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Riot act read to school censoring 1st grader's poem
WorldNetDaily ^ | December 4, 2012 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 12/04/2012 8:03:48 AM PST by wesagain

"Girl's verse commemorating grandfather's military service included the word "God"

A school district in North Carolina has been given a deadline to affirm that it will not censor a student’s speech, or a legal team assembled by the Alliance Defending Freedom will seek a “remedy” to the problem.

The issue arose several days ago when the school district told a first-grade student that a poem commemorating her grandfathers’ military service could not include the word “God,” because one member of the community didn’t like it.

But in a letter sent from ADF to the McDowell County Schools in Marion, N.C., the lawyers pointed out that the censorship “was a violation of her First Amendment rights.”

“A first-grader at the school was told that she had to remove references to ‘God’ in a poem she wrote to honor her grandfathers’ service to our country during the Vietnam War,” the letter said. “In her poem, she had included the lines ‘He prayed to God for peace, he prayed to God for strength,’ to describe the historical actions of her grandfathers during the war. However, after a community member complained about the inclusion of the student’s poem in a Veteran’s Day Ceremony, the school forced her to remove the lines.”

ADF told the school it’s .....

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1 posted on 12/04/2012 8:03:51 AM PST by wesagain
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To: wesagain
It should be worth noting that two of the greatest supporters of the "indoctrination centers" also known as the public school system were atheists Adolph Hitler and the worthless POS named John Dewey.

The Truth about American Education Hero John Dewey

2 posted on 12/04/2012 8:09:39 AM PST by wesagain (The God (Elohim) of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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To: wesagain

“One member didn’t like it.” The Athenians had the “ostracism” for just such members.


3 posted on 12/04/2012 8:15:25 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: wesagain

http://www.hickoryrecord.com/mcdowell_news/news/article_4565e818-3d9c-11e2-a9af-001a4bcf6878.html

Pastors, public speak out on West Marion’s ‘God’ issue

The story from the local paper in Marion.


4 posted on 12/04/2012 8:15:50 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: wesagain
It should be worth noting that two of the greatest supporters of the "indoctrination centers" also known as the public school system were atheists Adolph Hitler and the worthless POS named John Dewey.

Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and John Adams were also strong advocates and supporters.

5 posted on 12/04/2012 8:16:13 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: wesagain
“A first-grader at the school was told that she had to remove references to ‘God’ in a poem she wrote to honor her grandfathers’ service to our country during the Vietnam War,” the letter said. “In her poem, she had included the lines ‘He prayed to God for peace, he prayed to God for strength,’ to describe the historical actions of her grandfathers during the war. However, after a community member complained about the inclusion of the student’s poem in a Veteran’s Day Ceremony, the school forced her to remove the lines.”

Jane Fonda? Is that you?

Didn't the character Syme in Orwell's 1984 have a similar problem, lamenting how few state-approved rhymes there were which could be used to substitute for the state-sanctioned "God" in their bowlderized versions of classic poems?

Regards,

6 posted on 12/04/2012 8:20:54 AM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: wesagain
He prayed to God for peace, he prayed to God for strength,

For a first-grader, she writes well.

7 posted on 12/04/2012 8:41:10 AM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: verga

>>It should be worth noting that two of the greatest supporters of the “indoctrination centers” also known as the public school system were atheists Adolph Hitler and the worthless POS named John Dewey.
>
>Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and John Adams were also strong advocates and supporters.

There is a world of difference between the two, even if they both could be termed ‘public education,’ and that difference is illustrated here: the one cannot stand any dissenting or differing, while the other affords liberty and freedom to think as you will.


8 posted on 12/04/2012 8:43:47 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: wesagain
‘He prayed to God for peace, he prayed to God for strength,’

This first grader has more wisdom than all the Liberal-Socialists in America--in the world for that matter. I pray God continues to give her peace and strength.
9 posted on 12/04/2012 8:50:20 AM PST by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: wesagain
However, after a community member complained about the inclusion of the student’s poem in a Veteran’s Day Ceremony, the school forced her to remove the lines.”

