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Obama and Israel: Carom Shot?
National Review ^ | 12/4/12 | Elliott Abrams

Posted on 12/04/2012 7:55:45 AM PST by Nachum

The Israeli press is reporting that “The United States was behind the summoning of Israeli ambassadors by several European nations, Israeli sources with close ties to US administration officials said Monday. ‘The European move is essentially an American move,’ one official said. ‘The Brits asked the Americans how to act.’” The same story quotes an Israeli official saying “The Europeans got the green light to respond with extreme measures . . .”

No proof is offered and proof in these circumstances will be hard to produce. But the story has a great deal of logic behind it. The Obama administration has denounced the Israeli decision to build several thousand additional housing units in Jerusalem and the West Bank. In my experience, when we distance ourselves from Israel the Europeans distance themselves more; when we criticize Israel, they double down and criticize more, and more harshly. Is there any sport that most European foreign ministries enjoy more than denouncing what they view as Israeli aggression, expansion, discrimination, persecution? If they perceive the dimmest green light from Washington, they are off to the races.

The White House will be more restrained, at least in public. In private, the real emotions about Prime Minister Netanyahu and the government of Israel emerge, as they did last weekend in widely reported remarks by Rahm Emanuel to the U.S.-Israel policy conference called the Saban Forum. (Yes, the mayor of Chicago is no longer White House chief of staff, but literally no one believes his remarks were distant from the opinions of his former boss.) One can just imagine what is being said to egg on the Europeans.

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TOPICS: Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: carom; israel; obama; shot
Painting the target
1 posted on 12/04/2012 7:55:51 AM PST by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

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2 posted on 12/04/2012 7:59:36 AM PST by Nachum (The List is off the Google blacklist- www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


3 posted on 12/04/2012 8:00:39 AM PST by Nachum (The List is off the Google blacklist- www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

YEP


4 posted on 12/04/2012 8:07:53 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: Nachum

The One “summoned”, and now they ask his opinion before acting.


5 posted on 12/04/2012 8:08:30 AM PST by sarasota
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To: Nachum

And Mayor Emmanuel acting in concert on behalf of the Power of Cook County.


6 posted on 12/04/2012 8:10:39 AM PST by sarasota
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To: Nachum

bump


7 posted on 12/04/2012 8:12:02 AM PST by RoosterRedux (He will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats)
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To: Nachum

Not to mention the Obama Admin scheming to get rid of Netanyahu in the upcoming elections


8 posted on 12/04/2012 8:14:50 AM PST by dennisw (With age comes wisdom.)
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To: Nachum

Europeans as a whole, loathe and despise the Jews who were so much a part of their national fabrics for centuries before the formation of the nation of Israel in 1948, and thought themselves well rid of those Jews who had not been sent to extermination camps, by displacing them to Israel.

Actually, this became the formal end to the diaspora that had been directed at the Jewish people a couple of millennia before. Wherever they went, Jews were treated as second-class, and little more than servants in many walks of life. But there were legions who broke out of the constraints of the societies into which they were born, and managed, by sheer dint of will, to enter and excel at many professions and busimess enterprises, eventually becoming the “bankers of Europe”, putting up funds for various princes or kings to undertake enterprises of their own. On many occasions these banking houses would be funding BOTH sides of a border conflict, not because they wanted one side or the other to win out permanently, but because kings and princes had such magnified egos, they did not question the sources of the funding for the wars in which they engaged, which was ultimately quite profitable for the banking house.

Because of these banking houses, “money-grubbing Jew banker” became the stereotype for ALL Judaism, whether the simple common Jew was part of it or not. Most of these more modest Jews thought themselves to be good subjects of the country of their nativity, and honestly believed in its aims and objectives as congruent with their own. But the great breakdown of the economic order following the First World War sent the defeated countries scurrying for a scapegoat, and as the citizen Jews looked a lot like the anarchistic Jews and the wealthy remote heads of banking houses, and were also much easier to capture and hold, the wrath of virtually all of Europe was turned on the resident Jewish populations, almost as strongly in Poland and France as it was in Germany. Less publicized, but just a virulent, was the anti-Jewish sentiment in what became Bolshevik Russia, where even under the Czars, the Jewish minority had suffered endless persecution. Stalin turned them into a slave race, their very existence dependent on his whim.

