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HOUSE GOP LEADERS PURGED CONSERVATIVES USING SECRET CRITERIA LIST
Big Government ^ | 4 Dec 2012 | MATTHEW BOYLE

Posted on 12/04/2012 6:29:13 PM PST by neverdem

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To: tennmountainman
when it was Bonehead and the GOP who actually voted for automatic spending cuts in the Grand Bargain

Already explained this. Some cuts are OK. The cuts the libertarians want are ridiculous.

101 posted on 12/04/2012 10:02:56 PM PST by what's up
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To: Roland
sacrifice themselves for undeserving animals because it is good for the economy

I agaree that a national security goal is essential.

102 posted on 12/04/2012 10:07:32 PM PST by what's up
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
You're right. The accusation, which seems to be coming from the Ron Paul caucus, that these are "conservatives" being excluded from the financial committees because of their conservatism, is not truthful.

Almost every Republican and libertarian claims to be conservative. Words are cheap. Even Ron Paul's bosom buddy, Alex Jones, claims to be a conservative, but here's what he thinks of real conservatives:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dU5hxTVJrX4

One of those ousted from a financial committee is from here in NC: "Little Walter" Jones. He, for one, certainly is no conservative!

Two others are David Schweikert and Justin Amash. Both are apparently Rontards. Amash, a/k/a "Mr. Facebook," is sometimes touted as the next Ron Paul.

Amash, in particular, has a reputation as a loose cannon. E.g., though pro-life, he was one of only seven Republicans who voted against banning sex-selection abortions. (Ron Paul also voted against banning sex-selection abortions.) Amash even very publicly lambasted the Republican leadership over the issue -- not exactly the best way to get preference the next time committee assignments come around.

My guess: it's probably the guys who wanted the federal gov't to default on the debt, rather than raise the debt ceiling, who're being shunted aside from the financial committees. If so, I wouldn't call that "conservative," I'd call it irresponsible.

America's economic problems are serious business. Obviously the House Republican leadership wants serious people working on them... to which I say, "Amen!"

103 posted on 12/04/2012 10:09:20 PM PST by ncdave4life
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To: ncdave4life
-> America's economic problems are serious business. Obviously the House Republican leadership wants serious people working on them

Didn't your read the report from the Heritage Foundation which says the GOP headed by our speaker put no real solutions in getting the country's more urgent issues addressed. Whether those people are not to your tasting, the voters voted them in to get the government under control and to stop spending. The GOP just cut them off at the knees because they were Paul like (not buying it)

104 posted on 12/04/2012 10:22:57 PM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt. Our nation's foundation is under attack.)
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To: SharpRightTurn

hell we need walter williams as speaker of the house. you don’ t have to be elected rep to be speaker.


105 posted on 12/04/2012 11:00:17 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Cubs Fan

conservatives no longer have any representation


They quit representing conservatives many years ago.

It amazes me why people keep voting for Republicans and complain about it instead of forming a party that represents their beliefs.

You can expect total compliance to any and all ideas placed before them by the communists.

This election proved that the end of America as we knew it has come to an end. The only thing we have left is to form a third party as our last gasp of freedom. We have no other recourse because only the naive think the Republican party can be “fixed.” Those with common sense know it can’t.


106 posted on 12/05/2012 1:41:03 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: mombonn

Justin Amash?


107 posted on 12/05/2012 2:59:44 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: ncdave4life

Thank you, thank you, thank you. You refuse to let others do your thinking for you.


108 posted on 12/05/2012 6:25:25 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Christie at the beach
They were only removed from a committee, not from the House.

We are having a terrible time with crazy Paulbots here in Iowa--they have nearly destroyed RPI so it is easy for me to sympathize with leadership who removed them.

109 posted on 12/05/2012 6:27:45 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
No, you are one who is participating in the mob mentality here on FR. You're perfectly willing to jump to conclusions without even investigating if there's another point of view.

