Skip to comments.Collecting Disability Becomes A Career Choice For Men (welcome to the Obama economy!)
Posted on 12/03/2012 2:54:35 PM PST by drewh
"It is exceptionally difficult for all practical purposes, impossible," writes Eberstadt, "for a medical professional to disprove a patient's claim that he or she is suffering from sad feelings or back pain."
In other words, many people are gaming or defrauding the system. This includes not only disability recipients but health care professionals, lawyers and others who run ads promising to get you disability benefits.
Between 1996 and 2011, the private sector generated 8.8 million new jobs, and 4.1 million people entered the disability rolls.
In 1960, some 455,000 workers were receiving disability payments. In 2011, the number was 8,600,000. In 1960, the percentage of the economically active 18-to-64 population receiving disability benefits was 0.65%. In 2010, it was 5.6%.
Some four decades ago, when I was a law clerk to a federal judge, I had occasion to read briefs in cases appealing denial of disability benefits. The Social Security Administration then seemed pretty strict in denying benefits in dubious cases. The courts were not much more openhanded.
Things have changed. Americans have grown healthier, and significantly lower numbers die before 65 than was the case a half-century ago. Nevertheless, the disability rolls have ballooned.
One reason is that the government seems to have gotten more openhanded with those claiming vague ailments. Eberstadt points out that in 1960, only one-fifth of disability benefits went to those with "mood disorders" and "musculoskeletal" problems. In 2011, nearly half of those on disability voiced such complaints.
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Don’t discount the role of lawyers in this. Take a look at daytime TV and you will see a steady stream of commercials from lawyers promising to get you the disability benefits you deserve.
the key is anxeity /depression claims/bad backs etc. the Obamaphone crowd is flooding the system with claims that cannot be proven or disproven by any physician
“You’ve paid into the system your entire working life. Now get the benefits you deserve! No fees until your case is settled.”
The America I grew up in is dead and gone. The way I see it, it's time to get back at least some of the tax dollars I flushed down the government toilet my whole working life. May as well get some back before the Democrat party base of moochers gobbles it all up. I mean, are we supposed to sit around watching the moochers game the system while we get up and go to work every day?
Screw it. Every man for himself.
Another arm of the Cloward-Piven strategy which the O Administration is engaged in to bring down the greatest country ever to grace the earth.
Obama Gave Us a Phone http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqHPZteJ7rI&feature=player_embedded
I say let’s let the whole damn thing collapse.
The government is SOLELY responsible. I hope they are watching their backs. Their days are numbered.
Does disability pay a “living wage”??
Can it put kids through college?
My knee hurts all the time, do I qualify?
They will get a lot more than they ever paid in.
Slot Machine Payout!
They have won life’s lottery when they get on disability
You can get disability from depression? Damn! I’m depressed every Monday morning when my alarm clock goes off. Where do I sign up?
Sounds like my ex-wife.
Yes to all three.
As a shrink, I briefly hired myself out years ago doing disability evals for SSDI via a company that managed such services. There was no pressure to declare someone disabled or not, just do an eval, but the work was still unpleasant. I disliked the ones who were trying to scam the system, as well as the difficulty in determining who they were based on a ludicrous set of eval questions we were required to present to them.
That was years ago, and now that I am in private practice it is a conflict of interest. My job as a physician is to diagnose and treat illness, not to get people government checks, whether they “deserve” them or not. It is always my goal to get people well, to return them or bring them to full functionality, or as close to it as possible. Psychiatrically, people are at their best when working, even if just bagging groceries or digging a ditch. Are there exceptions? Sure, but darn few.
In my intake paperwork I spell out what I do and don’t do in my practice. If someone wants to see me for a disability eval, I don’t see them because I don’t do such evals. I also find such patients poorly motivated to get well - because then they will end up loosing their monthly income and other benefits - and I only see patients who want to get well at this point in my career. Disability is a dead end on all levels. End of story.
If someone is an established patient of mine and wants disability, I explain that I will send records to the government or their attorney, but will not otherwise participate. If they go that route, especially if they are really not disabled in any significant way, I will almost always find a gentle way to transfer them on to a new provider, especially when their insurance changes. But it’s about much more than the money: at this stage in my career I only see people I want to see, and people I respect, and people I think I can help, and who want to get well, and not people who simply want to use me and my skills to further the welfare state and further the decline of our society, and defraud the taxpayers of this country, of which I am certainly one.
My rectum is bloody mess do i qualify?