This last is surprising, in that a good many of the theorists that expanded and developed the International Communist movement were themselves Jews, though not religious practicing members of that community, but thoroughly secular. This cadre probably worked as hard to place their fellow Jews and many times, blood relatives, as much under the Soviet yoke, as the most militant of Cossacks. But by running under such protective coloration, they could and did penetrate much further into other nations as “refugees”, including the United States, thus the great number of Russian Jews in this country who are predisposed to the spread and adoption of Communist rule.

Communism has diminished, but it has been replaced by Islamic militant jihadists, and curiously enough, there is a strong appeal to the Europeans for this new movement, in no small part because of the invasive occupation of European countries with the Muslim minorities.

The Europeans had always held contempt for the Jewish people, and here, suddenly there was a whole new population in their midst that shared their fear and loathing of the Jews.

The rest of the equation is easy.


9 posted on 12/04/2012 8:43:06 AM PST by alloysteel (Bronco Bama - the cowboy who whooped up and widened the stampede.)
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To: alloysteel
in no small part because of the invasive occupation of European countries with the Muslim minorities.

They won't be minorities long. Demographic trends in Europe are patently clear. Indigenous populations, through birth control, abortion, and choice are rapidly reaching negative population growth. At the same time, Muslims are immigrating to Europe in greater numbers than before and they are reproducing like bunnies.

Eurabia is just a matter of time.

10 posted on 12/04/2012 9:25:37 AM PST by newheart (The greatest trick the left ever pulled was convincing the world it was not a religion.)
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To: Nachum

Hope all Israeli Ambassadors were briefed on the message to be returned to BO!

“Please tell your puppet master that we see his hand in this.”


11 posted on 12/04/2012 9:43:24 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Nachum

Of course. Israel is in the way of the new world Islamicist caliphate obama is trying to build.


12 posted on 12/04/2012 9:46:45 AM PST by faithhopecharity (--)
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To: newheart; alloysteel; Nachum
“Eurabia is just a matter of time.”

The complete Muslimization of Europe, short of a miracle, will be achieved within a generation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

13 posted on 12/04/2012 9:51:03 AM PST by 444Flyer
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To: dennisw

They may connive a way to have Bebe voted out, but they’ll still have the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel to deal with.

And as the late Evangelist Oliver B. Greene from Greenville, SC used to say, “I’d rather stand on a mountaintop and play with forked lightning than to ever do anything hurtful to the Nation of Israel!”


14 posted on 12/04/2012 3:55:54 PM PST by Tucker39
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To: Tucker39

God willing!!!
Hashem willing for me !!!


15 posted on 12/04/2012 4:02:13 PM PST by dennisw (With age comes wisdom.)
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To: alloysteel; Cronos; rmlew; Eleutheria5

“This last is surprising, in that a good many of the theorists that expanded and developed the International Communist movement were themselves Jews,”

Oh enough already, with your “surprising”.

You and Cronos, happy to show how Jews really weren’t dominant in communism, but just involved enough to whet the nazi trolls here.

/vomiting.


16 posted on 12/04/2012 8:28:34 PM PST by Yehuda
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To: Nachum; All

12/4/12

“Israel accuses US of backing European settlement backlash”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/9722259/Israel-accuses-US-of-backing-European-settlement-backlash.html


17 posted on 12/04/2012 9:46:35 PM PST by 444Flyer
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To: alloysteel
Wherever they went, Jews were treated as second-class, and little more than servants in many walks of life

Incorrect.

In Kerala in southern india Jews have been there since 300 BC or so and were never treated as second-class citizens, leave along servants

Also, note that the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth, while not up to the same standard of welcoming as Kerala, did invite Jews in and granted them equal rights -- in fact more, because they were under personal protection of the King.

18 posted on 12/05/2012 1:07:45 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: alloysteel
But the great breakdown of the economic order following the First World War sent the defeated countries scurrying for a scapegoat, and as the citizen Jews looked a lot like the anarchistic Jews and the wealthy remote heads of banking houses, and were also much easier to capture and hold, the wrath of virtually all of Europe was turned on the resident Jewish populations, almost as strongly in Poland and France as it was in Germany.

true -- and in England too.

19 posted on 12/05/2012 1:09:03 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: alloysteel
Less publicized, but just a virulent, was the anti-Jewish sentiment in what became Bolshevik Russia, where even under the Czars, the Jewish minority had suffered endless persecution. Stalin turned them into a slave race, their very existence dependent on his whim.

