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JIM DEMINT, LEADER OF THE RESISTANCE?
Human Events ^ | 12/04/2012 | John Hayward

Posted on 12/04/2012 7:04:35 PM PST by SeekAndFind

The "fiscal cliff" drama presents opportunities for leadership, which is something the Republican Party naturally seeks, following a difficult election loss. Among those bidding for the leadership of the conservative resistance is Senator Jim DeMint (R-SC), who issued a tough statement about House Speaker John Boehner's instantly rejected compromise proposal:

Speaker Boehner's $800 billion tax hike will destroy American jobs and allow politicians in Washington to spend even more, while not reducing our $16 trillion debt by a single penny. This isn't rocket science. Everyone knows that when you take money out of the economy, it destroys jobs, and everyone knows that when you give politicians more money, they spend it. This is why Republicans must oppose tax increases and insist on real spending reductions that shrink the size of government and allow Americans to keep more of their hard-earned money.

Big government is the cause of our debt crisis, not the solution. Washington has a spending addiction that is shackling our children and grandchildren with unsustainable debt. Conservatives fought for a balanced budget amendment last year precisely because we knew the political establishment in Washington would never stop their tax and spend addiction without it. However, if neither party leadership is going to put forward a serious plan to balance the budget and pay down the debt, we should end this charade. We can stop the fiscal cliff with the bill that House Republicans already passed that simply extends the current tax rates and replaces the defense cuts with reductions in wasteful spending.

(Emphases mine.) Curiously, I noticed that a great many media sources quoted the first highlighted passage from DeMint’s statement… but virtually none of them quoted the second part, where he reminds everyone that he put his shoulders behind a plan that really would have solved our deficit crisis, the Cut, Cap and Balance Act. At one point during Washington’s previous ”budget ceiling” Muppet show, DeMint said he was only a votes shy of getting Cut, Cap, and Balance through the Senate. It was killed with parliamentary manuevers in the Senate – you know, stuff like the filibuster that becomes a menace to democracy when Republicans do it, but is the very essence of patriotism in Democrat hands.

Cut, Cap and Balance proponents – and their even more dour brethren, the “leave the debt ceiling in place” crew – correctly predicted that Washington’s political machinery would end up producing a meaningless “deal” that didn’t really cut spending, but left us with even more unsustainable debt. They could not have been more correct. The result of the last debt ceiling drama was the Budget Control Act of 2011, which “controlled” the deficit in the same sense that a little kid in seat 34C with a plastic dashboard is “controlling” the airplane he’s riding on.

DeMint also makes a point that more reporters should be asking President Obama and his surrogates: if the national debt is no big deal, and a few billion in spending here and there amounts to mere pocket change, why not just extend the entire Bush tax rate package for another year and have a longer, more serious discussion about what to do next? DeMint has long expressed his misgivings about making historic decisions during the artificially-induced panic of a lame-duck session. Surely Uncle Sam’s credit cards can handle a little more debt, while we take our time to formulate a rational plan and build a national consensus behind it – a process that must inevitably include making those dependent upon government programs comfortable with significant reductions. Running up the national credit card was not even a momentary consideration when it came to passing ObamaCare, was it? That crazy thing blows the deficit even higher with every passing month, but for some reason Democrats only slip on their green eyeshades when it’s time to count the money Americans don’t send to Washington.

Senator DeMint also delivered some solid resistance to the silly notion of a revenue-starved Washington via Twitter on Tuesday, as noted by CNN:

DeMint added his voice to the fray Tuesday morning with a tweet critical of the House Republican proposal, which included an extension of the Bush-era tax breaks as well as accomplishing $2.2 trillion in savings, among them $600 billion in non-entitlement spending cuts and $800 billion in “health savings.”

He tweeted: “Speaker Boehner’s offer of an $800 billion tax hike will destroy jobs and allow politicians in Washington to spend even more.”

The Palmetto State Republican defended his stance, saying, “This federal government doesn’t need more money.”

“This country needs less federal government. We’re gonna be near historic highs of tax revenues in Washington this year. More money than we’ve ever had. So it’s not a revenue problem, it’s a spending problem,” he said.

He chided Republicans, saying “this is not a time to negotiate with ourselves” and describing Obama’s proposal as “outlandish.”