Yes, I think that would definitely qualify as a disability but wouldn’t immediate hospitalization be more appropriate before you end up in boxes like those poor cadavers from the mountain top?
gonna do MY part to crash the system.... in style!
Hus had a 2nd spinal fusion a year ago, 6month recovery in back brace. Went to work for 8 days, his HR dept said it’s best if we put you on early retirement, long term disability. 25 yrs with the company and they let him go cause they couldn’t find a job he could do (can’t lift more then 20# rest of his life) as he has metal rod and screws in his back.
To get employer based long term disabiility you have to sign and agree to file for ss dis. We did last Jan. He has severe osteoporis, severe spondylisthesis, severe arthritis of spine, two total knee replacements, 30 skin cancer surgeries(non melanoma). He got denied. Ins comp gives you atty to file an appeal, which takes 12-18months. He is 54yrs ago, worked hard physically all his life. Never took a dime of welfare,etc. And he gets denied, while folks who claim to see cows chasing them, get approved.
Yeah, system sucks for those who worked and contributed and get denied...while the moochers and frauds get approved.....
I’m depressed. Gimme my money!
I have been feeling increasingly sad since Obama got re-elected. How much disability money can I get?
would like to add that he can’t it or stand for longer then half hour due to severe back pain. Now he has another surg in Jan to take out rods as he has even more pain then before. The rods after a while pull on the spine. He has a 50/50 chance of it working.
Sure looks like that happens a lot
Dude, you were warned to stay away from Folsom Street, San Fran
They can’t X-ray pain.
By 2016, 75% of the people will be parasites.
In a way this is a modern version of going Galt with a touch of Clowerd and Pivin added in. Going Galt in that you are not contributing to the looters, by becoming a looter. And, Clowerd and Pivin by contributing to overwhelming the system. It is the best of both worlds looting the looters and destroying the system that allows them to loot.
I've been feeling sad since November 6th.
Infinite causal nexus BOHICA!!!!!!
I’ve thought about it too.
I could probably get away with it, but I can’t bring myself to try. My little Jiminy Crickett always keeps me in line.
But, looking at the unfunded liabilities (about $100trillion, give or take, or the sum total of every asset of every American and corporation combined, or 5x the current total GDP of the entire economy - there are plenty of metrics and they’re all depressing), I’ve come to the conclusion that there’s no way we can ever meet those obligations. We are doomed. Inflating our way out will be an unmitigated disaster. We can’t possibly tax our way out. Short of perhaps replicating the expansion of the 1920s for the next century, which just isn’t going to happen, there’s just no way to avoid a collapse. Heck, we can’t even address the deficit, much less the debt, and the unfunded liabilities aren’t even a part of the conversation.
In light of all that, and the probability the crash will occur in my lifetime, and that, the more and harder I work, the more just gets taxed away, it’s pretty darned attractive to get paid to be a part of the problem - to help hasten the collapse so we can get on with the rebuilding. I could do a heckuva lot to prepare my family if I didn’t have to spend 40+ hours a week at a job.
It’s getting more and more difficult to convince myself that I’m not a sucker for playing by the rules, when I could be far better off exploiting the system, especially in the long run, and be in a better position to help restore our republic after it all goes to heck in a handbasket.
The previous company I worked for shut the doors and moved to China...Of the employees, 4 were brothers...
These guys all have families...Unemployment runs out...3 of the 4 are now on disability...
A guy has to keep his family going regardless of the route he has to take...This is a problem of our own doing...What do people expect these guys to do??? Just lay down and die???
Every week over 400,000 people lose their jobs in the U.S...Their jobs are still leaving the country...And every year, how many young people join the job market???
You can’t even buy a can of mushrooms that doesn’t come from China...
If we are not willing to bring work back to the U.S., somebody will have to support these people and it will be us...So why the whining??? Look at all the cheap stuff we can get at the Chinese Dollar Stores...
Very well said. I will probably be an easy “in” for disability within the next few years. I have always immediately dismissed the idea, instead planning how I will change my life to accommodate both my work and my illness. I don’t want to be “on the dole”.
But since America chose to embrace dependency and freebies and demonize success and hard work on November 6th, I have on occasion wondered about it. I will probably turn from wondering to serious consideration come next April when I get the call from the tax accountant telling me how much MORE I have to pay over what I’ve already paid in the last four quarters. To work hard and then fork over a big chunk of it to fund entitlement programs I’ll never benefit from and to support Obamaphones I’ll never use? Why bother anymore?
