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Wars of Independence: William Wallace
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Posted on 12/03/2012 5:43:07 PM PST by SoFloFreeper

'This is the truth I tell you: of all things freedom’s most fine. Never submit to live, my son, in the bonds of slavery entwined.’ William Wallace...

On 11th September Wallace and Murray achieved a stunning victory at the Battle of Stirling Bridge. The English left with 5,000 dead on the field, including their despised treasurer, Hugh Cressingham, whose flayed skin was taken as a trophy of victory and to make a belt for Wallace’s sword. The Scots suffered one significant casualty, Andrew Murray, who was badly wounded and died two months later.

'Commander of the Army of the Kingdom of Scotland’ - the outlaw Wallace was now knighted and made Guardian of Scotland in Balliol’s name at the forest kirk, at either Selkirk or Carluke.

It was a remarkable achievement for a mere knight to hold power over the nobles of Scotland. In a medieval world obsessed with hierarchy, Wallace’s extraordinary military success catapulted him to the top of the social ladder. He now guided Scottish policy. Letters were dispatched to Europe proclaiming Scotland’s renewed independence and he managed to obtain from the Papacy the appointment of the patriotic Bishop Lamberton to the vacant Bishopric of St Andrews.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: freedom; unity; williamwallace
I am watching Mel Gibson's portrayal of Wallace in "Braveheart" tonight...via Netflix streaming.

Though it is a Hollywoodized tale of the legend, it has had some fairly inspiring moments--teachable ones for those of us who are in the unenviable position of the poor Scots in this story.

One of the notable moments for me is when William Wallace is walking out over the bickering of his people. He says:

"We have beaten the English. But they'll come back, because you won't stand together!"

Freedom was important to Wallace...it should be important to us, too.

1 posted on 12/03/2012 5:43:11 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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2 posted on 12/03/2012 5:44:26 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

Scots always had a bad habit of fighting among themselves.


3 posted on 12/03/2012 5:46:58 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: yarddog

Kinda like conservatives.


4 posted on 12/03/2012 6:06:04 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: yarddog

Kinda like conservatives.


5 posted on 12/03/2012 6:07:03 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: SoFloFreeper

And today we willingly surrender our freedom for some free government cheese, obamacare and obamaphones...


6 posted on 12/03/2012 6:09:07 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: yarddog

I sailed with a Scot in the Bark Endeavour. Her comment: Mel Gibson as William Wallace? That’s a joke! That puny little sh!t couldn’t even lift Wallaces sword.


7 posted on 12/03/2012 6:11:37 PM PST by Chuckster (The longer I live the less I care about what you think.)
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To: Chuckster

When I was growing up, our local library had a huge and nice collection of Scottish armor and weapons. It had been collected by a guy named Bruce who was at one time the American Ambassador to Scotland. I have no idea when they started or stopped having one.

Anyway the armor was for fairly small people so Wallace at 6’4” must have been a giant among them. Those old swords were huge. I can remember thinking just how difficult they would have been to wield.


8 posted on 12/03/2012 6:24:57 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Things didn’t end so well for William Wallace, all the romanticism notwithstanding.


9 posted on 12/03/2012 6:29:37 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I need to watch that movie again. I love all of Gibson’s movies.


10 posted on 12/03/2012 6:35:46 PM PST by Gator113 (**WHO in the hell gave the damn order to NOT rescue our men in Benghazi?**)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Bannockburn


11 posted on 12/03/2012 6:40:41 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Chuckster
W.W. was supposedly a distant relative-the first castle he took was given to my ancestor ,who was said to be his cousin,who was one of the “gentle” Johnstones,who were written about by Sir walter Scott. The Johnstones were border reivers and were lowlanders and at their heighth of power owned 11 castles. One thing about Wallace-he was the real Robin Hood,according to some.
12 posted on 12/03/2012 6:45:44 PM PST by coalman (survived carter ,disco and clinton,just holding on till 2012)
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Yeah, they even "lampshaded" that in the movie, when the guy says that Gibson can't be Wallace, because William Wallace was seven feet tall.
13 posted on 12/03/2012 7:40:12 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: SoFloFreeper

To me, it is a true irony of history that, an American Movie, directed and starred by a transplanted Aussie, has done more to bring the smoldering Scottish Independence movement to the fore than almost anything else. William Wallace has to be laughing mightily while Eddie Longshanks must be muttering in his ale!


14 posted on 12/03/2012 8:05:06 PM PST by SES1066 (Government is NOT the reason for my existence but it is the road to our ruin!)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Wallace's statue is currently a perfect symbol for socialism


15 posted on 12/03/2012 8:34:30 PM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: IronJack

He died fighting for freedom and country. We are going down with a whimper


16 posted on 12/03/2012 8:41:47 PM PST by MattinNJ (Col. West in 2016!!!!!!!!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I am reminded of him a lot, especially when you see people like John Roberts, Mitt Romney and John McCain wimping out at the crucial moments. Wallace seems to have experienced a lot of that.


17 posted on 12/03/2012 10:47:57 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: SoFloFreeper

Very well said, SoFlo.

“Freedom was important to Wallace...it should be important to us, too.”


18 posted on 12/04/2012 4:55:25 AM PST by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Very well said, SoFlo.

“Freedom was important to Wallace...it should be important to us, too.”


19 posted on 12/04/2012 4:58:17 AM PST by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: MattinNJ

He died flat on his back with his entrails ripped from his body. While there’s certainly nobility in his cause, there’s none in the manner of his death. And he did not live to see Scotland free.


20 posted on 12/04/2012 5:06:23 AM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: IronJack

Yes, and if the legend in the film is correct, he screamed his last words loud enough for the king to hear him, “Freedom!”


21 posted on 12/04/2012 9:26:28 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

In all likelihood, the king was nowhere near the execution site in Smithfield. And Wallace’s last words were more probably something along the lines of “Ouch!”

But it’s his LIFE that’s important, not the details of his death. Leave glorious deaths to martyrs; we need LIVE soldiers.


22 posted on 12/04/2012 11:15:56 AM PST by IronJack (=)
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