“This is a time to work together where we can, but it’s clear that what Obama wants is not a solution to our deficit problem, because his proposal doesn’t even come close, and it’s not a plan at all,” DeMint said.

DeMint has repeatedly said he doesn’t plan to seek another term in the Senate come 2016, and in the opinion of some observers, has lately sounded a bit more amenable to the idea of running for President instead. The Senate is, at least in theory, more likely to yield a candidate with durable national appeal and fundraising prowess than the House; the current President was a Senator first, after all.

But Senators make the sort of public statements that come back to haunt them, too, and no Republican senator is ever going to get the blank slate handed to Barack Obama when he decided on a White House run. DeMint’s tough talk on the fiscal cliff over the past few days has been tempered by something he said two months, one presidential election, and several political epochs ago, to Bloomberg News:

“You can’t get a deal with Obama without raising taxes on the producing class of folks,” said South Carolina Senator Jim DeMint, a leader of the limited-spending Tea Party movement. “We might as well cut a deal,” he said. “If Republicans want to maintain the defense, we’re going to have to give tax increases to Obama.”

Today Senator Charles Schumer of New York, the Senate’s third-ranking Democrat, said DeMint’s comments may signal an end to congressional gridlock. “When Jim DeMint is suddenly open to revenues, you know the tide is turning,” said Schumer.

DeMint’s office didn’t immediately return a phone call seeking comment, though a report on Politico.com said DeMint clarified that, while a tax increase would be necessary to get a deal with Obama, he would personally “never” support it.

It doesn’t really sound as if DeMint’s initial quote – the one that made Chuck Schumer giddy – was just academic speculation about something he would never actually support, since he used phrases like “we might as well cut a deal.” His later clarification, interpreted literally, means he would never cut a deal – he would never agree to the one thing he believes Obama will never stop demanding. At the time, he was talking about avoiding the sequestration defense cuts; he could fairly say that the election, and President Obama’s subsequent irresponsible behavior, has changed the discussion.

It sounds as if DeMint is putting considerable effort into making himself crystal clear on that point. It’s about time someone of stature spoke up loud and clear for the one idea that always works, which is of course the only idea that doesn’t seem to be on the table: cutting taxes, to reduce the burden government places upon the private sector, while trimming the federal government down to something America can actually afford.

 

 

 



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 112th; conservative; fiscalcliff; jimdemint

1 posted on 12/04/2012 7:04:38 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Paul Abrams of Huffington Post just posted a critique of DeMint’s above statement here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-abrams/demints-statement-only-an_b_2239470.html

Anybody care to respond to this?

EXCERPT:

Perhaps the most amusing phrase is, “this isn’t rocket science,” although apparently for Mr. DeMint it is. In the very same sentence when he talks about taxes ‘taking money out of the economy,’ he turns right around and chastises politicians for spending it!

And where, pray tell, does rocket-scientist DeMint think this money is spent? On Newt Gingrich’s moon colony?

Let me help him out. We just need him to concentrate for a moment, because this is a tough one, even for a rocket-scientist. That money is spent IN THE ECONOMY, stupid.

Perhaps we need to do this at the first grade level. Since DeMint has been in Congress for so long, he must have experienced at least one round of military base closings.

OK, Jimmy, here is the question: Why does every Member of Congress who has a military base in his district, and every Senator with a military base in his state, do everything they can to prevent the base in her district/his state from being closed?

Here’s a clue: It is the same reason that Paul Ryan (R-WI) writes letters to the administration asking for stimulus funds.

Here’s another clue: It is the same reason defense contractors are worried about cuts in defense spending.

Here’s another clue: It is the same reason that Jon Kyl (R-AZ) got so hot under the collar when Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood suggested that, if he did not like the stimulus, perhaps LaHood ought not to send money to Arizona for selected projects.

I do not want to help you cheat on your test, but the answer is a four-letter word, beginning with “j”, ending with “s”, with the middle two letters also serving as an abbreviation for a doctor who delivers babies.

Not rocket science. Indeed.


2 posted on 12/04/2012 7:08:15 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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Why the Hell is DC Hellbent on spending us to death? This is not representation, it’s the elimination of our financial liberty.


3 posted on 12/04/2012 7:09:47 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I agree wholeheartedly:

“Jobs”.


