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Poll: Repubs Getting Massacred in 'Cliff' Media Debate
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Posted on 12/04/2012 10:01:58 AM PST by chessplayer

You know, it's tough to fight the media on behalf of conservatism when those elected to institute and protect conservatism have no skills whatsoever when it comes to articulating and defending our ideas.

According to this new poll, House Republicans might actually be doing better in this debate were they to simply say nothing. They certainly couldn't be doing worse:

While 53 percent of those surveyed say the GOP would (and should) lose the fiscal cliff blame game, just 27 percent say President Obama would be deserving of more of the blame.

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And obama just sits and laughs.
1 posted on 12/04/2012 10:02:02 AM PST by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

The GOP is completely intimidated by the MSM


2 posted on 12/04/2012 10:02:49 AM PST by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: chessplayer

Let it all fail. Crash and burn, baby. Those of us that are prepared will be just fine and maybe we’ll take out some libtards for good measure.


3 posted on 12/04/2012 10:03:54 AM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: chessplayer

In short ... it’s all over.


4 posted on 12/04/2012 10:04:47 AM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: chessplayer

With the state run media, Republicans cannot win this. If they succeed, they are blamed for taking us off the cliff and will be replaced with democrats. If they fail, they fail. This is a lose/lose proposition.


5 posted on 12/04/2012 10:05:04 AM PST by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: SMARTY
Rush said this morning that Obama and Boehner already have a deal. That these "negotiations" are just for show. Rush said that's why Boehner is purging the GOP of Tea Partiers.
6 posted on 12/04/2012 10:05:44 AM PST by exist
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To: chessplayer

The Republicans are lousy at P.R. Why? Because most of the old ones, not the conservatives, are not much different than the Democrats.


7 posted on 12/04/2012 10:05:50 AM PST by Parmy
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To: chessplayer

What is sad is I saw a video Clip of Gov. Howard Dean about strategy and the fiscal cliff. I found myself agreeing more with Dean than Boenher.


8 posted on 12/04/2012 10:06:04 AM PST by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: chessplayer

Still love FR but couldn’t care less about politics any longer. The left won for now, let them go over whatever cliff they choose. The GOP has ceased to exist for me, just LOSERS. No guts.


9 posted on 12/04/2012 10:06:45 AM PST by toddausauras (FUBO x 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000)
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To: chessplayer

Screw the Dems. Screw the media. Screw Obama. Screw the polls.

I have totally had it. Let’s have one Party which will protect the interests of the taxpayers, the ones who are actually paying for all of the “free” stuff.


10 posted on 12/04/2012 10:06:45 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: chessplayer
The Republicans in the House have sat on their butts for two years. The Speaker appears to be a Democratic Party Agent and
we wonder why the public turns to Obama, at least he is the fountain of ‘Obama Money’ and those free mobile phones for the drug trade.
11 posted on 12/04/2012 10:07:44 AM PST by Hans
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To: chessplayer
DEAR GOP: VISCOUS VERBAL ATTACKS ON THE MEDIA ARE IN ORDER HERE!
12 posted on 12/04/2012 10:09:24 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: chessplayer

It doesn’t matter what happens, Pravda will blame the Republicans, regardless of the result.


13 posted on 12/04/2012 10:09:29 AM PST by CMailBag
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To: chessplayer
The Republicans in the House can let the Dims run the show while they play Angry Birds.
14 posted on 12/04/2012 10:10:17 AM PST by windsorknot
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

The Tea Party needs to re-anoint themselves as THE official party for conservatives. Why have they been so quiet lately? Where’s the protests?


15 posted on 12/04/2012 10:11:04 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: chessplayer

Who cares?


16 posted on 12/04/2012 10:12:16 AM PST by pgkdan (We are witnessing the modern sack of Rome. The barbarians have taken over.)
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To: chessplayer

That’s because there is no conservative leadership in DC. Period!
The GOP wants to spend our money almost as much as the RATs.
That’s what DC is all about, no matter what party is involved.


17 posted on 12/04/2012 10:12:55 AM PST by tennmountainman
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To: Hans

You are correct. The voters gave them the biggest victory in congressional history, and they did absolutely NOTHING with it. They tip-toed around trying not to offend, thinking that was the way to win the White House in 2012. Instead they got murdered across the Senate and in the White House.

Somehow our party pr is such a disaster that our House members who passed no less than 30 legitimate bills to tackle spending, debt, budgets, reforms etc got 100% of the blame for ‘doing nothing’. All the while the Dem Senate, under direction from the Obama campaign actually did nothing...no budgets, no bills, no committee votes, no debates. Nothing. Yet they get a bigger majority.

What a disaster. Everyone involved should lose their positions.


18 posted on 12/04/2012 10:12:58 AM PST by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: chessplayer
This never was a winning issue for 'Pubs. They were going to get the blame no matter what happened. The public (via the media) had already made up its vacuous mind that anything bad would be blamed on the 'Pubs and anything good would be credited to Obama. Remember it played out this way with the government shutdown in the '90s. Clinton was the White Knight while the 'Pubs were painted as the "Gingrich Who Stole Christmas".

