manzanos....

We neve let a fire off our range. Amazing what a few ford 350 dulies doing doughnuts over a grass fire can do to put said fire out.

Drifting and fire fighting EOD style....

Why won’t Eaker rub burn ointment on our butts anymore ? You make him mad ?......:o)

Stay Safe ya’ll....nite !


36 posted on 12/03/2012 2:21:02 PM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: bgill; Revolting cat!; Slings and Arrows

37 posted on 12/03/2012 10:00:04 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: riverrunner

I recently switched back to black powder from modern powder and I was amazed that it was so easy to clean up. I use it in a cartridge rifle and after the shooting session I simply poured 4 cups of water down the barrel and dried it and it was squeaky clean. 30 seconds to clean. No 132.00 per gallon Hoppes, just cold tap water. What a pleasure.

I am experimenting with .45-70 loads now that use filler and if what I am hearing is true, the filler will go a long way to keeping the barrel unfouled. I may go to a .45-90 later on and use the additional room for filler and a nice plug of lube.


38 posted on 12/04/2012 7:04:38 AM PST by buffaloguy
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To: buffaloguy

You are right catridge arms are easer to clean then muzzle loaders.

I still shoot smokeless loads in my 45-70s.

I been using tripple 7 in my non smokeless muzzle loades cleans very easy to.


39 posted on 12/04/2012 7:13:08 AM PST by riverrunner
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Explosives plant clean-up disrupts Louisiana town

40 posted on 12/04/2012 7:35:26 AM PST by deport
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