4 posted on 12/04/2012 7:12:08 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: SeekAndFind
In the very same sentence when he talks about taxes ‘taking money out of the economy,’ he turns right around and chastises politicians for spending it!

I don't even understand his point. It's clear that he doesn't even understand the basics of dinner table level economics. Will he even acknowledge that taking money from people means they spend less money which generate tax revenues. we really have to go back to square 1 with these people.

5 posted on 12/04/2012 7:16:39 PM PST by plain talk
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To: SeekAndFind; upchuck

People here on FR were just trashing him last week. Mark Levin was whinning about him back in Septemeber, now he is smitten again.

I think he is great, but he is not interested in sticking around after 2016, at least not right now.


6 posted on 12/04/2012 7:22:49 PM PST by Perdogg (Rep. Tom McClintock (R-CA4) for President 2016)
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To: SeekAndFind

The GOPe has no intention of letting this great man run for President.

None what so ever.

If he runs third (or in reality second) he has my complete support.

I just can’t force myself to vote GOPe any more.


7 posted on 12/04/2012 7:26:38 PM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: SeekAndFind
Forget any protest in Washington.. The news media needs to be confronted FIRST. They are 0bama's front line and until they're EXPOSED FOR WHAT THEY ARE AND WHO THEY'RE WORKING FOR, nothing will change.

FUCBS, FUNBC, FUABC.. They, along with CNN, MSNBC, and most websites are WHORES for 0bama. We need to track WHO George Soros has funded and is funding. ARGH!!!!

8 posted on 12/04/2012 7:33:06 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: SeekAndFind; DanMiller; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; ...
RE :”DeMint also makes a point that more reporters should be asking President Obama and his surrogates: if the national debt is no big deal, and a few billion in spending here and there amounts to mere pocket change, why not just extend the entire Bush tax rate package for another year and have a longer, more serious discussion about what to do next?”

Alternatively I bet not one Republican who won ran on claiming that the middle class voters taxes MUST GO UP if they cant get tax cut extensions on fractional income earnings over $250K with it signed by Obama.
You know how I know this? Because not one Republican is explicitly saying this now, not even Norqist.

Its coding language : Voting for a bill extending the partial set of tax cuts is now coded as the phrase ‘voting to raise taxes’ because those doing it know this is a loser.

Disarm this weapon from Obama so you can fight him, then he is the one who raised taxes not you. With any luck all the other cliff stuff will slow the economy down and then ya got an argument against raising taxes.

Nothing good can come from the stand above. Why do so many love losing?

9 posted on 12/04/2012 7:33:09 PM PST by sickoflibs (Has Bohner caved yet? And called it historic again?)
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To: SeekAndFind

10 posted on 12/04/2012 7:34:57 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: cableguymn
I just can’t force myself to vote GOPe any more.

Well, that makes you the scum of the earth, and the reason that the empire is crumbling and you have to vote for the GOP-E candidate because your vote either doesn't count, or cost us the republic... take your pick.

I'm right there with you. I don't care what I get called anymore for not voting in lockstep on the way to the gas chambers.

/johnny

11 posted on 12/04/2012 7:35:41 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m reminded of the scene from Braveheart where William Wallace is telling the Scottish Prince, “...the people will follow, they just need someone to lead them.” (or something similar to that)

We the people WANT, NEED one of our elected leaders to LEAD. If only someone would grow some real balls and show some real leadership, they would find a groundswell of support from true conservatives. Unfortunately, it appears that no one is willing to risk their own long term tenure for what is in the best long term intrest of the people of America and liberty itself.

If it comes to pitchforks and mayhem, then I’m ready for that, but I’d still rather follow a true leader then wallow in the chaos of anarchy.


12 posted on 12/04/2012 7:38:40 PM PST by ScubieNuc (When there is no justice in the laws, justice is left to the outlaws.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

exactly. It worked so well for us the last times didn’t it? I almost stayed home but I knew Bachmann needed my vote so I went.

Obama cheated. And Myth folded like a cheap suit.

I am so sick of our one party system. Lets the the crash over with and move on.

I am a little worried about CW2 coming, but I am ready should it turn in to a hot war. (I already think it’s a cold one).


