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Ryan, Rubio Seek Party Rebranding
WSJ ^ | 04 Dec 2012 | Neil King Jr.

Posted on 12/04/2012 6:38:07 PM PST by Theoria

Two of the Republican Party's most prominent voices, Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin and Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, laid out their visions for broadening the GOP's economic message in dual speeches Tuesday, as conservatives seek new moorings in the aftermath of Mitt Romney's presidential defeat last month.

The speeches revealed Mr. Ryan and Mr. Rubio—respectively, the party's most recent vice-presidential nominee and a freshman senator seen as a rising star—moving briskly to rebrand both themselves and their party at a time of debate and introspection over how to steer the GOP in a new direction.

The men, both seen as potential 2016 presidential hopefuls, used a packed awards dinner hosted by the Jack Kemp Foundation to lay out their views on the role of government in strengthening the middle class and assisting the poor.

Mr. Ryan's speech was his first since his loss as part of the GOP presidential ticket a month ago. Some of their remarks came off as subtle jabs at Mr. Romney and his contention during the campaign that 47% of Americans were irredeemably reliant on government aid.

"Some say that…too manypeople want things from government," said Mr. Rubio, the son of Cuban immigrants. "But I am still convinced that the overwhelming majority of our people just want what my parents had: a chance."

Mr. Ryan noted that the late Mr. Kemp—his onetime mentor, a congressman and a predecessor as a GOP vice-presidential nominee—"hated the idea that any part of America could be written off."

Conservatives have criticized the Romney campaign for focusing so heavily on small-business owners and for not making a convincing case for how his ideas would benefit the poor and the working class.

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TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections; US: Florida; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: 2016; 2016election; election2016; florida; gop; marcorubio; paulryan; rubio; ryan; wisconsin
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Ya can watch the rebranding over on C-SPAN.

Kemp Foundation: Leadership Award Dinner with Rep. Paul Ryan & Sen. Marco Rubio

1 posted on 12/04/2012 6:38:14 PM PST by Theoria
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To: Theoria

We need a new party. The GOPe would rather lose than win the right way.


2 posted on 12/04/2012 6:39:52 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state." - Cornelius Tacitus, Roman Senator)
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To: Theoria

Oh my Holy H***. A “re-branding”???? Therein lies the problem. They think it’s a product like a floor cleaner and not a Political Party.


3 posted on 12/04/2012 6:43:06 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The difficulty of forming a third party was illustrated by the treatment of Freepers who spoke disparagingly of Romney during this past election cycle. “We” talk tough now but “we” folded like a cheap suit recently.


4 posted on 12/04/2012 6:45:15 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: gorush

I say a new party.

Or else the existing GOP turns a 180, on a dime, and comes out in support of American jobs.

Which isn’t likely.

(or is it?)


5 posted on 12/04/2012 6:48:10 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Theoria
rebranding my ass!!!

I want to be in control of the fire and the iron.... Does anyone in Rhino_HQ give a rat's ass?

6 posted on 12/04/2012 6:48:16 PM PST by ptsal (E)
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To: Theoria

Eat the Poor (tm)


7 posted on 12/04/2012 6:49:25 PM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: RIghtwardHo

Yup. Too many simply think this is ‘politics as usual.

Screw ‘rebranding’ and screw the GOP. Conservatives need to separate from them.

The GOP is nothing more than the new Judenrat to the MarxoFascists - helping them purge from politics, any Conservative voice.

The GOP are Collaborators with the enemy, nothing is worth salvaging or ‘rebranding’.

The party is ‘dead’ to Conservatives and they made that point abundantly clear beginning on Tuesday at the RNC in August - and then this past week with Boehner stripping Conservatives of their committee chairs.

We need to be thinking past elections anyway. We’re under enemy occupation.

We better start thinking like it.


8 posted on 12/04/2012 6:49:56 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Mr. Rubio, Mr. Ryan, I do not care what you do, because no matter what you do America loses.