I know exactly what I'm talking about regarding the crazy Paulbots here in Iowa.

Start reading theiowarepublican.com. This has been going on for about 10 months now and they've nearly destroyed RPI. Until you take the time to investigate, don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about because I do.

110 posted on 12/05/2012 6:35:50 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
Just because you seem to have a general outlook of Paul; doesn't mean everyone agrees with your thinking. All of these people are not from Iowa. The leadership is terribly wrong and incompetent,
111 posted on 12/05/2012 8:26:49 AM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt. Our nation's foundation is under attack.)
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To: neverdem

Let me get my tin foil hat. /s


112 posted on 12/05/2012 8:57:04 AM PST by newzjunkey (grr)
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To: Christie at the beach
I'm not stupid enough to think that everyone will agree. There is another side to this story and there are Iowans who are rejoicing at what Boehner has done.

I will not condemn Boehner for this as if these folks are truly trying to cut the military while protecting Planned Parenthood funding, I say, good for Boehner.

113 posted on 12/05/2012 9:19:54 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: ScottfromNJ
Where are those 3rd party registration forms?

HERE YOU GO

114 posted on 12/05/2012 10:02:07 AM PST by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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To: stockpirate; Travis McGee; Joe Brower; MamaDearest
They are in league with the democrats, not in opposition. It continues to amaze me that so many still they they are going weak kneed or are spineless, the truth is they have betrayed conservatives all along in order to do the devils work, the One World Government, behold the beast.

For almost a 12 years now, I have had that feeling very strongly and always pushed it away. Now I am forced to accept that reality. I was just making some notes in my journal last night that I'm somewhat glad to be heading into my late 50's because Civil War and Revolution are really games for the young. I'll grab my Bible and sit back to watch the show. It won't be very long now. I'm comfortable, cooking popcorn and some hot chocolate. I don't have the strength to pull night ambushes and raids.

115 posted on 12/05/2012 10:12:09 AM PST by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
There's more than your spin to this, indeed. I don't live under a rock because both parties have betrayed the veterans. Have a nice day
116 posted on 12/05/2012 10:27:52 AM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt. Our nation's foundation is under attack.)
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To: cripplecreek

Probably George Soros. I think he’s been calling the shots ever since he and his communist-Islamist alliance orchestrated the run on the bank in Sept of 2008.

Did Huelskamp really think that the people who dictated that a known-ineligible candidate be on the ballot in Kansas...and who oversaw 100+% voting in the critical areas to get Obama elected... and who threatened the media into silence over the eligibility issue because they have a BIG CARD that makes even Roger Ailes scared (who can certainly afford to have a bodyguard...).... would let anybody stand in their way in Congress?

When you join forces with Sauron, expect to get used up and thrown away. The only way to defeat the lawless Sauron is by OPPOSING HIM. The dems may be Sauron, but the reps are Saruman, and right now the only way the country will be saved is if some little Frodo in Congress is willing to understand that the Shire will be no more if they don’t stand up right now. On the eligibility issue, which is the very crux of the lawlessness. Whatever Soros is using for his trump card to get the R’s to join forces with him rather than fight on something so critical, is what is holding this country hostage, and until we address that directly, this country can only slide into a coma and death.

Huelskamp, you tried joining forces with Saruman when you assured the world that Obama would be on the Kansas ballot no matter what. Look where it got you. Learn from your mistake, grow some balls, and let’s get on with saving this country. We need a Senator or Representative to file a lawsuit challenging Obama’s Constitutional ability to “act as President” on the basis of him being unable to qualify by Jan 20th as required by the 20th Amendment - given that he has no legally-determined birth facts, since he has no legally-valid HI birth certificate (as confirmed by HI state registrar Alvin Onaka).


