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Future of genetically-modified salmon in doubt
CBSNews.com ^ | December 4, 2012 | AP

Posted on 12/04/2012 7:52:42 PM PST by neverdem

Salmon that has been genetically modified to grow twice as fast as normal could soon show up on American dinner plates. That is, if the company that makes the fish can stay afloat.

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Using gene-manipulating technology, Aquabounty adds a growth hormone to the Atlantic salmon from another type of salmon called the Chinook. The process, company executives say, causes its salmon to reach maturity in about two years, compared with three to four years for a conventional salmon.

Aquabounty executives say if their fish are approved for commercial sale, there are several safeguards designed to prevent the fish from escaping and breeding with wild salmon. The salmon are bred as sterile females. They also are confined to pools where the potential for escape would be low: The inland pens are isolated from natural bodies of water...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: fda; gmsalmon; salmon

1 posted on 12/04/2012 7:52:54 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Keta or sockeye, nothing else will do.


2 posted on 12/04/2012 7:55:54 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: neverdem

I believe GM foods have their place (desert cultivation, space travel, etc) but their use in normal environment will screw up the nature’s natural processes. I try to avoid GM as much as possible and go local and organic. Not possible always but you do not overeat the process and modified crap.


3 posted on 12/04/2012 7:59:55 PM PST by sagar
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To: neverdem

“They also are confined to pools where the potential for escape would be low: The inland pens are isolated from natural bodies of water...”

Ohhhh, like we did with jumping asian carp!


4 posted on 12/04/2012 8:10:22 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: neverdem
"there are several safeguards designed to prevent the fish from escaping and breeding with wild salmon."

Isn't that what they said about Killer Bees?

5 posted on 12/04/2012 8:39:58 PM PST by UnwashedPeasant
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To: sagar
I believe GM foods have their place (desert cultivation, space travel, etc) but their use in normal environment will screw up the nature’s natural processes.

Oh, I don't know. Wouldn't it be nice to mix salmon with chicken and produce salmon wings and legs? (We also go organic as much as possible, so I doubt my wife will be feeding me salmon wings!)

6 posted on 12/04/2012 8:41:18 PM PST by roadcat
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To: neverdem
"Aquabounty executives say if their fish are approved for commercial sale, there are several safeguards designed to prevent the fish from escaping and breeding with wild salmon. The salmon are bred as sterile females. They also are confined to pools where the potential for escape would be low: The inland pens are isolated from natural bodies of water..."


7 posted on 12/04/2012 8:53:54 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: neverdem

Hmmn - so, salmon could grow twice as fast. And this is wrong in just what way?


8 posted on 12/04/2012 9:05:13 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."..)
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To: neverdem

No way these salmon don’t taste like watered down shit. I would not eat them. Tilapia either


9 posted on 12/04/2012 9:10:47 PM PST by dennisw
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To: dennisw

I’ll just continue to set my King net in the Yukon come July, they may be getting smaller and lower numbers; but I ain’t going to starve either.


10 posted on 12/04/2012 10:08:16 PM PST by Eska
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To: sagar
I believe GM foods have their place

And it's not on my table if I can help it.

11 posted on 12/05/2012 4:05:47 AM PST by tbpiper
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To: neverdem; Tax-chick
Salmon that has been genetically modified to grow twice as fast as normal could soon show up on American dinner plates.

Expect disappointment just like with those sea monkeys.

12 posted on 12/05/2012 4:19:45 AM PST by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: Eska

Have they determined the causes of the decline yet? On the east coast fish stocks were commercially over-fished and Dem lawmakers such as Gary Studds D-MA, would issue fishing permits to international vessels which weren’t counted in landing totals. Yet when the governments decided to ‘do something’ they set restrictions on recreational fishing and later US commercial fishing. All the while they continued their patronage of foreign commercial interests as they were not subject to US law and oversight.