Good luck in getting others to vote for you, because I’m not going to.

Until someone stands for the values that I was taught when I grew up, then I’m not interested, and I do not care what happens to this country, because it is no longer the country I once knew.


9 posted on 12/04/2012 6:50:37 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: gorush
folded like a cheap suit

Cheap SLUT is the proper way to type the description, right?

. Just plain inexpensive....

10 posted on 12/04/2012 6:50:51 PM PST by ptsal (E)
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To: RIghtwardHo; ptsal; INVAR
Re-branding was the media's title so don't get too incensed.

Rubio, Ryan said no such thing.

11 posted on 12/04/2012 6:53:57 PM PST by what's up
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To: Theoria

Turd by any other name is still a turd.


12 posted on 12/04/2012 6:56:24 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: Theoria

Conservatives need to open their eyes, for once.

The GOP isn’t rebranding, they are doing what they’ve done for decades, ignore the Conservatives because we have nowhere else to go. They demonstrated this again by kicking Conservatives from committees.

This Conservative left the GOP years ago, because I’m not an idiot. It’s passed time ALL Conservatives leave the GOP and start a new party. It’s our only chance. If that destroys the GOP, good, that’s a nice start. If that means more Dems get elected in the next cycles or two, so be it. Things will fall part quickly, but that will happen regardless. We may as well get it over with so we can start over.


13 posted on 12/04/2012 6:57:49 PM PST by Sporke (USS Iowa BB-61)
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To: Theoria

If we’re all going after the same crowd, then, a re-branding is mandatory.

So, may I suggest:

“The Party Formerly Known as the Republican Party”?

Or, “Not So Conservative Anymore Party”

Or, “If You Can’t Beat Them, Join Them Party”

Or, “It’s The Only Way To Get Them To Love Us Party”

Or, “The Less Liberal Wing of The Democratic Party”

Or, “We’re Doomed Without the 47% Party”.


14 posted on 12/04/2012 6:58:31 PM PST by adorno (Y)
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To: what's up
Re-branding was the media's title so don't get too incensed. Rubio, Ryan said no such thing.

Hey! You're interrupting a rolling vent with facts.
15 posted on 12/04/2012 7:01:53 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Theoria

I wonder what Messrs. Ryan and Rubio think about Boehner’s purges of conservatives from House finance committees. Don’t rebrand, RELOCATE!


16 posted on 12/04/2012 7:04:15 PM PST by j_tull
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To: adorno

Or, “We Wonder What Obama Has Promised Boehner Party”?


17 posted on 12/04/2012 7:05:23 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: RIghtwardHo

The voters are the brand— if they can string together two sentences and voice their fiscal aim, which unifies the electorate and whom have no interest in going the way of Greece.

Start there, and don’t blow it after that. Address the occuring collapse. Nothing else sees the light of day without saving America first, from collapse.

THAT, is the brand.


18 posted on 12/04/2012 7:07:39 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: what's up

But they are playing the media’s game again. I know this won’t happen, but either the GOP or a third party needs to specify their exact plan and budget for the next election. Then find people or incumbants to run on that.

And step one is to withdraw from the House GOP caucus and force out Bayner. Now.

Repeat: won’t happen. Rubio and Ryan aren’t doing any of that.

We can no longer look to DC to solve this mess.


19 posted on 12/04/2012 7:08:01 PM PST by ReaganGeneration2
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To: Resettozero

LOL!


20 posted on 12/04/2012 7:10:11 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; All

Um... do we not KNOW the history of the GOP? We WERE the ‘Third Party’ formed in 1854 and we’re the b@stards that GOT Abraham Lincoln elected!!

Some days Freepers simply amaze me. Uneducated d@mn fools, LOL!

But, by all means, let’s form ANOTHER party and start all over again because I’m FINISHED with this one!