117 posted on 12/05/2012 10:48:05 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: neverdem

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118 posted on 12/05/2012 10:49:55 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Who can take tomorrow, Spend it all today? Who can take your income And tax it all away? Obama Man :)
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To: GeronL; DManA
In the past only a scandal got you off a committee.
Not even voting with the Democrats gets you canned.
But being a conservative does. Wow.
... Boehner is as much our enemy as Barry.
and Stalin & O'Bozo are smiley broadly Today...
Purge Boehner..expel 'em & his lackeys..

119 posted on 12/05/2012 10:56:23 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Who can take tomorrow, Spend it all today? Who can take your income And tax it all away? Obama Man :)
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To: DuncanWaring; Hildy

Amash - just became my rep this election cycle. Walberg was redistricted.


120 posted on 12/05/2012 12:32:01 PM PST by mombonn (God is looking for spiritual fruit, not religious nuts.)
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To: ExSoldier; LucyT; ExTexasRedhead; blackie; DAVEY CROCKETT; Nachum; SJackson
I'll grab my Bible and sit back to watch the show. It won't be very long now

Not surprisingly, just about everyone I speak with is in the same frame of mind.

They are in league with the democrats, not in opposition.

We've had enough of theater-caliber acting from RINOs. The ousting of conservatives this week and pre-election Tea Party distancing confirm the demise of the republican party as we once knew it is in real-time progress.

There is no democrat-lite party, contrary to Bohner and RINOs fantasies. They should just make the political leap and change parties. Colin Powell already admits to voting democrat.

121 posted on 12/05/2012 7:23:25 PM PST by MamaDearest
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To: La Lydia

Thanks for the link.


122 posted on 12/05/2012 7:23:45 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

RINO File.


123 posted on 12/05/2012 7:31:08 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: ExSoldier

Sorry to hear you are going to watch, just think if old George Washington had decided to “watch”?

Me I’m 61, have health problems, but I’d rather die on my feet then serve on my knees.

So after they have taken everyone away and they come for you who will help you?

BTW-your attitude is what got us here in the first place.


124 posted on 12/05/2012 8:00:23 PM PST by stockpirate (Democrrats stole the election via fraud, we will never have a free election again.)
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To: stockpirate
They are in league with the democrats, not in opposition. It continues to amaze me that so many still they they are going weak kneed or are spineless, the truth is they have betrayed conservatives all along in order to do the devils work, the One World Government, behold the beast.

Pretty obvious since LBJ, Left foot, Right foot, down the road to global totalitarianism.

125 posted on 12/06/2012 1:30:04 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: stockpirate
You be minding your own business and not be minding mine.

I’d rather die on my feet then serve on my knees.

Talk is cheap. 99% of folks who say this in strength will roll over and show their bellies when a fed SWAT team busts in their doors at 0300HRS and holds an H&KMP5 to the heads of their grandchildren or wife.

They'll be coming for me in the first wave of sweeps. My popcorn and chocolate illustration is more of a fantasy than fact. My history of activism as well as my affiliations puts me on several lists. The worst of them in the eyes of the oppressors would be former US Army Infantry Captain and NRA certified Firearms Instructor for the last quarter century. What happens when they show up will depend on the circumstances of the moment. But I'm sure not going to be beating my chest and screaming about dying on my feet rather than living on my knees. That's an empty rant.

126 posted on 12/06/2012 8:15:11 AM PST by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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To: ExSoldier
Well....you could do more...

Write a strongly worded letter, on the computer, and e mail it, sure to make waves and get "them" to listen, lol.

Then there is always the online petitions, a useful tool for bending behavior of pols.

Ooh ooh, join an on line political action website and treaten to withhold your vote unless the pol is pure and 110% in line with your very well balanced and thoughful political world view...

Naturally, all of this can be done while sipping chocolate and consuming large quantities of popped corn!

'course, you may get branded a traitor to the cause for not inflating your chest as you type in very manly scenarios in which you would gladly hold off the hordes of govt thugs with your arsenal of stuff which you cleverly fooled said thugs into thinking that you lost your stuff during your fishing expeditions.