13 posted on 12/04/2012 7:39:05 PM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: SeekAndFind

It really is fairly simple which explains why the libtard at HuffPo doesn’t get it. No one says that the government won’t spend the money collected in tax revenues. The point is, who is a better investor, the private sector or the government? I contend that government almost always spends money on things that the private sector finds unworthy of investing in.

If that premise is accurate, then by definition, taking $1 dollar out of the private sector through taxation to be spent by the government will, on a net basis, reduce economic activity.

Take the $800B stimulus package. It is claimed that the stimulus “created” between 1-3 million jobs. That means that every job created cost between $267k-$800k. Hardly a bargain!

So, the point is not whether the gov’t will spend the money; rather, who will create more economic activity with it? I say, let the private, free market do what it does best — allocate scarce capital to productive investments rather than let the gov’t flush it!


14 posted on 12/04/2012 7:42:44 PM PST by jupiterbob
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m sorry but it’s the same ole same ole. We need someone new. No, I don’t know who that is, but I’m tired of the same faces.


15 posted on 12/04/2012 7:43:08 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: cableguymn
Having done a cold war.. I didn't get a ribbon for it, in my fruit salad, but yeah... it's a cold war.

I'm not happy about the thought of a hot war. But those things happen.

/johnny

16 posted on 12/04/2012 7:48:32 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: SeekAndFind

I sure hope so!

Somebody needs to lead!


17 posted on 12/04/2012 7:55:40 PM PST by Randy Larsen (Aim small, Miss small.)
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To: SeekAndFind

He cannot take on the media and lead a charge to a collision of the 2 party platforms which is what it’s going to take at this point. Has he done it yet? Find a fighter/someone who is going to follow through on reforms and who will have the guts to investigate the corruption.


18 posted on 12/04/2012 8:14:41 PM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt. Our nation's foundation is under attack.)
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To: Randy Larsen
Somebody needs to lead!

Step up to the plate, then.

/johnny

19 posted on 12/04/2012 8:24:16 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: ScubieNuc

We’ve got a guy from Texas who will and is telling how the cow ate the cabbage, but doubtful Bonher or the GOPe will give him the microphone. Representative Louis Gohmert.


20 posted on 12/04/2012 8:27:07 PM PST by X-spurt (Ted Cruz for President of the Republic of Texas)
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To: SeekAndFind

I like DeMint, but let everything burn to the ground.

Out of the ashes, AND from the energy of the conservative people of this country SICK TO DEATH of cowardice, someone will emerge...
but, they’d better be ready to be thoroughly vetted and born from the fire before they get support from me.

I’m sick of being lied to. I don’t care anymore about the republicans...and the media will reap what they have sown.


21 posted on 12/04/2012 8:35:23 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: SeekAndFind; upchuck; Perdogg; All

” - - - “If Republicans want to maintain the defense, we’re going to have to give tax increases to Obama.” - - - - “

RINO-Think: “If we want to win, we must first Cave-In, and then we MUST remember to always lose at all costs.”

Bye-bye DeMint, you are now a useless, sad joke - - - .

____________________________

Coward DeMint, RINO File.


22 posted on 12/04/2012 8:46:49 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: SeekAndFind

THE RESISTANCE?...... A WORD THAT NEEDS repeating


23 posted on 12/04/2012 9:13:37 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: SeekAndFind; jupiterbob

“Anybody care to respond to this?”

Try this from Miltie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hrg1CArkuNc&feature=plcp

Bottom line is that yes the money gets spent either way, but there’s a couple key differences...

1. who gets to spend the money (the producer or the taker?) This has “moral hazard” aspects that are very detrimental to both the economy and society in general (rewards and punishes the wrong behaviors)
2. how effectively is that money spent. This is addressed by another Miltie video - the four types of money.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RDMdc5r5z8


24 posted on 12/04/2012 9:17:25 PM PST by aquila48
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To: jupiterbob
You are absolutely right. The author of this POS seems to think that whether private or public, state or Federal,a dollar is a dollar is a dollar. But we all know that is not true.

With a private funding, the first dollar goes to the development of the product or service and to those who's efforts are required to make it happen. The last person in line for compensation is the person who owns the business or service that is being produced.If the product or service is deemed valuable by the market, the business will continue. As it becomes more successful similar businesses will rush to the market with better, cheaper, faster products and services.

