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IT'S PARTY TIME! Third Party, that is, Tea Party, to be Exact!
examiner ^ | November 28, 2012 | By: Jeff Waller

Posted on 12/03/2012 10:00:10 PM PST by Mozilla

So, should conservatives remain in the GOP where they are, as a rule, ignored? Why should they? The argument has been made that the formation of a third political party, particularly one that draws from the GOP, would ensure that the Liberal Left will become more entrenched in government, and neither the GOP nor this third party will stand a chance of winning the White House for the foreseeable future.

Counter to this argument, conservatives say that it matters not when the GOP is but a shadow of the Democrat Party. Central to resistance for a Romney nomination was the feeling that Mitt Romney, a moderate, was naught but Obama-lite. Believers maintained that Mitt Romney had no real intention of completely repealing ObamaCare, since he was the author of similar legislation as governor.

Conservatives know that the GOP has abandoned its conservative policies. Recently, amid the discussions surrounding the "fiscal cliff", there is an apparent tendency with GOP representatives to bend to the wishes of the White House, with hardly an argument.

What is the answer? What can conservatives do to make themselves heard in a party that is ever more moderate? Answer: Not much, evidently! So, it's party time for conservatives in America!

A growing number of Tea Party Nation members are calling for the formation of a third political party, no matter the cost...no matter the consequence. We say that while we don't know what we'll get from such a move, we certainly know what we've had over the last two-and-a-half decades.

Even if it means the eventual demise of the GOP, the time for the formation of the Tea Party as a true political party in America has come!

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: republicans; secession; teaparty; thirdparty
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This is but a small part of a well written article that advocates abandoning the republican party and forming a new conservative tea party.
1 posted on 12/03/2012 10:00:24 PM PST by Mozilla
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To: Mozilla
This is pure political suicide.

More better we work to remake the GOP than to hand the Dems/Marxists/anti-colonialists the entire country.

BTW, I'm one who suspects that Mitt likely won the fair election; and that election fraud is what flipped the count. (No proof, just a strong, strong suspicion.)

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2 posted on 12/03/2012 10:06:11 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: Mozilla

We have four years to ready a party for 2016. The republican party is a partner in disaster with the democrats. We got here with two parties; only a third will get us out.


3 posted on 12/03/2012 10:12:31 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Seaplaner

“More better we work to remake the GOP than to hand the Dems/Marxists/anti-colonialists the entire country.”

It’s not going to happen... The GOP is not, on balance, a conservative party and it’s not going to be. The truth is that conservatives outnumber liberals. Some conservatives are in the republican party, some independent and some democrats.

The Tea party can draw from all three and become the dominant party.


4 posted on 12/03/2012 10:17:02 PM PST by babygene
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To: Seaplaner

I don’t think there’s that much difference...it’s going to take a MASSIVE amount of MONEY and some very strong individuals who are willing to step up and work their tails off no matter which option you prefer.

A third party may be no more suicidal than hoping to wrest control of the GOP away from the moderate/RINO/elitists.

Unless you have a plan for doing that - in which case I’m sure we’d all love to hear it.

And the same goes for the third party advocates. And your plan had better include a a way to raise at least $250 million, which is a fraction of what was spent failing to get registered Republicans to vote a month ago.


5 posted on 12/03/2012 10:20:31 PM PST by bigbob
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To: Mozilla

Forget about the Presidency......for the time being. Start small, start with city councils, mayors, state reps, even go for national congress if doable, but third parties often waste time and money by blowing their wad on a phony, publicity stunt run for the White House.

We need the regional party infrastructure in place for......


6 posted on 12/03/2012 10:22:28 PM PST by LifeComesFirst (http://rw-rebirth.blogspot.com/)
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To: Seaplaner

>>> This is pure political suicide. More better we work to remake the GOP than to hand the Dems/Marxists/anti-colonialists the entire country.

WHAT????

What the hell you think we just did here on Nov 6???

The GOP just DID hand the entire country over to to the dems.

2 straight elections in a row, against an illegitimate clearly muslim socialist anti-American.

If the GOP can’t handle Obama, then we need a new party.

We’ll worry about the chance of winning a presidential run when we get that far.

In the meantime, it looks to me to be the only way we can get the GOP’s attention is to leave.

The GOP is dead. It refuses to face the political reality that we are under attack from within.

Time to fight back. Sign me up... anywhere except the GOP.

I will start myself by re-registering as an independent.


7 posted on 12/03/2012 10:22:39 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: Seaplaner

You can’t remake something that is broke. The GOP in and of itself has deep seated establishment people in place that won’t go away silently or publicly.

