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Conservatives make John Boehner’s life difficult—again
Yahoo News ^ | 12/4/2012 | Chris Moody

Posted on 12/04/2012 11:04:12 AM PST by South40

WASHINGTON—Conservatives panned the House Republican proposal released Monday to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff, yet again giving House Speaker and lead negotiator John Boehner little room to maneuver as he works toward a deal with the White House.

The proposal includes extending current tax rates for all income levels and raising revenue by closing loopholes in the tax code.

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I hope they make Boehner cry.
1 posted on 12/04/2012 11:04:14 AM PST by South40
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To: South40

Apparently it doesn’t take much...


2 posted on 12/04/2012 11:04:57 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Hope and Change has become Attack and Obfuscate.)
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To: South40

Maybe he should consider another line of work.


3 posted on 12/04/2012 11:11:12 AM PST by Sybeck1 (Exodus 20:17)
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To: South40

Well, these idiots went right along with Boehner and Cantor and McCarthy continuing as leaders. Goemert nominated Gingrich to be speaker and not one republican seconded the nomination. They could have sent a message but they chose to cower in fear (of a man with no spine, no less).


4 posted on 12/04/2012 11:12:03 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: South40
First of all, DeMint is a minority party Senator. Senate has not part in this dance. He can say what he wants, he has no responsibility here.

I thought Boehner’s plan was realistic, as much as I hated it.

Listen, we're going over the cliff. We have to be as reasonable as possible to avoid some of the blame (doubt if it will work, but we have to put best deal out there). While I like the doomsday option, I would do it differently.

I would simply allow a vote to raise marginal tax rates on the 2%, but change nothing else in the law. Estate taxes, AMT, deductions, etc. would all remain the same. Minimal pain on minimal amount of people.

Our Reps can vote “present” if they want, but send it to Senate. Let them pass it or ignore it - might help the blame game.

5 posted on 12/04/2012 11:12:41 AM PST by dan on the right
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To: South40

Oh this is great. Now Boehner is the best friend of the Left and the awful conservatives are going to be the fall guys. The Word “Conservative” will be the next victim to Alinsky’s Rules.


6 posted on 12/04/2012 11:13:41 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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To: South40
First of all, DeMint is a minority party Senator. Senate has not part in this dance. He can say what he wants, he has no responsibility here.

I thought Boehner’s plan was realistic, as much as I hated it.

Listen, we're going over the cliff. We have to be as reasonable as possible to avoid some of the blame (doubt if it will work, but we have to put best deal out there). While I like the doomsday option, I would do it differently.

I would simply allow a vote to extend all tax cuts and laws permanently, but raise marginal tax rates on the 2% to, say, 38%, but change nothing else in the law. Estate taxes, AMT, deductions, etc. would all remain the same. Minimal pain on minimal amount of people.

Our Reps can vote “present” if they want, but send it to Senate. Let them pass it or ignore it - might help the blame game.

7 posted on 12/04/2012 11:14:05 AM PST by dan on the right
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To: cotton1706
Goemert nominated Gingrich to be speaker

And why did he do this instead of nominate an ACTUAL HOUSE MEMBER?!
8 posted on 12/04/2012 11:14:58 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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To: dan on the right

realistic?

immediate tax hikes and no spending cuts? because if they aren’t immediate, they ain’t onna happen


9 posted on 12/04/2012 11:17:08 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: South40

2014 is going to look like 1974 for the GOP House.


10 posted on 12/04/2012 11:17:37 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: Eagle of Liberty

I would say because not a single House member decided to put themselves up for nomination to a leadership post. They chose to go along to get along. So Goemert nominated the last real leader the House had, and the only real leader in the presidential campaign.


11 posted on 12/04/2012 11:21:12 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: dan on the right

I would alter the AMT to that regardless of deductions, credits, or any other tax terminology, everyone has to pay a minimum of 10% in taxes.


12 posted on 12/04/2012 11:21:53 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: South40
Message to Boehner:

FIGHT OR GET OUT OF THE WAY FOR SOMEONE WHO WILL

13 posted on 12/04/2012 11:21:53 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: ConservativeDude
We will have to see if my resolve holds up (my track record is not good):

In 2008 I said, "I hate McCain. He's a RINO. I'm not voting for him." But I looked at Obama, I took a deep breath, and I voted for McCain.
In 2012 I said, "I hate Romney. He's a RINO. I'm not voting for him." But I looked at Obama, I took a deep breath, and I voted for Romney.

I have voted straight Republican since 1978 (well, a couple stray Libertarian votes a long time ago ...) but my current position is: I'm done. No more money or votes for the GOP. That party needs to die and be replaced.

But we will see if my resolve holds up.

14 posted on 12/04/2012 11:23:58 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Republicans have made themselves useless, toothless, and clueless.)
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To: South40

Grow a pair, Boehner!