One of my favorite forms of resistance is to start a 3rd, 4th and 5th party, and garner 51,000,000 votes based on principle (mine, naturally), then, THEN, I, we, can sow them wo is boss and in control. Oh yeah!

However, we don't do this thing soon, we will need to joint the walker brigade and learn to shoot off hand while sitting, in a wheel chair.

/s

127 posted on 12/06/2012 8:37:09 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Roland; cripplecreek; xzins; napscoordinator; P-Marlowe; Diamond
98 posted on Tue Dec 04 2012 23:43:16 GMT-0600 (Central Standard Time) by Roland: “But in the long term I don't believe that a country can afford to spend 1/3 of it's revenue on defense.”

I remember reading some campaign material put out by Richard Nixon in his 1972 campaign in which he said, when targeting college students in his appeals, that he had managed to bring the defense budget under 50 percent of the total federal budget.

Defense spending isn't anywhere close to that level today. Social welfare spending and entitlements have become a steadily increasing percentage of the budget, along with payments on the national debt and the ticking time bomb of Social Security.

That is wrong.

Most of what the federal government does today either should be done by the states and cities, or should be done by private individuals and organizations, or shouldn't be done at all.

By contrast, providing for the common defense is virtually the only big-dollar item on which the federal government has the primary role under our Constitution. The federal government has other constitutionally prescribed functions, of course, but most of them do not cost anywhere close to what defense costs.

Obviously there is waste in the defense department. I live outside a major Army installation and I could tell horror stories. I think putting together a committee of angry first sergeants could generate billions of dollars in defense cuts due to waste, fraud and abuse, and creating a committee like that is a program I could get behind.

What the Democrats want is something entirely different, not fixing defense but gutting defense.

128 posted on 12/07/2012 6:54:48 AM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: DuncanWaring; cripplecreek; Diamond; P-Marlowe; xzins; wagglebee; little jeremiah; ...
107 posted on Wed Dec 05 2012 04:59:44 GMT-0600 (Central Standard Time) by DuncanWaring: “Justin Amash?”

He's a relatively recent congressman from Grand Rapids, Mich., where I used to live. He's a firebrand but I'm afraid he's been setting the wrong fires.

I've been out of Michigan for more than a dozen years (though I have many ties there), but I now have a new reason to be interested. My congresswoman in Missouri, Rep. Vicky Hartzler, was appointed to one of the positions from which Amash and others was removed on the House Budget Committee. I have problems with Hartzler, but on social issues she is a rock-solid conservative and led the fight in Missouri against homosexual marriage.

I want to withhold judgment on the details of Rep. Amash because I haven't followed his career closely, but on the broad picture, I think it's fairly clear he does not represent the socially conservative voters of Michigan's Bible Belt.

He's not the first case of that, unfortunately. A congressional district as socially conservative as those found in West Michigan, if it were in South Carolina or Mississippi or Texas, would be sending firebrand right-wingers to Congress on a crusade to kill liberal programs and godless wickedness along with them.

That simply has not been the case in West Michigan despite demographics which are clearly ripe for a right-wing conservative Christian candidate, as long as his name is VanderSomething to attract Dutch voters. Conservative Christians do get elected to local offices and the state legislature in West Michigan, but for some reason that doesn't get translated into success in Congressional races.

Some of that isn't too surprising, historically — this is Jerry Ford's old district, after all.

Ford made a career out of being a moderate and successfully keeping radical conservatives under control by giving them some of what they wanted, running things by consensus rather than based on core ideological principle. I know from experience how Ford worked hard to keep the Dutch business leaders happy, knowing they'd keep their Christian Reformed and Reformed Church in America pastors under control, and thereby prevent too many problems coming out of the pews. Ford faced one serious revolt over Christian education, and he ended up co-opting the leaders of the revolt by getting them involved in mainstream Republican Party politics.