13 posted on 12/05/2012 4:24:11 AM PST by Justa
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To: neverdem
My wife and I were talking about this last night over supper. I have some experience with GMO crops, none with animals, but in the past these “isolated populations” get into the wild eventually.

Not sure this is a good idea.

14 posted on 12/05/2012 5:17:21 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: GladesGuru

I take it those aren’t natural glades you’re the guru of—or you would have thought through how that could mess up a natural ecosystem.


15 posted on 12/05/2012 5:20:54 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Justa
Same thing is happening in the Bering sea and around Alaska. There is a Pacific Fisheries council that is made up of past Repub politicals and they are bought & paid for by foreign fleets. State of Ak continues to lower sport & subsistence limits while doing nothing about by catch which is the real problem. By catch numbers in the open ocean by fleets far surpass totals all in river fisherman harvest. And that is the by catch numbers the fleets are reporting if you can even believe them.

When the fish stop returning to the Yukon, within a couple years the fleets will disappear too.

16 posted on 12/05/2012 8:46:04 AM PST by Eska
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To: 9YearLurker

You posted: “I take it those aren’t natural glades you’re the guru of—or you would have thought through how that could mess up a natural ecosystem.”

as the above is thoughtful, and has some implied premises, it deserves more than a one liner answer.

Regarding the naturalness of the Everglades, the State of Florida worked with the Army Corps of Engineers to make it a most un-natural of places. While so doing, they took a $400,000,000 “Restoration Project” to above 17 BILLION BUCKS ! ! !

Be assured they do not even know what natural was - probably why they took restoration funds to bring a part back to its 1941 status. Said status was a farm field.

The Armed and Rangerous blew your money removing “invasive plants” and left clean land. What will seed in will not be the Garden of Eden, because that garden was allegedly created by more than mere bureaucraps in uniforms with unlimited access to America’s resources.

By the way, in case you didn’t notice, most of America is now owned by the Gubment. And, the Constitution did not allow such Gubment ownership og land because the Founders understood the essential nature of Man sufficiently well to realize that Gubment can’t and won’;t manage land at all well.

Having established that the Everglades is far from either natural or well managed, it falls upon me to inform you of the following sad news. There is a vanishingly small probability that even the Annointed Won, Lord Chief Obama hissef can create any plausible scenario wherein AgencyPersons will manage land, business, education, banking, or any other human activity with anywhere near the success which pre-Roosevelt America had demonstrated.

Having been a member of the Florida Sierra Club’s Florida Executive Committee (FLEXCOM), I can assure you that “environmental regulations” are crafted to destroy America so that socialism can have its day in the sun.

Got sun block?

Due to the tendency of the socialist sun to burn brightly enough to create scorched habitats, I suggest using nothing less than a S.P.F. of 500.

Got bunker? Either get a deep one of call your travel agent and price travel off-planet. Why off-planet?

Because without America as the defender of freedom, there will be no free world.

Or even a free America.


17 posted on 12/05/2012 8:58:31 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."..)
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To: 9YearLurker; GladesGuru
One hypothesis is that accumulated charcoal from aboriginal burning was pivotal in retaining atmospheric deposition of trace minerals.

Please define "natural."

Please suggest what "natural" might have been in Everglades ca. 1600 AND (more important) how it got that way.

My guess is that your first answer will be functionally inconsistent with the second.

18 posted on 12/05/2012 9:20:09 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: Eska

If the foreign vessels are operating in AK waters you should contact your state’s representative. If the vessels are operating in Federal waters you should contact your AK Congressional representative and/or senator about the actions of Pacific Fisheries council. Then contact the media.

The ‘council’ is likely run as a 501c(3) non-profit which pays it’s members via permitting fees and tax-deductable ‘donations’ from shell companies set up to launder payments made by foreign permit holders.

There are strict IRS reporting requirements for non-profits and its members. The council’s ‘donatations’ payment transfers and permitting fees should be audited for full accounting of finances and authorities to influence permits and quotas.