OK, so this all sets us free. We know we can't win, we're going to lose no matter what. We know we're going to get the blame, so I say do the right thing and let the cuts happen. Maybe if the sheeple get hurt badly enough it will wake them up. When they start to cry, just remind them, you voted for Obama, this is what you get. Rush was right when he says this is now a nation of children. Well, sometimes kids have to learn the hard way. You play around the stove too much, you'll burn your hand. Fine, let the kids get hurt. Maybe they'll grow up.

19 posted on 12/04/2012 10:14:17 AM PST by chimera
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To: chessplayer

The media controls the narrative

the GOP isn’t even trying to counter it

they are too busy purging conservatives


20 posted on 12/04/2012 10:15:25 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Sans-Culotte

Yup. Hard to fight against obama’s govt. run media.


21 posted on 12/04/2012 10:16:11 AM PST by chessplayer
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To: toddausauras

I feel much the same. My participation in politics is over for the rest of my life. I will only engage locally and at the state level. All national races will be left blank. I simply do not count, living in MA takes much of the blame.

I’m done. I don’t care anymore. The only thing I care about right now is money, ammo, food and water.


22 posted on 12/04/2012 10:16:34 AM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: chessplayer

I’d GOP has done nothing to circumvent the MSM and get the message out. But then again, I’m not sure what the message the GOP wants to send! From what I see, it is not a conservative message... It seems like a party that has failed to firmly define and stand behind some principles and proudly shout them for all who will listen.

I can ramble off my conservative principles without hesitation or fear of hurting someone’s feelings. I can explain them easily. I just don’t see this with the GOP.


23 posted on 12/04/2012 10:18:06 AM PST by Made In The USA (I'm not yelling, just... just talking enthusiastically..)
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To: toddausauras

iow...you quit. how apropos.


24 posted on 12/04/2012 10:18:12 AM PST by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: SMARTY
The GOP is completely intimidated by the MSM

Setting aside the GOP/GOPe/whatever conflict for a moment, wouldn't you be? If not, you don't see the problem that is staring you in the face.

25 posted on 12/04/2012 10:18:20 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: chessplayer

Blamer in Chief has a lot of zombie soldiers, so the poll means nothing.


26 posted on 12/04/2012 10:20:28 AM PST by granada
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To: GeronL
The media controls the narrative

Only if you listen to it. Stopped listening over a decade ago. Turn it off. As others have stated, what we need is a second party, not a third one.

27 posted on 12/04/2012 10:24:05 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Good point.

The TP was instrumental in 2010, but where were they in 2012?


28 posted on 12/04/2012 10:24:11 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Sans-Culotte

How true! Especially since the majority of the public are so stupid and gullible that they still beleive everything they read an see and hear in the MSM.


29 posted on 12/04/2012 10:24:42 AM PST by Jean2
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Sounds sticky.


30 posted on 12/04/2012 10:25:31 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: justa-hairyape

don’t listen to it either.. but most people get enough headlines from MSM to form hasty opinions.

... collapse is coming...

and we rebuild after that.

and I don’t believe a single pollster except Nate Silver. I’d rather hear bad news, than listen to cheerleaders.


31 posted on 12/04/2012 10:27:13 AM PST by Chuzzlewit
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

The left along with its MSM mouthpiece has largely succeeded in the character assassination of the TP.


32 posted on 12/04/2012 10:30:01 AM PST by windsorknot
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To: chessplayer

Yes, they are, and they massacred themselves.

Let them bleed out, they deserve it.

-Politically speaking, of course.-


33 posted on 12/04/2012 10:31:27 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chessplayer

Blah blah blah.....

It doesn’t matter one whit what the Republicans do, they will me massacred by the media.

Unless they begin a successful policy of destroying the media and the presstitutes they will always be massacred.


34 posted on 12/04/2012 10:36:01 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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And obama just sits and laughs.

These pukes are gloating every day but they aren't any smarter than Republicans. We would be winning and gloating too if we had the media in our back pockets

35 posted on 12/04/2012 10:43:52 AM PST by dennisw (With age comes wisdom.)
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To: chessplayer

Oh BS!!! It does not matter one iota whether the Republicans have crazy RGIII type skillz or Mark Sanchez skillz. The Media will edit, ignore, misquote and otherwise use every corrupt means at its disposal to ALWAYS portray the Republicans as evil. Live it, learn it, love it.

Which brings us to the foundation of the problem for conservatives. The media must be dealt with or there is simply no battle that can be won. Control the battle field, control the battle. It is high time that the Republicans start to treat the media as an arm of the democrat party separated by NADDDA and go after them. Dig up the dirt. Dig up the sludge. Hire opposition research to find out every aspect of Chrissie Matthew’s life. Intimidate and destroy personally the Media.