1.The rule changes that gave the Establishment more power at the convention usurped the voices of the voters there who cried Nay.

2. They just pushed out key fiscal conservatives from the budget committees

3. they are pushing Jeb Bush or Rubio who is a lackey for Bush.

4. We just lost again with another moderate who all of the so called Republican pundits claim was the only one that could win

5. We have Republicans power brokers behind the scenes trashing our conservative leaders to the national media

What more can they do when some here will get the message -— they will destroy a conservative before they will attack one if their own democrat lite person


8 posted on 12/03/2012 10:23:51 PM PST by Bigtigermike
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To: Mozilla; All

Conservatives will eventually have to go Third Party for representation

A strong 3d party with conservatives would actually win elections...because the Dems and GOP would be splitting the liberal vote

Its time for a little political maturity from all...and realize...you are not going to change the GOPe


9 posted on 12/03/2012 10:24:56 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Illegal Aliens do not pay Social Security...Employers do)
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To: Mozilla

The Pauliban will spoil it. If you do, keep them out, they are all democrats...
flamesuit ON!


10 posted on 12/03/2012 10:25:57 PM PST by Fred (http://thebubblefilm.com/)
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To: Fred

Republicans have been getting elected for decades with democrats. Now it is they who get elected with Republicans.

The Tea Party was not composed of only conservatives and religious Right, but plenty of Libertarians and Democrat Libertarians unified with Tea Party.

Libertarians got rowdy, stood up and bothered to create a little chaos for the Establishment, in primaries, precincts, caucuses and at the Convention Rules Committee.

Failing to grow a storm with Libertarian allies inside the Republican Party sidelines a bunch of rigidly constitutional loving voters. Conservatives love the Constitution also, but for the parts where they don’t agree with it.


11 posted on 12/03/2012 10:47:11 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Seaplaner
This is pure political suicide.

This message brought to you by the GOP. (BTW: Mitt Romney was "The Only Candidate Who Can Win™". In 2016, it will be Jeb Bush's turn to be "The Only Candidate Who Can Win™".)

12 posted on 12/03/2012 10:51:49 PM PST by Washi
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To: Mozilla

Instead of abandoning the Republican Party right now, try this. Create a Tea Party Caucus (or a similar name) for those GOPers who don’t like the Boehner/Cantor/McCarthy ruling clique and want real change at the top.

Use this caucus to either sit out votes in Congress which the Republicans would normally win in the House, or just vote present. Let the Dems win a few at the expense of Boehner and company. Then see if he will give up the leadership of the House Republicans for someone who has a backbone.

Another tactic would be for just enough Tea Partiers to LEAVE the GOP, so that the vote count in the House would be even between the GOP and the Dems (or one short for the GOP).

Since the Dems are not going to come over to the Republicans on a vote, the Boehner group would NEED the Tea Party Caucus votes to pass anything, or even to survive the next two years as a viable force. They don’t like unemployment as much as any one. Too many perks to let go.

The Tea Party Caucus (TPC) would be the power-broker of the old GOP and the foundation force of a new, more conservative, principled GOP.

Call Boehner’s bluff. He hasn’t had any balls in the past, so wht makes you thing he’d suddenly grow a pair in the near future. Get rid of him any way you can. The GOP needs more than a house-cleaning. It needs a purge of the TOP.

And if you want to really hurt the House GOP, have the TPC vote with the Dems a few times on legislation. That would emasculate Boehner’s power like nothing else.

If you’re going to play hardball in politics, you need a very big bat, a very big cup, and the balls to use the bat to protect your balls, while knocking off those of your opponents.

To rewrite an old high school cheer from the 60’s.

The Tea Party has the spirit,
The Tea Party has the guts,
The Tea Party has Boehner by the nuts
Pull, team, pull!


13 posted on 12/03/2012 11:04:13 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Seaplaner
The GOP is become our generation's Judenrat for the enemy.

I guess you didn't read the news, or you are a party hack for the Establishment Collaborators.

Boehner, GOP Leaders Purge Conservatives from Committees

The GOP itself committed more than suicide by collaborating with the MarxoFascists- they may well be the arm that carries out genocide against Conservatives if history repeats itself.

14 posted on 12/03/2012 11:04:47 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Mozilla
You know that Gallup poll where 23% of Republicans had a positive view of Socialism?
http://www.gallup.com/poll/158978/democrats-republicans-diverge-capitalism-federal-gov.aspx
You know how in the Republican primaries Romney had a bottom floor support of 23%?
We need to find these people and kick their asses out of the party.
15 posted on 12/03/2012 11:06:32 PM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1

Oooh, I like your idea. Are they infiltrators, or a contingency of Romney supporters as socialist minded as he was?