And THIS TIME - let’s get it the hell RIGHT from here to ETERNITY (which is pretty much right around the corner!)

Torches and Pitchforks at the ready! :)


21 posted on 12/04/2012 7:13:50 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: ReaganGeneration2
No, they're not playing the media's game.

Ryan's budget already got passed in the House. It's the Senate that didn't move on it.

22 posted on 12/04/2012 7:14:41 PM PST by what's up
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To: ReaganGeneration2
We can no longer look to DC to solve this mess.

Not in this century yet; nope. Ain't happening. The worst part is that many voters no longer believe those guys and gals are willing or able to protect America from all enemies.
23 posted on 12/04/2012 7:15:10 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Theoria

We already have, how many third parties? 50? 100? How is another going to fix the problem?

Most won’t get off the keyboard to fix the current one, so exactly how will the new one be successful?


24 posted on 12/04/2012 7:16:10 PM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! [You can vote Democrat when you're dead]...)
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To: Resettozero
Facts don't seem to matter much here anymore.

Pretty much whatever the MSM baits the right with is swallowed.

25 posted on 12/04/2012 7:16:57 PM PST by what's up
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Good luck with the Jeb Bush thing, because it will come to pass.

Even if he wins, he'll just drive in the last nails of our Agenda 21 coffin.

26 posted on 12/04/2012 7:17:20 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state." - Cornelius Tacitus, Roman Senator)
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To: Free Vulcan
Most won’t get off the keyboard to fix the current one, so exactly how will the new one be successful?

There comes a day when you just have to trade for another truck whether you want to or not.
27 posted on 12/04/2012 7:19:23 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Theoria

They just can’t see that the GOP is one dead animal and cannot be revived. Someone put it perfectly, it’s like “putting lipstick on a corpse.”


28 posted on 12/04/2012 7:27:22 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: Resettozero

One doesn’t generally buy a truck with no engine or transmission and think they’re ahead of the game.


29 posted on 12/04/2012 7:27:35 PM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! [You can vote Democrat when you're dead]...)
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To: what's up
Pretty much whatever the MSM baits the right with is swallowed.

You might be encouraged if you could actually see the number of conservatives who do not depend on the MSM for news or entertainment. I find more and more these past three years or so.

All FReepers might be encouraged if they knew that broadcast advertising does not really work as well as it did in the past. Not by a significantly long shot. Ad agencies want to keep that a secret as much as possible.
30 posted on 12/04/2012 7:28:28 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: OldPossum

And it’s lips just fell off.


31 posted on 12/04/2012 7:32:03 PM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: Theoria

I want to thank you for this post. I still have not had TV news on since election night. We are on dangerous ground on whom to trust among ensconced politicians any way associated with the treacherous Establishment who are actively coalescing around silencing the base.

They are actively seeking to broaden their base elsewhere, obviously, in order to make up for losing conservatives.

I happen to believe that the only visible action at the moment has been only among Libertarians, who bothered to create push back, friction and aggressive tactics and actually held the line. They are fiscal and constitutional zealots who will be a force.

Our wing simply discusses the problem. We are no force at all, and less of one alone without the Libertarians. We need to allign together. And quick.


32 posted on 12/04/2012 7:35:59 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Free Vulcan
One doesn’t generally buy a truck with no engine or transmission and think they’re ahead of the game.

I'm trying to think what your response might mean but it doesn't compute. Did you miss my point? Sometimes, you have to get a working vehicle in order to go places and do work. Sometimes, when someone is not doing their job, you've got to let them go. Thanks, Clint.

The current leaders of the Republican Party have failed conservatives repeatedly and do not warrant our continued support. The methodology of how to best replace them will be discussed on many FR threads in the time to come. All options should be on the table.
33 posted on 12/04/2012 7:38:02 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Theoria
Oh, yeah drag these two politicians out there so the blinded republicans follow them.

No, thanks!