36 posted on 12/04/2012 10:47:56 AM PST by FlipWilson
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To: chessplayer

Oh BS!!! It does not matter one iota whether the Republicans have crazy RGIII type skillz or Mark Sanchez skillz. The Media will edit, ignore, misquote and otherwise use every corrupt means at its disposal to ALWAYS portray the Republicans as evil. Live it, learn it, love it.

Which brings us to the foundation of the problem for conservatives. The media must be dealt with or there is simply no battle that can be won. Control the battle field, control the battle. It is high time that the Republicans start to treat the media as an arm of the democrat party separated by NADDDA and go after them. Dig up the dirt. Dig up the sludge. Hire opposition research to find out every aspect of Chrissie Matthew’s life. Intimidate and destroy personally the Media.


37 posted on 12/04/2012 10:48:10 AM PST by FlipWilson
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To: chessplayer

I agree. Stand aside and let the chips fall where they may. The public has already decided to pre-blame the GOP for any and all fallout.

GOPers in the House... put yesterday’s proposal into a bill, pass it, forward it to the Senate (where it, along with everything else will die), and take your holiday break. You’re never going to win in the eyes of the brain-dead American public anyway. So to hell with it. Pass it, tell Obama where to stick it, and head out of town.


38 posted on 12/04/2012 10:51:06 AM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: FlipWilson
Which brings us to the foundation of the problem for conservatives. The media must be dealt with or there is simply no battle that can be won. Control the battle field, control the battle. It is high time that the Republicans start to treat the media as an arm of the democrat party separated by NADDDA and go after them. Dig up the dirt. Dig up the sludge. Hire opposition research to find out every aspect of Chrissie Matthew’s life. Intimidate and destroy personally the Media.

I like that. If the media have deigned to join the fray, then they are no longer above the fray, are they?

39 posted on 12/04/2012 10:53:00 AM PST by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

DEAR GOP: VISCOUS VERBAL ATTACKS ON THE MEDIA ARE IN ORDER HERE!

Yep...but a spine would help, first.


40 posted on 12/04/2012 10:53:23 AM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: chessplayer

The public blames the GOP because that’s what the media tells them is the problem. As so many posters have pointed out, the GOP is not even trying to counter the false propaganda.


41 posted on 12/04/2012 10:55:01 AM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: tennmountainman
That’s because there is no conservative leadership in DC. Period!

Yep. After every encounter with the dark side, the GOP trots Boehner out to mumble 60 seconds worth of drivel, then retreat behind the walls.

42 posted on 12/04/2012 10:57:36 AM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

I don’t think “viscous” attacks work against a Teflon® president.

*Teflon is a registered trademark of the DuPont corporation.


43 posted on 12/04/2012 10:59:35 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: chessplayer

Massacred? 53% would blame republicans. Isn’t that the same number of maroons that voted for Obama?


44 posted on 12/04/2012 10:59:46 AM PST by McGruff (No New RINOs!)
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To: Dr. Sivana
Like THIS?:


45 posted on 12/04/2012 11:01:28 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

Quote; “I like that. If the media have deigned to join the fray, then they are no longer above the fray, are they?”

No, they absolutely are not. The media wields as much or more power than our elected officials and they are corrupt. This is no longer about bias. This is multi-front war and our soldiers are fighting on only one front.


46 posted on 12/04/2012 11:10:12 AM PST by FlipWilson
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To: Made In The USA

Quote: “The GOP has done nothing to circumvent the MSM and get the message out.”

There is no way to circumvent the MSM. I mean, what would you do? Run advertisements? But the MSM will refuse to carry those advertisements. The solution is to destroy the MSM by any means necessary. It is time to acknowledge the real enemy at the foundation of our problems.


47 posted on 12/04/2012 11:14:19 AM PST by FlipWilson
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To: chessplayer

The GOOBers better give Barry Benghazi what he wants or the freeloading, CommieZombies won’t vote for them again like they didn’t vote for them in 2008, 2010 and 2012. This 53% of uppity freeloaders who want to blame the GOOBers need to demand that “Barry the Messiah” (BM) raise THEIR taxes! It’s not “the rich” who are demanding BIG, BIG government. It’s the freeloaders. If they want BIG, BIG government, THEY should be willing to pay for it.


48 posted on 12/04/2012 11:17:40 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Don't tax me bro! Tax that guy over there!)
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To: chessplayer
This is what you get when you have NO LEADERSHIP.

This is akin to the North not having a General Sherman or the South having General Lee.

All CONSERVATIVES have is pile of $hit and we're being shoved in it.

49 posted on 12/04/2012 11:17:50 AM PST by VideoDoctor
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I mean, what would you do? Run advertisements?

Reagan COMPLETELY circumnavigated the MSM in his day by talking directly to the people.

Unfortunately, that takes SPECIAL LEADERSHIP qualities which there is a TOTAL ABSENCE of at this point.

50 posted on 12/04/2012 11:27:34 AM PST by VideoDoctor
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