I know lots of people who work through the pain of debilitation, but if the job is gone, disability is all that is left. What new employer would hire an accident waiting to happen employee.
Why didn’t the company then put the employee on company disabiltiy retirement. Not being accepted by SS doesn’t equate to ability to work, it just means the employing company is responsible for all of the cost, not cost sharing with SS. But this is federal, not private so may be different.
Where do I begin? I've had 5 major back surgeries: the first when I was 20 years old, the second when I was 30 years old, the third when I was 40 years old, the fourth when I was 43 years old, and the fifth when I was 46 years old. (I'm 50 now.)
My third back surgery was so major, I have complete neuropathy in both feet from all the nerve damage. (Neuropathy = no feeling "numb" in both feet.)
I walk with a slight limp from all the surgeries. I've blown out my right knee and had that surgically repaired - twice.
My left hip is wearing out (from the limping, and added pressure on my left side from all the back surgeries.)
Add to this, I have a slight double-vision and a mild dyxlexia.
And yet, I get my ass up out of bed EVERY DAY and go to work and take care of my own family without a single dime of help from anyone.
I don't get EITC (Earned Income Tax Credit) or any disability payments of any kind. No food stamps, or government assistance of any kind.
Last year I paid a total of $57,962 in taxes. That includes all State, Federal and local property taxes, but does not include sales taxes for goods or services I buy over the year. You'd think someone paying that amount of taxes surely makes over $250k a year. I don't. Not even close. I don't even make $200k or $150k.
Someone tell me WHY someone like me not only cannot get DISABILITY, my taxes are going UP to pay for some welfare king & queen to keep mooching off of me!!!!
Makes me want to puke.
as someone whom has been disabled for 12 years, i can advise that everyone gets turned down once. keep filing
That's what it's all about...And it's only going to get worse...Far too many FReepers have said that American citizens don't have natural RIGHT to a job just because they're Americans...
Fine...Take their jobs away and then WE can support them...Simple as that...
True, but I feel a Tsunami building against all this... I hope I am right...
Try Benfotiamine (lipid-based vitamin B1) for the neuropathy. It’s historically been used for diabetics, but they’ve recently discovered it to be also effective for Vietnam vets with Agent Orange nerve damage. Cheap and no side effects.
Can you live on 20% or less of your current income?
Can it put kids through college?
Probably not. If your disability causes a financial hardship, they might qualify for grants or some scholarships. Count on taking out thousands of $ in student loans.
My knee hurts all the time, do I qualify?
I can guarantee you will be denied the first and probably second time. You will probably be denied altogether unless there are secondary symptoms and you have an aggressive lawer.
I'm currently taking Elevil (sp?) in the evenings along with two Melatonin to help me get to sleep, problem is I wake up after 3-4 hours from the burning/tingling in my feet. Very difficult to get a good nights rest with this. I've been battling the onset of neuropathy since about 32'ish .....
“The way I see it, it’s time to get back at least some of the tax dollars I flushed down the government toilet my whole working life.”
Wait until you’re 63 and work and pay until then and shut up!
I haven't filed, I assume I won't get it because I'm (gasp!) a White Urban Male and as such the Obama Government is hell bent on denying me ANYTHING.
The reality is, I wouldn't be able to survive on the paltry Disability payments I'd receive. While my house is paid for, I live in a high property tax state and still have two sons to put through college. I recently turned 50 and I plan on working and making as much money as I possibly can, for as long as I can.
When the day comes that I can't keep my balance without assistance, I'll get a walker.
When a walker no longer suffices, I'll get a wheelchair.
After that, who knows ... hopefully I'll be dead.
LOL, I am not far from 63, not far at all.
If they are white, yes. Something about making up for the legacy of past discrimination.
“What do people expect these guys to do??? Just lay down and die???”
Make your own way in this world or do just that, quit taking up space on this planet!!!!
You are eligible for Medicare coverage two years from your SSDI Application Date.
It isn’t just a monthly check, it’s a lifestyle.
Add in an EBT Card, Section 8 Housing and a free Obamaphone and you are set. Heck, some Cities give the “disabled” discounted or free Rapid Transit Passes.
Not a care in the world...
When I blew out my back the workers comp people told me that only 10% of people with my injury return to work. I couldn’t get off the floor for a month and the pain was worse than kidney stones by far. I was back at work in 10 months and would have been back sooner if they would have approved surgery right away rather than torturing me with assinine things like pain management and chiropractors.
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