34 posted on 12/04/2012 7:43:36 PM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt. Our nation's foundation is under attack.)
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To: Resettozero

All lawful options should be on the table.


35 posted on 12/04/2012 7:43:45 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero

And all it will be is discussion. There won’t be a plan put to paper, much less put into action.


36 posted on 12/04/2012 7:45:48 PM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! [You can vote Democrat when you're dead]...)
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To: Resettozero
who do not depend on the MSM for news or entertainment

Problem is...on FR for example they still jump at the bait offered by a lot of MSM articles.

37 posted on 12/04/2012 7:48:02 PM PST by what's up
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To: Free Vulcan

Okay, you convince me. It’s futile. Good night all.


38 posted on 12/04/2012 7:48:03 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero

Oh no, it’s not futile, but it’s not going to happen at FR. Other venues yes, but not here.


39 posted on 12/04/2012 7:52:15 PM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! [You can vote Democrat when you're dead]...)
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To: RitaOK

“Discussing” is all that Rubio and Ryan are doing. That’s the media’s game. Talk and talk, get reported on, get web ads, get ratings, get contributions, get another trip to Iowa and an interview on Hannity.

If Ryan and Rubio actually believed people voted for them for ACTION, theyd pass Ryan’s budget (I know, again) and push out the Speaker, defund Zerocare, kill the AMT forever, go home... Instead, the intrigue and phony deadlines and speeches get the ratings and the coverage. And the cash.


40 posted on 12/04/2012 7:53:34 PM PST by ReaganGeneration2
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
We need a new party. The GOPe would rather lose than win the right way.

You're right as rain. There are MILLIONS of us who are ready for a THIRD PARTY and right NOW.

41 posted on 12/04/2012 7:56:16 PM PST by VideoDoctor
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Do you have a plan to get where you want to go with a new party? I say it’s impossible but if you can lay out a logical strategy, I’m willing to listen.


42 posted on 12/04/2012 7:58:32 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: VideoDoctor
Sarah Palin is the only person who could start one.
43 posted on 12/04/2012 8:00:00 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state." - Cornelius Tacitus, Roman Senator)
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To: chris37
So let me get this right, did you stay home and not vote for Romney? If you did and now we're saddled with this disaster and you're cursing where we are, I say, you helped build this and now you want to crab about it.

I do not like this mob mentality here on FR. You will never get where you want to go by everyone going off in their own direction. It won''t work so like it or not, stop and think.

44 posted on 12/04/2012 8:01:34 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Photobucket New Party... Maybe call it the American Party.
45 posted on 12/04/2012 8:01:50 PM PST by baddog 219
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Well first off, we need a contrast.

I say position #1 is jobs.

Not unions though. Jobs. Jobs. Jobs.

That is a very important start.

It gets more dicey when considering how that can be done. I would support tariffs but I know a lot of people will complain (big) about that.


46 posted on 12/04/2012 8:03:08 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

But you’re going to need the exact same people unless you think some new ones are going to drop down from heaven.


47 posted on 12/04/2012 8:04:01 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: ReaganGeneration2

There you go, in a nut shell. The media demands are entrenched around their God, cash, just as you say. The pundits therein agree to assist in that endeavour. Very sad.

I’m done with it, short of a real resistance appearing on the horizon.
So far........crickets.


48 posted on 12/04/2012 8:09:44 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: VideoDoctor
I agree, we need to split. I had a call from the NRCC asking for money yesterday and I told them H*** NO, for all they provide is a bunch of mealy mouth RINOs who don't know how to fight or what to fight for (except to help the Dims). I'm finished with these pussies within the Republican circle. They are no different than the Dims, except for the Dims you know where they are going, the RINOs are using a circular route to get to the same destination which is their socialistic ideology.
49 posted on 12/04/2012 8:24:17 PM PST by grcuster
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To: Theoria

Clueless RINO File, DUH.


50 posted on 12/04/2012 8:38:16 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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