Not completely true. Under the Czars the Jews had suffered endless persecution, but under STalin, they were not treated any worse than Stalin treated Russians or Poles or even his own Georgians -- the Bolshevik system advocated demicide just as much as the Nazi system advocated the genocide of Jews and Gypsies

20 posted on 12/05/2012 1:10:24 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: alloysteel; Yehuda
This last is surprising, in that a good many of the theorists that expanded and developed the International Communist movement were themselves Jews, though not religious practicing members of that community, but thoroughly secular. -- alloysteel, it would be better to call them of part Jewish origin as most were partly of Jewish origin, and all were atheists and/or initially belonging to other faiths before becoming atheists

The Nazi trolls who claim that Jews were leading lights in this are false and do not see the whole picture -- how Jews were persecuted before this and with the rise of nationalism saw communism as one path -- the other paths being integration and the other being migration to Israel and the last being "let's keep things the way they were"

If a Nazi troll reads this, they must see the entire picture

I see no point in denying this, just as much as I see no point in denying that there were blood thirsty communists of every ethnicity -- blaming one is provably historically inaccurate.

21 posted on 12/05/2012 1:17:06 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: alloysteel; Yehuda
Yehuda -- I really don't see why we should not talk about the basics behind this instead of letting the neo-Nazis talk behind closed doors and give their one sided stories

Let me give you an example -- when I lived in the UK there were many who had pretty heavy duty anti-American sentiments who would not talk about it if they knew I was American

The best way to combat such ideas was not to hide the topic but to confront it head-on with the FACTS.

In most cases this stopped many cold in their tracks, in all cases, those around me changed their views or at least moderated their anti-Americanisms

I see the same with the anti-Semites. Most will hide and swap lies in the dark knowing that the topic is taboo and they never see the truth, never see both sides

We bring the story out and show all sides and show them that their lies or even worse half-truths are just "Half"

Take the example of Trotsky and the Rothschilds -- one can hear about these as "proof", yet one must also be shown the poverty in the shtetls, the facts that the % of Jews in the communist party while above their % in society as a whole was by no means a majority or even a dominating minority

Shine the light on the lies and show the whole truth to people who have only seen the half-truth and you will get less anti-Semites

22 posted on 12/05/2012 1:40:43 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Yehuda

Vladimir Ilych Lenin, Tartar, has Leon Trotsky, Jewish, murdered with an axe in Mexico. Joseph Stalin, Georgian, attempts to invent a “doctor’s scandal” to foment anti-Jewish violence in 1950, shortly before his death. Don’t know what date, but some time after 1927, the Yevsektsia, a Jewish faction devoted to aggressive, militant secularization, is purged. I think Jewish influence in the USSR was very much on the wane very early on, if it ever was ascendant.


23 posted on 12/05/2012 5:26:52 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Cronos

“Cronos — I really don’t see why we should not talk about the basics behind this instead of letting the Polish apologists talk behind closed doors and give their one sided stories”

I think every time you post you must include a few paragraphs about the hundreds of thousands of pole who h participated in the pogroms, who helped the nazis and who later worked with the communists.

EVERY TIME YOU POST ANYTHING, you must acknowledged it otherwise it will be undiscussed, and not enough people will be discussing it.

After all, it appears to be in the polish blood to kill Jews, to help nazis, and to work with communists.

LETS KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE POLES, OK, EVERY DAY.


24 posted on 12/05/2012 8:45:45 AM PST by Yehuda
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To: alloysteel
This last is surprising, in that a good many of the theorists that expanded and developed the International Communist movement were themselves Jews, though not religious practicing members of that community, but thoroughly secular. This cadre probably worked as hard to place their fellow Jews and many times, blood relatives, as much under the Soviet yoke, as the most militant of Cossacks. But by running under such protective coloration, they could and did penetrate much further into other nations as “refugees”, including the United States, thus the great number of Russian Jews in this country who are predisposed to the spread and adoption of Communist rule.
No communist is religious. Or rather, communism as an atheist religion, one dedicated to destroying Judaism and Jewishness. Few American Jews supported communism. Few European Jews supported communism. Socialism is another matter. Socialism was well supported by poor European immigrants, as well as many progressive WASPs.
25 posted on 12/05/2012 11:02:36 AM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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My statement was “I really don’t see why we should not talk about the basics behind this instead of letting the neo-Nazis talk behind closed doors and give their one sided stories”