16 posted on 12/03/2012 11:24:15 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: babygene

The truth is that conservatives outnumber liberals. Some conservatives are in the republican party, some independent and some democrats.

Really? Oh then we won the 2012 election.. It must have been a dream I had... I could have sworn that The leftist Marxist Obama won... There were allot of conservatives voting for Obama!!!


17 posted on 12/03/2012 11:43:37 PM PST by tallyhoe
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To: Washi

The Republican Party is no longer my party.


18 posted on 12/04/2012 1:04:38 AM PST by tommix2 (,)
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To: Mozilla

Give us Sarah Palin and Allen West, Cruz, Cuccinelli, Martinez and a few others and we are off to the races.


19 posted on 12/04/2012 1:46:56 AM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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To: Mozilla

Parties seem to be becoming OBSOLETE...
Leftist, leftist lite, leftist lighter, and leftist even more lite..
There seems NOT TO BE any right wing party at all.. anywhere...

One ideological bent all socialist..
Libertarians seem to have Political Tourettes...
They are given to logic until they go gaw-gaw.. eye-rolling drooling bananas.. sad really..


20 posted on 12/04/2012 1:58:45 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: MestaMachine
...Sarah Palin and Allen West, Cruz, Cuccinelli, Martinez...
Although I like these people, with the exception of Mr. West, they are not leaders, they are rock stars and we already have too many. That said, I would support a third party but the trick will be to avoid the traps the other "third" parties have fallen into. All the big money in the Dem/Rep parties attracts the credible candidates and the "off the wall" candidates end up with the third parties. Not sure how that can be prevented.
21 posted on 12/04/2012 3:40:34 AM PST by vet7279
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To: Mozilla

TEA Party for me now. Get your house in order GOP and maybe I’ll come back, maybe. But if you can’t even field a candidate and beat someone like hussein, with his obvious flaws and vulnerabilities on literally every issue... Then you, GOP, are either completely incompetent and or in bed with the rats. I’m done with you until you prove otherwise.


22 posted on 12/04/2012 4:30:32 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Seaplaner
More better we work to remake the GOP than to hand the Dems/Marxists/anti-colonialists the entire country.

Never again. Dole. McCain. Romney. The GOP is dead to me.

23 posted on 12/04/2012 4:39:06 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: babygene

Remake the GOP, where have I heard that before? The GOP won’t stop selling their big tent, they will lose again, so why not start a 3rd party now? Screw you people who claim suicide...we are already dead in case no one told you!


24 posted on 12/04/2012 4:39:38 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: Mozilla

We need to take a lesson from the Communist party. How many people actually thought that the democrat party could be so completely taken over as it has been?

The real problem lies in trying to compete with ‘FREE’ stuff which is resulting in the collapse of the entire system. Then we (Americans) will beg to be rebuilt by anyone offering more ‘FREE’ stuff, regardless the price.


25 posted on 12/04/2012 4:44:39 AM PST by Bob Buchholz
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To: Mozilla

I believe there are conservatives on both sides of the aisle waiting for true leadership. Lose “Tea Party” as that name has been derided by the lefties and taken over by undesirable elements of the right and in my opinion is not treated with proper respect by the media et al.

Simply call it the “Conservative Party”. By doing so conservatives of all stripes will join. Names have meaning.

How does one register as a Conservative?


26 posted on 12/04/2012 5:02:58 AM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: Mozilla

For some time I have said we need to throw ALL of the incumbents out and replace them with non-politicians. The problem is that once they are in office, they see how much money they can make and how much power they can get, and they soon become politicians. I have suggested to the Tea Party Patriots that they write a contract and have ALL people running for office sign it. It would state things like:

I will either introduce a bill, or vote for an existing bill that states the following:
(1) Each member of congress will serve a maximum of twelve years.
(2) Earmarks will be ended.
(3) Each bill will be voted on in the order it is introduced. It can be voted to delay the vote for later.
(4) Each bill will be voted on without any amendments added. The only one who can change the bill is/are the one/ones who introduced it. (This would end pork barrel amendments)
(5) The government will be funded by the numbers. Each agency, department, etc., will be given a number rating and funded from #1 down. The military will be the only #1.
(6) I will vote for the Fair Tax. (It has been introduced into the house and senate, but neither leader wants it, so they aren’t putting it our for a vote. One person in the house and one person in the senate decide if a bill is voted on. If you haven’t read about it, it voids ALL federal taxes and replaces them with a federal sales tax. You pay your taxes when you buy something. The rich pay more, because they buy higher priced goods. The illegals will pay it when they buy stuff. It won’t change the price of goods. What you pay $100 for before the Fair Tax is enacted, you will pay $100 for after it is enacted. http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer)

Others can be added. At the bottom it will say something like:

If I fail to do the above by ??-??-????, this will be my resignation, effective on that date.