These frakkin' cowards need to be named and identified. If they are bold enough to speak out against something that offends them they should have the courage of their convictions and not hide behind administrative anonymity.

I'd be willing to bet these types of stories would disappear and become a rarity.

Either that or they should be told, "Your objection is noted. Now go and get 51% of the community to agree with you and speak out with you. Then we will consider your suggestions. Not before."

10 posted on 12/04/2012 8:57:05 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.)
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To: wesagain

If I had unlimited funds and the time to pursue legal action I would respond to these sorts of moves by demanding the removal of the Word “dog” from all scholastic material. I was bitten by a dog once and feel the word is harmful to young minds.

If these nitwits can remove the word “God” I can demand the same letters be removed for my comfort.


11 posted on 12/04/2012 9:01:17 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: wesagain

A first grader is writing poems? I have my doubts about that.


12 posted on 12/04/2012 9:01:17 AM PST by Fresh Wind
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

These “un-named” types are very brave against 6 year olds.


13 posted on 12/04/2012 9:17:56 AM PST by wesagain (The God (Elohim) of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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To: Fresh Wind

I recall my entire first grade class writing poems. Not all of them were good, but some were.


14 posted on 12/04/2012 9:24:11 AM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: wesagain

I would never subject a child to the indoctrination at the Government schools..


15 posted on 12/04/2012 9:27:28 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

So... let’s pretend there is a separation of church and state.....

they are trying to say that this child is a state or a church?


16 posted on 12/04/2012 9:39:01 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: OneWingedShark
There is a world of difference between the two, even if they both could be termed ‘public education,’ and that difference is illustrated here: the one cannot stand any dissenting or differing, while the other affords liberty and freedom to think as you will.

It is too bad that people refuse to get involved and get back to the way it used to be.

17 posted on 12/04/2012 9:40:47 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: alexander_busek; Morgana

a conservative majority can’t get the smut out of the curriculum but one “community member” gets a heckler’s veto of a little childs speech?

does this make any sense??


18 posted on 12/04/2012 9:43:59 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

Good for you.....I believe they are the “Whores of Babylon”.....get thee out of them!


19 posted on 12/04/2012 9:44:25 AM PST by wesagain (The God (Elohim) of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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To: wesagain

I could see this happening in Durham or Cary, but Marion? Give me a break!

I guess it is definite: the NEA political correctness has penetrated the quiet little communities of the Bible Belt.

I work in McDowell County, but live elsewhere, and our kids are all grown & married. Otherwise, I’d be asking for a meeting with Dr. Gerri Martin & Mrs. Desarae Kirkpatrick.


20 posted on 12/04/2012 10:00:29 AM PST by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: wesagain

Particularly infuriating is the school’s note that it has assigned multiple attorneys to this case, plus teachers and administrators. Hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars of OUR MONEY being spend by these people to help Obama “fundamentally transform” the U.S.


21 posted on 12/04/2012 10:07:04 AM PST by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

51%? I don’t care if it’s 100% minus her. If that’s her faith, and she wants to express it in her commemorative poem, that’s her RIGHT.

The administrators who censored her should be compelled to write a comprehensive essay on “offense, tolerance and diversity”.


22 posted on 12/04/2012 10:22:42 AM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: wesagain

This is the 2nd article in a few days about Foothills educators
in NC being incredibly stupid.

The other article was about a community college admin wanting
“Men at work” signs removed from the campus due to diversity issues.

I hope the liberalism of Asheville isn’t seeping of mountains.


23 posted on 12/04/2012 10:27:33 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: Rebelbase

Edit: I hope the liberalism of Asheville isn’t seeping OUT of mountains


24 posted on 12/04/2012 10:28:29 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: BwanaNdege

I’d like to have a meeting with some of these people out behind the shed sometime, if you get my drift.


