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1 posted on 12/03/2012 8:24:06 AM PST by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

This is irresponsible. Tax bill do not originate in the Senate and the House should not bring up nor vote on any tax bill that originates in the Senate (even if the Senate would have to vote for it again to keep the constitutional illusion).

Instead, the House should pass an extension of ALL ratesand nothing else, send that to the senate, then adjourn (This would need to be done close to the end of the year since Obama has the power to call the House back into session). The Senate would then act or not act.

The republicans in the House of Representatives need to stop planning on playing games, and sieze that power that they hold, the power of the purse. They can starve the beast if they have the courage.


32 posted on 12/03/2012 8:57:32 AM PST by cotton1706
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It is about time they caught up with me: Time for Plan "T"
33 posted on 12/03/2012 8:58:45 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Happy 10th FR birthday to meeeeeeeeee)
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This is the equivalent of a game of tug of war where one side observes that the other is stacked with ringers and is going to pull them right into the mud. So the decide to just let go of the rope at the first pull, yell out “you win!” and let the other side fall on it’s @$$es.

I like it. Very similar also to the intentional walk in baseball. Especially the time(s) Babe Ruth (or maybe it was Gehrig?) was intentionally walked with the bases already loaded.


34 posted on 12/03/2012 8:58:50 AM PST by tanknetter
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I think we need to outlaw this voting “present” BS.


36 posted on 12/03/2012 9:01:08 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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Let the middle class continue to get its tax breaks. Leave the scheduled spending cuts alone, and let those happen.


37 posted on 12/03/2012 9:05:27 AM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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“to express disapproval at the failure to extend all tax cuts, would vote “present” on the bill, allowing it to pass entirely on Democratic votes. “

By voting present Republicans are TOTALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR PASSING IT!!!!


38 posted on 12/03/2012 9:06:28 AM PST by dalereed
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Under one variation of this Doomsday Plan, House Republicans would allow a vote on extending only the middle class tax cuts and Republicans, to express disapproval at the failure to extend all tax cuts, would vote "present" on the bill, allowing it to pass entirely on Democratic votes.

If even one Republican votes in favor of the bill, the Democrats will then say it passed with "bipartisan support" , allowing them to spread the blame around when the s*** hits the fan.

40 posted on 12/03/2012 9:07:24 AM PST by GreenHornet
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Sounds like a plan. Before this I thought these fools couldn’t strategize their way out of a wet paper sack.


45 posted on 12/03/2012 9:14:33 AM PST by Last Dakotan
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BTW, about one-tenth of the scheduled spending cuts are cuts in defense spending.


51 posted on 12/03/2012 9:24:23 AM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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Do it.


52 posted on 12/03/2012 9:26:05 AM PST by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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This would be excellent. Let the Rats win the battle but the GOP wins the war.


62 posted on 12/03/2012 9:35:33 AM PST by tobyhill
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******************NO**********************

We want tax cuts for EVERYBODY - not just certain groups or people.

We need to stop insulating people from their decisions. People need to start seeing how this stuff effects them personally.

But what do I know? I'm not nearly as wise as the smartest people in the room (even though the smartest people in the room can't win anything...)
63 posted on 12/03/2012 9:35:33 AM PST by Tzimisce (What do you do when every every branch of the government is corrupt and aligned against you?)
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The subject covered by Bill Whittle here in “Episode 20” — along with a lot of other good info.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/the-stratosphere-lounge


64 posted on 12/03/2012 9:38:21 AM PST by MayflowerMadam
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The question is:

If the Republicans all vote "Present," what will the Democrats do?

I maintain the Dems will not want the whole thing on their shoulders.

They will vote "No."

67 posted on 12/03/2012 9:46:47 AM PST by eCSMaster (2012 elections: American Coup d'etat!)
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Sounds like a plan. Reality - we don't have the nerve to let rates increase on everyone; this is a decent alternative politically.

Remember, if they do nothing more than this, the 2% increase in Soc Security withholding will hit everyone who has a job (going back to its traditional level, 2% holiday expires.) Likewise, the Obamacare tax is coming too and the AMT will still hit millions. If Obama wants it about one issue, let's have at it.

Then the fun will begin with the debt ceiling. 98% won't care anymore, getting their low taxes (well, as Romney noted, 47% don't care, they don't pay fed income taxes) and the GOP will have a little more leverage.

75 posted on 12/03/2012 10:12:39 AM PST by dan on the right
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Excellent and apparently what the American voters wanted - stalemate.

Until they’re offered something better.


83 posted on 12/03/2012 10:35:03 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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3 problems with this master plan:

-The Dems OWN Obamacare for the same reasons
-It is wildly unpopular
-Yet it did not seem to hurt them at the ballot box last month.


86 posted on 12/03/2012 10:50:16 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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If they vote “Present”,
Then I vote “Democrat”.
The Devil I Know.


94 posted on 12/03/2012 5:14:45 PM PST by Haiku Guy (If you have a right / To the service I provide / I must be your slave)
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