If they don’t do as promised, they are out.

If you agree that this is a good way to get change in congress, contact the Tea Party Patriots and your local tea parties to write a contract for ALL politicians to sign before they run for office. This could also be done for state elections.


27 posted on 12/04/2012 5:05:42 AM PST by Smorgasbord
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To: Mozilla
In reference to the recent Republican presidential candidates.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. - Albert Einstein

28 posted on 12/04/2012 5:08:37 AM PST by McGruff (No New RINOs!)
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To: LifeComesFirst

Start Grass Roots—the House—state houses—city councils etc.. We have only two years to go before the congressional races. The Party Needs to be established NOW! Best bet is to drain away the best of the GOP Conservatives and publish an agenda. It will be a lightning rod of hate and anger from both established parties—as was the Tea Party. BUT it must offer something new and refreshing. Our Liberal Progressives will do our work for us by ramming things down the throats of the People. When things go south-—the Tea Party can come out of the shadows and win. BUT we must have brains and money on our side.


29 posted on 12/04/2012 5:25:59 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Mozilla

I do not believe the Republican party can be saved.

Not with people like McCain, Graham , and others running it.

Boehner is as useless as teats on a boar hog, He has been Speaker for a couple of years now and Nancy Pelosi is still running the House.

I am not leaving the Republican party , it has left me.


30 posted on 12/04/2012 6:00:56 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Mozilla
conservatives have become to the GOP what blacks, Jewish voters, gays and other branded special interest voters are to the democrat party

just taken for granted and told they have nowhere else to vote

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31 posted on 12/04/2012 6:03:44 AM PST by Elle Bee
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To: tallyhoe

“Really? Oh then we won the 2012 election.. It must have been a dream I had... I could have sworn that The leftist Marxist Obama won... There were allot of conservatives voting for Obama!!!”

Or not voting at all. Too bad we didn’t run a conservative candidate...


32 posted on 12/04/2012 6:08:03 AM PST by babygene
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To: Mozilla
The argument is getting a tremendous boost with the news that Speaker Boehner is purging fiscally sane folks (real conservatives) from the financial committees in the House.

My question for the past 2 years has been, is Boehner, incompetent or on the other side? Boehner is now answering that question.

And the RINO's are committing political suicide. The only question is, can the GOP be taken over by the Tea Party or does the Tea Party need push down the rotten door of the GOP and send it to the Whig heaven for failed political parties?

33 posted on 12/04/2012 7:27:13 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: Mozilla
This is STUPID!!!!! What is wrong with those here on FR who believe they can create a perfect, pure political party with sufficient numbers to ever win anything?

We already have about 40 "third parties", isn't that enough? If you can't make anyone of these work, another one certainly isn't going to do it.

Stop and think!!!!

34 posted on 12/04/2012 7:30:04 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: muir_redwoods

You have to be kidding. How do you propose to create a perfect party that can defeat the Democrat. Hey, if you have a viable plan, I’ll follow.


35 posted on 12/04/2012 7:31:51 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Seaplaner

This is pure political suicide.


The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over the same way and expecting a different result.

That is exactly what you are saying.

“We are going to fix the party...We are going to fix the party...We are going to fix the party...We are going to fix the party...We are going to fix the party...We are going to fix the party!

Take it for what it is but YOU AREN’T GOING TO FIX THE PARTY! It’s so corrupted by the elite within the system that there is no possibility of fixing it or having it grow some cajones. The lifers within the party are so far “in bed” with their cronies and special interests that it will never change. Each member of Congress is in it for themselves and the enriched lifestyle that comes with it. They could care less about the “little people.”

With each passing year the same mantra appears “we will fix the party.” With each passing year the Republicans lose more and more disenfranchised voters from their system and with each passing year they lose more and more elections.

“New blood” that comes to the party is either quashed by the elite or becomes corrupted by the system so that within a year or two, there is no “new blood” left in the party.

It’s time to go.......get them out of power and replace it with a party THAT FEARS THE VOTERS and will do their bidding.


36 posted on 12/04/2012 8:02:53 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Sorry, I’m not in the perfection business. As is painfully obvious though, is that the GOP is about as viable as the Whigs so some sort of conservative/constitutional/libertarian/traditional party will have to be invented if we’re going to have a chance to save this country without bloodshed. Frankly I’m not optimistic but when/if the shooting starts, I’d rather be on our side.