15 posted on 12/04/2012 11:24:29 AM PST by RedMDer (Please support Toys for Tots this CHRISTmas season.)
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To: Eagle of Liberty
And why did he do this instead of nominate an ACTUAL HOUSE MEMBER?!

Just as a note, it is not a requirement for the Speaker of the House to be a sitting House member - anyone can be elected to hold that post by the House, even if they have never held elective office in their life.

16 posted on 12/04/2012 11:24:41 AM PST by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: South40

I can’t believe FR posted a Yahoo News story and you people are commenting on it like it’s real news.

Yahoo News is left leaning as they get, and they love to incite conservatives. Go back and look at when they ever did a story on Dems “in disarray”.

geeze


17 posted on 12/04/2012 11:27:32 AM PST by mike_9958
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To: CA Conservative
Just as a note, it is not a requirement for the Speaker of the House to be a sitting House member - anyone can be elected to hold that post by the House, even if they have never held elective office in their life.

Seriously?
18 posted on 12/04/2012 11:28:45 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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To: GeronL
Not likely the Senate will pass my version of Doomday; if they did, doubt Obama would sign.

We could, in good faith, argue we tried to save the middle class from tax hikes.

We get another shot with the debt ceiling for spending and entitlement savings.

We are fighting terrorists. They don't care if they blow up the country of the economy. Their principles are more important.

19 posted on 12/04/2012 11:31:15 AM PST by dan on the right
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To: GeronL

Not likely the Senate will pass my version of Doomday; if they did, doubt Obama would sign.

We could, in good faith, argue we tried to save the middle class from tax hikes.

We get another shot with the debt ceiling for spending and entitlement savings.

We are fighting terrorists. They don’t care if they blow up the economy. Their principles are more important.


20 posted on 12/04/2012 11:31:54 AM PST by dan on the right
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To: South40
I hope they make Boehner cry.

I thought yesterday Boner told the Conservatives to get in line or be dumped from their committee chairs. No difference between GOP (Boner) and RAT (Piglosi)>

IT IS WAY WAY PAST TIME FOR A NEW PARTY - IT APPEARS IMPOSSIBLE TO OVERTAKE THE ENTRENCHED WITHIN THE GOP-e.
21 posted on 12/04/2012 11:35:05 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: dan on the right
Listen, we're going over the cliff. We have to be as reasonable as possible to avoid some of the blame (doubt if it will work, but we have to put best deal out there).

Agreed, this is all window dressing. Obama is taking us over the cliff regardless. If we agreed to his terms he would up the anti. Reid has already said any settlement must include the POTUS having authority to raise the debt limit as he pleases.
And the media will blame it all on the house republicans. So if you are going to get the blame anyway, I say lets shut the government down to essential services. Unions are always going on strike, let's have the congress go on strike. Do our timid career congressmen have the guts to throw themselves on the live grenade in Washington?

22 posted on 12/04/2012 11:36:23 AM PST by oldbrowser (Put Obama in check, now.)
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To: South40

Those wascally conservatives again!!! LOL! America will NEVER be able to “Give Communism A Chance” as long as those pesky conservatives keep messing everything up!


23 posted on 12/04/2012 11:36:54 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Don't tax me bro! Tax that guy over there!)
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To: mike_9958
I can’t believe FR posted a Yahoo News story and you people are commenting on it like it’s real news.

Happens all the time.

Yahoo tells conservatives to make Boehner's life difficults...so FR ponies up and obeys.

People here claim to hate the MSM, yet constanly FR does the MSM's bidding.

24 posted on 12/04/2012 11:38:31 AM PST by what's up
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To: mike_9958
Yahoo News is left leaning as they get, and they love to incite conservatives. Go back and look at when they ever did a story on Dems “in disarray”.

You may be right but this is what the Ill-Informed Voter reads.
25 posted on 12/04/2012 11:39:10 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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To: cotton1706

Um, I think Gingrich was in the exact same position once upon a time. How much better did he do than Boner? Is that precise a measurement possible?


26 posted on 12/04/2012 11:48:47 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: Eagle of Liberty

Yes, seriously. Most people do not realize that. The only thing the Constitution says is: “The House of Representatives shall chuse [sic] their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.” (Article 1, Section 2, Clause 5)


27 posted on 12/04/2012 11:51:16 AM PST by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: Eagle of Liberty

Welcome to Act 4 of Boehner/ Obama negotiations. In Act 4, Boehner and his supporters go and complain to left-wing media about the mean conservatives and tea-party hobbits, while they twist the arms off of all GOP House fence sitters who wobble between being conservative or supporting John Boehner. It is a bad idea to support a “leader” as bad as Boehner.


28 posted on 12/04/2012 11:51:52 AM PST by Windy City Conservative
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To: Tublecane

When Clinton said that he didn’t want to balance the budget, Gingrich said, we’ll we’re going to do it anyway. The House passed welfare reform again and again until it was signed. He appointed conservatives to committee chairmanships, he limited the terms of committed chairs and of his own position. He cut the House staff by a third (forcing the senate to do the same, which I’m sure Dole didn’t like). Gingrich actually used the power of the House as leverage. He didn’t just say oh, well, that was fun. I guess I’ll cave now.