25 posted on 12/04/2012 10:28:46 AM PST by wesagain (The God (Elohim) of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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To: wesagain

As usual, the press’ account identifies the guilty party as the “school district”. I want to know exactly who in the school district made the decision, who approved the decision, who actually told the school to have the poem revised, and who at the school didn’t have the guts to tell the “school district” to go to hell. I also want to know exactly which member of the community made the initial complaint, or was that just a slick alias the “school district” used to justify making that call.

This state used to be full of very conservative people, mostly Democrats, but conservative. Somewhere along the way the communists and other assorted socialists decided to hide out from McCarthy by becoming Democrats. They even picked a new description for themselves so they wouldn’t be confused with the original conservative base. They became Progressives and under cover of party affiliation they took over control of most school operations, from the state down to local districts. It’s just sad that there are still so many hard heads around who keep voting them in, year after year, and never bother to look at what they are doing to the state.


26 posted on 12/04/2012 10:37:47 AM PST by jstaff
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To: wesagain
The issue arose several days ago when the school district told a first-grade student that a poem commemorating her grandfathers’ military service could not include the word “God,” because one member of the community didn’t like it.

Just goes to show you that I'm getting really old. I remember an America when the MAJORITY ruled, NOT the minority!!
The attack on Christianity and religion, in general, by soulless liberals is increasing. That tells me that we need to "cling to our guns and religion" even tighter and FIGHT BACK!!!!

This is disgusting.

27 posted on 12/04/2012 10:39:06 AM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: verga

>> It is too bad that people refuse to get involved and get back to the way it used to be.

It seems to me that life/society seems to be blasting away every attempt to correct with “you can’t do anything.”


28 posted on 12/04/2012 10:39:38 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: ctdonath2

The retort I posted was intended only to get rid of the offending twit. When the nitwit returns, other suggestions can be thrown out in order for any consideration of the nitwits proposal. Keep making them jump through hoops. It’s a sort of forced education process. Negative reinforcement if you will.


29 posted on 12/04/2012 10:52:03 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.)
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To: DustyMoment

If 49% of the community object to handing out condoms they would be ignored and ridiculed!!

But one guy can quash the speech a little child during non-school hours?


30 posted on 12/04/2012 10:53:05 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: DustyMoment

If 49% of the community object to handing out condoms they would be ignored and ridiculed!!

But one guy can quash the speech a little child during non-school hours?

I am still trying to determine, from their POV, whether the little girl is a state or a church.


31 posted on 12/04/2012 10:55:15 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Fresh Wind

Even if she got help...it’s the spirit of the event. Good for her family in not letting the recognition of one of our soldiers pass.


32 posted on 12/04/2012 11:06:56 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: wesagain

These people would have censored these Japanese Americans in internment camps. Here is a sampling of poems written in 1945 by American teenagers in an internment camp in Arizona:

http://www.sccs.swarthmore.edu/users/04/sorelle/poetry/wwii/poetry.html#poetry-children-US


33 posted on 12/04/2012 11:07:14 AM PST by petitfour
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To: wesagain
...because one member of the community didn’t like it.

To that one member of the 'community"- if you don't like it, do like we conservatives do when morons like you spew your anti-God venom; shake your head and ignore it!

34 posted on 12/04/2012 11:11:15 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: OneWingedShark

“..Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and John Adams were also strong advocates and supporters...”

they were advocates of good education including use of the Bible - they were not atheists by any stretch of the imaginations.


35 posted on 12/04/2012 11:12:03 AM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: OneWingedShark
It seems to me that life/society seems to be blasting away every attempt to correct with “you can’t do anything.”

And if people accept that answer nothing will get done. Did Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Adams etc.... accept that answer? America gets what it tolerates.

36 posted on 12/04/2012 12:22:51 PM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: elpadre
they were advocates of good education including use of the Bible - they were not atheists by any stretch of the imaginations.

So get elected to a school board, drum up support, and get your voice heard.