In the bizarro world of public (Federal) spending, the first tax dollar spent by the Federal government is spent on the guaranteed pension plans and benefits of the Federal employees. The second dollar spent by the Federal government is to Federal employees as the bureaucratic filter captures the “cost” of redistributing tax revenue. Subsequent dollars are used with decreasing efficiency as the Federal mindset reinforces failure, not success. If a Federal program is deemed as unsuccessful the cause in almost inevitably that there was too little money spent on it. Witness the War on Poverty. After umpteen trillion dollars spent to eradicate poverty what do we have? More poor people, of course. As for the collision of the public and private sectors, the litany of Solyndra’s over history is too long to mention.

The politics are much more complicated. It seems as if the least dangerous course for Republicans is to pass a one-year extension of the Bush tax cuts in the House, send it to the Senate and adjourn for the year. Let Harry Reid be the one to send us over "the fiscal cliff".

25 posted on 12/04/2012 11:16:49 PM PST by T. Rustin Noone (the angel wanna wear my red shoes......)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Not with my hot temper!

My run would end in a jail term.


26 posted on 12/04/2012 11:29:13 PM PST by Randy Larsen (Aim small, Miss small.)
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To: SeekAndFind

As much as I like this,it is exactly what Obama wants,a Divided Republican Party.


27 posted on 12/05/2012 3:22:15 AM PST by ballplayer
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To: cableguymn
If he runs third (or in reality second) he has my complete support.

I just can’t force myself to vote GOPe any more.

Yep. Maybe the time is ripe for a strong 3rd party.(Tea Party?). Real conservatives have had it with the GOP.

They should buy time on all the alphabet networks every week and get the message out since ABCNBCCBSMSNBCCNN won't regain their integrity anytime soon.

28 posted on 12/05/2012 6:22:13 AM PST by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks like Right-Wing extremism.)
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To: sickoflibs; SeekAndFind; DanMiller; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; ...

” Disarm this weapon from Obama so you can fight him, then he is the one who raised taxes not you. With any luck all the other cliff stuff will slow the economy down and then ya got an argument against raising taxes.”

This is by far, the best option. Actually, the only one.


29 posted on 12/05/2012 7:01:17 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Thanks friend, you and me are tired of this crap and want to see O beaten for a change:)


30 posted on 12/05/2012 7:06:26 AM PST by sickoflibs (Has Bohner caved yet? And called it historic again?)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

“Forget any protest in Washington.. The news media needs to be confronted FIRST. They are 0bama’s front line and until they’re EXPOSED FOR WHAT THEY ARE AND WHO THEY’RE WORKING FOR, nothing will change.

FUCBS, FUNBC, FUABC.. They, along with CNN, MSNBC, and most websites are WHORES for 0bama. We need to track WHO George Soros has funded and is funding. ARGH!!!!”

Yup, I have been saying this now for about 5 years. The SRM are our biggest enemies. IMO even bigger than Obama, because without them covering and cheerleading for him he is nothing. They shape and reinforce the narrative to the sheeple, yet the fing stupid GOP continue to allow them to moderate their debates!! Not enough bad things can personally happen to these Media people, they have and continue to destroy America! I wish the Muslims would issue a fatwa against them!


31 posted on 12/05/2012 7:22:16 AM PST by Batman11 (We came for the chicken sandwiches and a Sweet Tea Party broke out!)
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To: aquila48

ping


32 posted on 12/05/2012 7:56:20 AM PST by Red Boots
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To: Batman11

Public schools are churning out anti-Christian marxists by the millions...


33 posted on 12/05/2012 8:11:53 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Perdogg; alrea; Amanda King; americanophile; Babsig; be-baw; Canticle_of_Deborah; catfish1957; ...
  
Jim
DeMint
Ping!

Want on or off this ping list? GET WITH THE PROGRAM! Just FReepmail me.

Follow Sen. DeMint on Twitter.

34 posted on 12/05/2012 10:13:21 AM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: ballplayer

It is a divided party but not because of obama. You have conservatives on one side and the GOPe somewhat if you can say that with a straight face, fiscally cheap liberals on the other. It has been this way since 1964 and through the prism of the Cold War we won several elections because the Republicans could be counted on in most cases to put country before party especially in foreign policy. That ended after Bush 43 and his Republican majorities in congress went on a spending binge that would normally make a liberal blush.