All spending must originate in the House, yet we’ve had trillion dollar deficits in the last two years and the Republicans have been in charge. Because Boehner and company were afraid of being evicerated in the media if there was a government shutdown or a default or whatever other scare tactic they’d use, first with the continuing resolutions, then the debt deal, and now the fiscal cliff.

Gingrich relished the fight against the democrats. Boehner wants to get back to his glass of wine and his cigarette.


29 posted on 12/04/2012 12:20:05 PM PST by cotton1706
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To: dan on the right

Obama is laughing at Boehner’s “realistic” plan - “magic beans and fairy dust”.


30 posted on 12/04/2012 12:20:05 PM PST by DManA
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To: rockinqsranch
Message to Boehner:

Message from Boehner: Eat your peas.

31 posted on 12/04/2012 12:26:45 PM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: itsahoot

That SOB can eat his peas. I’ll eat my spinach thank you.


32 posted on 12/04/2012 12:31:31 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: mike_9958
I can’t believe FR posted a Yahoo News story and you people are commenting on it like it’s real news.

You people? You talk about other FReepers like you think you are above them. You're not.

As for the source, go to Free Republic's Home Page. Scroll down on the left pane until you see the "Media Links". Yahoo News is listed.

If you don't like this particular source being used on FR perhaps you could have a talk with the management and request they remove it from their home page. Registering your complaint with me will get you nowhere.

33 posted on 12/04/2012 12:32:48 PM PST by South40 ("Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance." - Barack Hussein Obama - Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009.)
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To: mike_9958

The media will demonize conservatives and mock the RINOs, all while they drive a wedge between the two and weaken the Party. It’s just like Illinois. Corrupt and rotten to the core.


34 posted on 12/04/2012 12:50:52 PM PST by virgil
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To: ClearCase_guy

Yep. Many of us are in that same boat. Though I would add this: I actually came to like Romney. A lot.

But his campaign fools did him in. Of course he should have fired them, so ultimately it all comes back to him.

I (and many others) are far far far far from being GOP haters.

But, for the most part, we are done.


35 posted on 12/04/2012 1:28:16 PM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: cotton1706

Pubs had both the House and Senate then. We have only the House now. Plus, the Do Nothing argument and the budget showdown argument are seperate to my mind. The overall success of the class of 94 did not stop Clinton from beating Gingrich in the shutdown. That’s what I was talking about specifically.

As for the deficit thing, you do realize gubmint’s on autopilot. Everyone should’ve known it would be the same expanding stalemate so long as Congress is split. I really don’t see how it could be otherwise unless Pubs cave and open the dam or Obama compromises and keeps the Bush the Younger tax rates to help get reelected.

Spending bills originating in the House is dead letter, by the way. Especially after Obamacare.


36 posted on 12/04/2012 1:45:03 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: South40
Conservatives make John Boehner’s life difficult—again

Difficult? I want them to make his life a living hell until he runs screaming and crying down the halls of Congress all the way to his mommy!

37 posted on 12/04/2012 1:51:11 PM PST by OB1kNOb (On November 6th liberty was given the death penalty in America.)
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To: South40

The GOP establishment needs to go. They play for both sides.


38 posted on 12/04/2012 2:07:36 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: South40

“You people? You talk about other FReepers like you think you are above them. You’re not.”

Chill dude.. I never said that.. although you must be one of those that believes this Yahoo crap.

sorry to hurt your feelings... but I call like I see’em.


39 posted on 12/04/2012 8:21:58 PM PST by mike_9958
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To: virgil

“The media will demonize conservatives and mock the RINOs”

The libs love this and the Conservatives go nuts, and RINOs are in denial.

I don’t think all the media is about politics (some are) but most just want money. I mean look at the latest “Fiscal Cliff” and ask yourself “really?, yes it’s bad but 100s of new regs are probably worse”


40 posted on 12/04/2012 8:30:37 PM PST by mike_9958
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To: mike_9958
You didn't hurt my feeling, you can't. You just made a fool of yourself.

Like I said, if you don't like Yahoo News on FR have a talk with the establishment who puts the link on their home page.

41 posted on 12/04/2012 8:42:09 PM PST by South40 ("Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance." - Barack Hussein Obama - Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009.)
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To: South40

bingo


42 posted on 12/04/2012 8:43:21 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: South40

“Like I said, if you don’t like Yahoo News on FR have a talk with the establishment who puts the link on their home page”

I don’t care where the Yahoo link is.... just because it’s on a FR page doesn’t give every story they write instant credibility.

What are you thinking ?

Are you the the guy who believes everything they read on the internet? I’ve been looking for you.


43 posted on 12/04/2012 9:04:33 PM PST by mike_9958
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To: GlockThe Vote

“bingo”

Really ?


44 posted on 12/04/2012 9:07:52 PM PST by mike_9958
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