37 posted on 12/04/2012 8:06:47 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Mozilla

You can see why the GOP ignores it’s base. The rank-n-file will eat whatever they serve them.


38 posted on 12/04/2012 8:07:47 AM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: Mozilla; All






Can't you just imagine this was the scene with Obama and his Commie staff after stealing the election through voter fraud- while Conservatives blame Romney, argue, point fingers, blather on about forming a 'new party', who to run in 2016, and try to figure out how to suck up to minorities the 'next time'?



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Map from Barack Obama Voter Fraud 2012


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39 posted on 12/04/2012 8:22:24 AM PST by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN)
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To: Seaplaner

It hasn’t worked trying to fix the GOP. Some of our own tea party candidates have failed. Your point as the article said is one view, but the fact is that it has gotten even harder to fix the GOP as the establishment has doubled down and made it worse. It is not political suicide to me to try a new strategy. It is suicide to stay with the people who are doing nothing to save the country and that is the republicans establishment. The GOP could be fighting the fraud in the election, but they don’t even acknowledge it. Some fighters they are.


40 posted on 12/04/2012 8:24:12 AM PST by Mozilla
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To: LifeComesFirst

I agree, but we need to do more to win presidential elections that are winnable. But I agree we need to start small, but time is running out. Obamacare will be going into effect if we don’t stop it at a state level or cut it in the house. I trust more state representatives than the House to do something meaningful.


41 posted on 12/04/2012 8:28:38 AM PST by Mozilla
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To: Washi

If the so-cons or tea party can’t even come up with someone to beat Jeb Bush then why even talk about a third party?


42 posted on 12/04/2012 8:29:38 AM PST by Blackirish
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

They do have Tea Party Caucuses in both the House and Senate. Some of our tea party guys in the senate refused to join it because they had another conservative committee they felt was similar and they had too much on the plate. But they got about 6 or so members in the senate.

The house version is very active though. Michele Bachamnn runs the House Tea party caucus. The same Bachmann that many people on here trashed when she ran for president.

We can’t win with the infighting. We need the next primary to just have one conservative in the race because four or five will attack each other and split votes. And they all want to win and will hold out until it is too late to stop the rino from winning.

Jim DeMint runs the committee in the senate.


43 posted on 12/04/2012 8:38:59 AM PST by Mozilla
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To: Altura Ct.

Yeah the rank0n0file will claim you have to follow to GOP lock step or else when they could have fought the nomination of Romney more.


44 posted on 12/04/2012 8:46:51 AM PST by Mozilla
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To: Altura Ct.

Yeah the rank-n-file will claim you have to follow the GOP lock-step or else when they could have fought the nomination of Romney more.


45 posted on 12/04/2012 8:51:07 AM PST by Mozilla
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To: muir_redwoods

Y agree that it can be done if we have the will and the right backing. And then we can nominate a Allen West or a Sarah Palin instead of a John McCain or Mitt Romney or Jeb Bush, all leftists.


46 posted on 12/04/2012 8:57:26 AM PST by Mozilla
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To: Bigtigermike

The GOP is not the Republican party, it is the Bush party and I want no part of it. Count me in for a Tea Party.


47 posted on 12/04/2012 9:15:14 AM PST by jpsb
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To: Mozilla

We can’t win with the infighting.


So..............we just go along to get along do we? Well, that’s the poison that has killed the Republican party and now you suggest that we, like the Jews going into the boxcars, just quit fighting for what’s right and go along with the RINOs to the point that all of our freedoms have been compromised away to the enemy (Marxist Democrats) and we all lose?

No thank you, I know when milk has gone sour and the time to buy a new bottle.....and that time has come.


48 posted on 12/04/2012 9:33:10 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: babygene

Your not going to garner extra votes in Eastern States with more conservative candidates you will actually lose votes and with the third party candidate you will just split the vote and it is going to be hard getting candidates on the ballots in allot of the states! Ronald Reagan would have a hard time winning now with the MSM in the bag for the Democrats..


49 posted on 12/04/2012 9:57:26 AM PST by tallyhoe
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To: tallyhoe

” Eastern States with more conservative candidates you will actually lose votes and with the third party candidate you will just split the vote and it is going to be hard getting candidates on the ballots in allot of the states!”

Your not going to win the northeast states anyway. Plus, many current House and Senate members would probably switch parties to the Tea Party giving it a jump start.


50 posted on 12/04/2012 10:07:38 AM PST by babygene
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