37 posted on 12/04/2012 12:26:22 PM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: wesagain
School officials could not be reached for comment.

Amazing. School officials that have no cell or home phones. /s

Actually, what is truly amazing is how far down this road of "separation of church and state" we have allowed ourselves to come. The first amendment constrains the Federal congress and nothing else. Public state schools are free to do what they will when it comes to religious issues but have allowed themselves to be cow-towed into submission to the secular forces of today's society. Religious people of all denominations had better start putting their feet down and reversing this or as Ronald Reagan put it: "If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under."

38 posted on 12/04/2012 12:30:01 PM PST by mc5cents
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To: verga

>> It seems to me that life/society seems to be blasting away every attempt to correct with “you can’t do anything.”
>
> And if people accept that answer nothing will get done. Did Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Adams etc.... accept that answer? America gets what it tolerates.

Good point; but let me ask: at what point has the line been crossed? IOW, at what point would a significant portion (i.e. a group, not statistical outliers) consider armed retaliation/violence against government’s agents/properties to be just? Do you recall the guy (Story, IIRC) who flew his plane into the IRS building some years ago?

Another thing that works against us is the legal-system. Take, for instance, firearm restrictions: I have lived in two states where government restriction of arms was strictly forbidden by their state Constitutions (NM & SD); yet, both states have statute or rules that prohibit firearms from courthouses... these laws/rules apparently cannot be challenged without breaking them — this means that you are placed into a position of weakness: the accused saying “but the accusation is immaterial because the Constitution prohibits it” which will be laughed out of court due to ‘precedence’ *spit* or “common sense reading” of the law.


39 posted on 12/04/2012 12:42:41 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark
Good point; but let me ask: at what point has the line been crossed? IOW, at what point would a significant portion (i.e. a group, not statistical outliers) consider armed retaliation/violence against government’s agents/properties to be just? Do you recall the guy (Story, IIRC) who flew his plane into the IRS building some years ago?

Yes I do recall it. I can't give you a specific point. but I can say it has been crossed when a significant/ sufficient number of people are willing to do something. I am not sure if it was on this thread but my father got on the school board 40 years ago over a transportation issue. When he got it changed he finished his term and went back to being a regular citizen. He was respected enough that for a number of years after the superintendent would call him up to get his feelings on various issues.

Another thing that works against us is the legal-system. Take, for instance, firearm restrictions: I have lived in two states where government restriction of arms was strictly forbidden by their state Constitutions (NM & SD); yet, both states have statute or rules that prohibit firearms from courthouses... these laws/rules apparently cannot be challenged without breaking them — this means that you are placed into a position of weakness: the accused saying “but the accusation is immaterial because the Constitution prohibits it” which will be laughed out of court due to ‘precedence’ *spit* or “common sense reading” of the law.

Well that is one way to approach it via jury nullification. The other is to get a number of legislators to change the law.

40 posted on 12/04/2012 12:57:18 PM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: verga
Well that is one way to approach it via jury nullification. The other is to get a number of legislators to change the law.

Shouldn't be necessary: any statute contrary to the governing Constitution is null and void. Indeed, trying to repeal it only adds to its perceived legitimacy.

There are, however federal laws regarding deprivation of rights under color of law, which look like they should be quite applicable.

41 posted on 12/04/2012 1:16:21 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: verga

mid-eighties now - in younger days did all of above plus much more in community service.


42 posted on 12/04/2012 1:52:29 PM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: OneWingedShark
Shouldn't be necessary: any statute contrary to the governing Constitution is null and void. Indeed, trying to repeal it only adds to its perceived legitimacy.

True but once it has become an accepted practice ie slavery, then it requires legislative action much like what was done with the 13th amendment.

There are, however federal laws regarding deprivation of rights under color of law, which look like they should be quite applicable

Then what do you recommend?

43 posted on 12/04/2012 2:21:04 PM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: elpadre

God bless you and thank you, can I suggest prayer?


44 posted on 12/04/2012 2:22:39 PM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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