Also if it is a 501c(3) contact the IRS to question or challenge its status due to funding being actual income from companies associated with the foreign vessels. The financing and assets of council members should be audited by the IRS.

I recommend all of that. They are stealing from the public using foreign interests due to the vessels being outside US tax and reporting jurisdiction. Moreso they are destroying public resources while depriving local, state and federal agencies of tax revenue. State and federal tax agencies shold assist you with this.


19 posted on 12/05/2012 9:24:46 AM PST by Justa
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To: GladesGuru

Ha—so you are an Everglades Guru!

I believe your description of things down there and with the government.


20 posted on 12/05/2012 9:36:41 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Eska

They’re government councils created by the 1976 Magnasun-Stevens act.

http://www.fisherycouncils.org/USFMCsections/USRFMCintro.pdf

The Councils are currently funded within the National Marine Fisheries Service budget from various line items at a level averaging less than $25 million, divided among all the Councils. Based on a comprehensive analysis of funding needed to meet the basic requirements of the Magnuson-Stevens Act and other laws, as well as new requirements set forth by the recent Magnuson-Stevens Act reathorization, the regional Councils would require funding in the order of $40 million per year. In comparison to the $185 billion in economic activity generated from fisheries each year, funding for the Councils is a small investment to ensure healthy oceans and fisheries for future generations.


21 posted on 12/05/2012 9:40:45 AM PST by Justa
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To: Justa
We live on the Yukon 4 miles from border with Canada. Have watched the runs go down, down since I've been here. Govt always screws up with the predictions. Me thinks it's all for the off shore fishing industry. They get everything, by catch is huge. Pretty bad when the by catch they report in open ocean is way bigger than what in river fisherman take for subsistence, commercial, and sport fishing. They always at last minute, when in river fisherman are waiting on the run to begin; announce massive cut backs in hours fishing will be open. I know the runs are going down, but why is it always expected the subsistence fisherman who live off the salmon are the people to take the hit, its corruption plain and simple and sad thing is mostly Repubs in charge.

Over last few years, they have changed net mesh size to let the bigger fish (most desirable for strips and food) to get through into Canada. They have also shortened seasons, couple days at a time rather than a few weeks. They don't want people getting the first pulse, best fish, just on and on. Funny thing is, most the people on the local advisory group have fishwheels and they are not limited except by open/closed days; they get what they need. So it's ok to them to change mesh sizes, doesn't affect them. But then they often let people without wheels tend their wheels after they got enough, 2-3 thou salmon; but I wonder how long until they never get enough. Actually , I wonder when they will tell people to just shoot their dogs and go hungry while they permit foreign fleets to get everything in open ocean? People won't starve, they'll ignore the rules if they must.

I remember when we'd get 10-20 kings a night in net, lucky now to get 2, just more work to get the 10-20,few hundred or thousand if you feed dogs. I have seen log books from late 40's, they'd get 500 kings a night in a fishwheel. Never see those days ever again.

Personally, I get 5-6 kings in freezer and concentrate on burbot with my trot lines; since I got rid of my dog team.

We live rural, and our road is closed, don't get too involved with anything, figure the corruption is too pervasive; more money will get whatever the fleets want anyway. When the runs disappear, the fleets will go away; this also happened 100 years back with nets across entire streams.

22 posted on 12/05/2012 12:30:06 PM PST by Eska
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To: 9YearLurker

Down in the “Swamp of Socialism” the faulty premises have been acted out on such a grand scale for so long, with such disastrous consequences, that the invalid conclusions are impossible to not see - unless one is willfully not seeing.

“In the Valley of the Blind, the One Eyed Man is King”.

I am glad you liked the observations, and thanks for the complement.


23 posted on 12/05/2012 11:19:35 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."..)
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To: chris37

The funniest thing about salmon is there’s no bad salmon. It’s all good.


24 posted on 12/06/2012 1:27:54 PM PST by muawiyah
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