That was a really smart move on Ford's part, and it was typical of how he operated, knowing that conservatives get really angry but once the anger subsides, they generally don't have the staying power to mount a successful long-term campaign to get rid of someone.

More recently, the Dutch Reformed have actually been operating the levers of power rather than being co-opted by mainstream Republican leaders. The problem has been that the wrong Dutch people were pulling the levers, people who no longer represented the core conservative Christian commitments of their heritage.

Here are two examples.

Rep. Amash’s predecessor, Rep. Vern Ehlers, was a member of one of the most liberal congregations in the Christian Reformed Church. He was a bookish former college science professor, not a fighter for conservative causes. His predecessor, Rep. Paul Henry, was the son of noted evangelical leader Carl F.H. Henry, and a member of a powerful and (at the time) fairly conservative downtown Christian Reformed congregation. Personally I liked Rep. Henry and didn't have a problem with him, but he was regarded as simply “too nice” by a lot of hard-core conservatives.

Pay attention, guys. This is a case study in how conservatives get co-opted by mainstream Republican elements. My guess is that if the national GOP gets sick and tired of Amash, they'll find a reasonably compliant pro-life conservative Christian candidate to run in the primary against Amash. The core demographics of his district do not support Amash’s positions and that makes him vulnerable.

129 posted on 12/07/2012 7:22:38 AM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: darrellmaurina
I agree with your opinion on the role of federal and state government. In theory you are correct. But good luck convincing the benefits dependent electorate they should accept welfare and SS being gutted to balance the budget while defense spending remains untouched.
For the time being the priority, as I see it, is to cut spending and size of government. I don’t think this is achievable because there are too many factions trying to protect their favorite programs. If there is any chance for this to work everyone will have to take a hit. I’m not suggesting that defense should be the whipping boy. Ideally some (many) programs would be eliminated entirely and the ones that remain would take equal cuts as a percentage. Based on the nature of politics I believe this is the best we can hope for.
I also don’t believe that most democrats want to gut defense, they also enjoy that flavor of pork, it’s simply a matter of priorities. There isn’t enough to go around anymore. I was stationed at New London during the last round of BRAC. As one might expect the New England liberals did not appreciate the military being there much. You would not believe how quickly they can change their tune and the amount of ass kissing that went on after that base ended up on the BRAC list.
130 posted on 12/07/2012 1:22:40 PM PST by Roland
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To: Christie at the beach

Christie at the beach, do you think defaulting on the debt is a real solution?

IMO, the House should have passed a “metered” debt limit increase, which would have gradually increased the debt limit, month by month, by large enough to prevent default, but small enough to keep the squeeze on for fiscal responsibility. But to oppose ANY debt limit increase at all is completely irresponsible.


131 posted on 12/08/2012 12:44:19 PM PST by ncdave4life
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To: ExSoldier

Well sir, let me just say, I and you will be on the same side of the barricade, hopefully you will remember enough to train others.

I was not pounding my chest.

“A people unwilling to use extreme violent force to obtain or preserve their liberty deserves the tyrants that rule them.” Franklin


132 posted on 12/10/2012 1:46:44 PM PST by stockpirate (Democrrats stole the election via fraud, we will never have a free election again.)
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To: stockpirate
hopefully you will remember enough to train others.

As an NRA certified Firearms Instructor these last 25 years, I have trained many MANY others. A lot of them have come back to me after their basic concealed firearms permit classes, to request other sorts of training that are of a more ... specialized nature shall we say...

No hard feelings....

133 posted on 12/10/2012 6:22:14 PM PST by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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To: ExSoldier

My daughter was on a NRA rifle team in High School in VA, she trained with Gunny Sgt, Quantral of the Marine sniper team.

No hard feelings...


134 posted on 12/11/2012 7:14:58 PM PST by stockpirate (Mooshell Obama will run for POTUS in 2016.......)
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