The conservatives and the cheap fiscal GOPe liberals are totally at odds with their goals for the party and the country. A house divided cannot stand. Either the GOPe liberals leave or the conservatives do. Together as they are now it will never win a national election again.

The Republican party is dead it just doesn’t know it yet. A new party will rise from its demise, but sadly I believe it will come to power too late to save the country. I fear once we spiral into the anarchy that is coming liberal tyranny will take hold and totalitarianism will be the result of the collapse instead of a new republic.

Some may say this is sheer pessimism, hardly, just taking a cold hard look at reality, history and where the country stands and the future looks grim about anyway this goes down.


35 posted on 12/05/2012 11:07:19 AM PST by sarge83
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To: sickoflibs; DanMiller; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy
Disarm this weapon from Obama so you can fight him, then he is the one who raised taxes not you. With any luck all the other cliff stuff will slow the economy down and then ya got an argument against raising taxes. Nothing good can come from the stand above. Why do so many love losing?

No doubt Boehner has this message repeating in his brain: "If I pass a partial extension of the tax cuts for those below $X, then O can either sign it an do a victory dance (and Grover will torture me), or he will veto it and demand something else."

But the latter option, demanding something more (stimulus?), is clearly a riskier position for O than the House doing nothing but bluster, letting the budget control act do its thing.

Similarly, if the senate blocks the partial tax cut, that looks bad for Dems. However, one thing that worries me is that the simple bill gets amended in the senate, and then moves to the Pork-O-Rama bicameral conference, followed by a quick vote before they have time to read the bill.

O could sign the bill and do a victory dance, saying he kept his campaign promise. If the GOP is right about small businesses suffering as a result, that should become evident, although it's not clear to me whether voters understand or care about the economy at this time.

Maybe Boehner will see the light. I am not going to hold my breath. Dems are already rehearsing their talking points (and the media and many public school teachers will echo whatever they say): "Who refused to lower middle class taxes?"

36 posted on 12/05/2012 2:09:33 PM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: sarge83

You wont get an argument from me.


37 posted on 12/05/2012 5:59:22 PM PST by ballplayer
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DanMiller; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; ...
RE :”No doubt Boehner has this message repeating in his brain: “If I pass a partial extension of the tax cuts for those below $X, then O can either sign it an do a victory dance (and Grover will torture me), or he will veto it and demand something else.”

I have already pondered these. If you watch Obama he is only talking about the tax cuts because he wants the voters to think that the rich are all Republicans care about, (and some seem to want to help him at that).
So he is setting things up so Republicans can call his bluff and pass the tax cuts, so then if he demands more Rs can make a big fuss about Obama demands a moving target and O playing with the middle class peoples lives.
So in this it is good that it is dragging out a while.

As far as gloating goes, Dems are going to do that. We have to be tough and stomach it.
But the longer the standoff drags out the more of a victory O can claim, and if Rs hold out like they did on the debt limit then Rs will really be hurt by it, and cave on it too.

I heard on the Dem channel that it is being leaked that Bohner is planning on doing exactly as I been advising, pass the tax cuts and nothing else.

I also heard on both channels that Obama wants to lure Rs into a suicidal confrontation early on so he can crush them with public opinion and they (leadership) will be terrified to stand up to him again, and the R party descends into civil war,
This one could just be Obama trying to psych out Republicans, but I can see it playing out that way too,

38 posted on 12/05/2012 8:14:55 PM PST by sickoflibs (Has Bohner caved yet? And called it historic again?)
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t know who to trust anymore in the GOP but I do know that if Sarah Palin teams up with DeMint or West then I’m in.

Otherwise, I’m done with the republican party.


39 posted on 12/05/2012 8:19:43 PM PST by Randy Larsen (Aim small, Miss small.)
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I heard on the Dem channel that it is being leaked that Bohner is planning on doing exactly as I been advising, pass the tax cuts and nothing else.

That might result (after senate amendments) in a House/senate pork-o-rama conference behind closed doors, followed by a quick vote before they read it.

40 posted on 12/06/2012 6:56:53 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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