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To: JCBreckenridge
IMO, The "church" is not the enemy, but the "priesthood is. The people only do what they see. The church "government" is the one that does nothing to fight evil.

I know that statement will get reams of groans and "What about Bishop so and so, or what about Cardinal so and so". As a group, the priesthood is liberal. Libs now run the church and have for years. When ever disention comes, the troops line up to defend something, I'm never sure what it is. I think they think the church is defending Jesus or something, but it really is defending men that support politicians like Kennedy, Peolsi, Kerry , or Biden. It's now about the money and power. They would rather have Pelosi in a high position, that defend babies from murder. Look at the decades of debauchery of the Kennedy's and tell me why the church still claims them? It's all about free money for food stamps or rent subsidies instead of saving babies and fighting sodomy. Many lay people know this and are examples of what the church should be, but they are undercut by the priesthood. If we don't figure this out soon, ( this is my opinion, of course), the church as we know it is lost.

What I am using as a pattern is all the other denominations that have fallen into destruction over the years. Any denomination that has women pastors, accept homosexual marriage, accept abortion, ect, have recently hit the skids. When you say The Catholic Church is headed the same way, you get this resistance that usually contains the statement about the "gates of Hell". That just means they are in denial. When you spend your life learning the catechisms of the church, and then see them stepped on under foot by the same people that taught you the rules, do you really believe the church still follows Christ, or follows the changing culture of the world. The church should be leading and not following.

For me, God has put the stark choices in front of every Christian, Catholic and Protestant, and we are failing. Abortion and sodomy are just the most black and white issues one could have to make your choice. If 50% vote for Obama, and even more support Pelosi, Kennedy's, Biden, or Kerry, then it should be obvious we have a problem in the church. Catholics can bitch and moan about the prots, but that doesn't fix the Catholic church, which is something we should have a say in. To say black prots overwhelmingly voted for Obama means nothing to me if Catholic colleges, supported by Catholics, with catholic professors vote overwhelmingly for Obama,...well that means something to me. Why doesn't it concern the government of the church? Why aren't some people losing their jobs, not to mention the Sacraments? Why is my money going to finance this? The Baptists are going though the same thing. They believe Genesis literally, yet finance Baylor college which teaches the opposite. Whatever way you believe, should you support the exact opposite? We give money to support catholic endeavors, yet we reap the works of Satan.( Yes, I don't think it's a stretch to compare Obama to the works of Satan)

I've been complaining for years now with absolutely ZERO concern by the Church. For me this is devastating to see open sin in the church with absolutely no consequences. I don't see the difference in Pelosi receiving Eucharist, and priests molesting kids. Pelosi is even out in the open and bragging about her rebellion. At least the priests tried to hide their sin. The real shame came when the Priesthood tried to keep it quiet. Men fall, men fail, we all do, but you can't hide it and overlook it. Kerry, Biden and others don't hide their contempt for the church, yet nothing is ever done or said.

I have to tell you, i have worried about the direction of the Catholic Church now for so long, it is affecting my Spiritual life. I have to examine each and every statement and position of the church and try to discern if it's from God or man. It's exhausting. I love Jesus, but question the church, and it's killing me. I have almost no support. So many just fall in line, salute, and start to defend the indefensible. In the recent past, I have noticed a small cadre of people that will finally admit there is something wrong, but we still have no effect on anything. I'm terrified of the day when there are so many liberal Cardinals, we get a liberal Pope. I can almost imagine a "Hope and Change" Pope. Can't we all just get along?......Not me,.... not with baby killers and sodomites. I have a line somewhere out there I will not cross. I'm not sure just exactly where it is yet, but I'm sure it's much closer than I think, right now. The church has a "teachable" moment right now. When we are all on food stamps without a job and sodomites are married in the church, will the pew warmers finally get it?

25 posted on 12/04/2012 1:06:03 PM PST by chuckles
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To: chuckles

Chuckles, bear with me please. I’m going to ask the same question to you as I asked Ansel. Do you support contraception?

“What I am using as a pattern is all the other denominations that have fallen into destruction over the years. Any denomination that has women pastors, accept homosexual marriage, accept abortion, ect, have recently hit the skids. When you say The Catholic Church is headed the same way, you get this resistance that usually contains the statement about the “gates of Hell”. “

Actually, the Church has been a bulwark against secularism, and have been going at it alone for close to 80 years now. All of the protestants have caved, in some way shape or form to the sexual revolution. Some are just further down the line than others.


26 posted on 12/04/2012 1:11:29 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind. - John Steinbeck :))
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