As I've said before, I'm not Polish by ethnicity or by nationality, so your little attempts at barbs fail

however, your attitude is precisely what will feed anti-semitic attitudes when you post a lie about "hundreds of thousands" -- that exaggerated number is every bit a lit as the myth of Judeo-Bolshevism

Each time some one makes a "hundreds of thousands" statement, it causes people who have no feelings about the topic one way or the other get riled up and then build anti-s attitudes -- so if you want your argument, stick to the facts

After all, it appears to be in the polish blood to kill Jews, to help nazis, and to work with communists. -- congratulations, Yehuda, you've right now caused every person of Polish blood to get the impression that you are blaming them for everything.

do you realise that with statements like that you are building anti-semitism?

you want to keep doing that, go ahead

I seek to point out the lies in blaming Jews for communism and you are getting hysterical and seeking to build up anti-semitism instead of demolishing it by shining the light of the truth on it?

Read rmlew's statement Socialism was well supported by poor European immigrants and this is a clear indicator of why Eastern European Jews AND Poles AND Ukrainians etc. supported socialism -- the history behind this is clear -- Eastern Europe was under the crushing autocracy of the Tsars and the "Socialism" of the 1800s was not the "socialism" that we see today, but more a reaction against autocracy

26 posted on 12/05/2012 12:05:38 PM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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Let's see the difference in my post, alloysteels and yours:

alloysteel But there were legions who broke out of the constraints of the societies into which they were born, and managed, by sheer dint of will, to enter and excel at many professions and busimess enterprises, eventually becoming the “bankers of Europe”,....Because of these banking houses, “money-grubbing Jew banker” became the stereotype for ALL Judaism, whether the simple common Jew was part of it or not. and This last is surprising, in that a good many of the theorists that expanded and developed the International Communist movement were themselves Jews, though not religious practicing members of that community, but thoroughly secular.

Both statements are factual -- Jews were forced into banking as they could not own land and were forbidden from much trades. He is also giving the historical facts behind why they were FORCED into what they were later stereotyped for

and my post saying The Nazi trolls who claim that Jews were leading lights in this are false and do not see the whole picture -- how Jews were persecuted before this and with the rise of nationalism saw communism as one path and Take the example of Trotsky and the Rothschilds -- one can hear about these as "proof", yet one must also be shown the poverty in the shtetls, the facts that the % of Jews in the communist party while above their % in society as a whole was by no means a majority or even a dominating minority

Shine the light on the lies and show the whole truth to people who have only seen the half-truth and you will get less anti-Semites

and let's see your statement it appears to be in the polish blood to kill Jews, to help nazis, and to work with communists. --

What is this, a kind of reverse blood libel?

I see this as just a stupid way of creating or increasing anti-semitic feeling. It's like you are telling every person of Polish blood that you consider them genetically criminal. Your post is then going to build up a counter-reaction and then another build-up on both sides

Quit it -- you want to talk about the facts of Polish anti-semitism, let's do that, where are your facts for your "hundreds of thousands"? where is your proof for "it's in polish blood to kill Jews, help nazis"?

Are you saying that the Poles inviting Jews to live among them for 500 years is false? Are you seriously trying to build up anti-semitism?

27 posted on 12/05/2012 12:15:59 PM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos

“Are you seriously trying to build up anti-semitism? “

ARE YOU???????

You’re the GENIUS who insists on re-discussing Jewish involvement in communism, albeit by “reminding” us it wasn’t as bad as everyone says.

SCREW YOU.

You are either a double JACKASS keeping the subject in view, or your are an illiterate moron who does not understand the concept of language as virus.

So either way, LETS KEEP TALKING ABOUT POLES SLAUGHTERING JEWS, WORKING WITH THE NAZIS, AND WITH THE COMMUNISTS.

Lets debate the numbers, MAYBE, as YOU SAY, (but who the hell are you anyway), it was not as many Poles as SOME PEOPLE SAY, after all, AS YOU SAY, some Poles welcomed the Jews,

IN BETWEEN SLAUGHTERING THEM.

But, we will remind everybody, EVERY TIME we discuss POLES SLAUGHTERING JEWS FOR CENTURIES, that it was probably not as bad as other people say...

OKAY, YOU GET IT NOW, GENIUS?

Or do you want to keep doing this BS while your nazi friends pat you on the back for BEING THEIR DUPE.


28 posted on 12/06/2012 9:54:54 PM PST by Yehuda
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