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United 787 Loses Speed and Lands Early
nyt ^ | December 4, 2012 | CHRISTOPHER DREW and JAD MOUAWAD

Posted on 12/04/2012 7:54:30 PM PST by Red Steel

A new Boeing 787 Dreamliner flown by United Airlines was diverted in midflight to New Orleans on Tuesday because of concern about a possible mechanical problem.

The plane was headed to Newark from Houston when it descended over a 10-minute span to 31,000 feet from 41,000 feet and slowed to 480 miles an hour from 655, according to FlightAware.com, a data provider.

The plane, which carried 174 passengers and 10 crew members, then rapidly recovered its speed and turned sharply to the south over Mississippi, according to the Web site’s flight log.

After the incident, United, the first North American carrier to fly the new planes, was examining one of the jet’s generators, units that provide electrical power to the plane’s engines, according to a person with knowledge of the situation.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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1 posted on 12/04/2012 7:54:37 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

Sounds hairy. Do the Dreamliners regularly fly at 41? I remember riding on one of the original 727’s on a demo flight in 1964, and they took it up to 40, but throughout the service of that model, through the stretch and QC’s, they rarely flew over 36 or 38. Control surfaces start to get mighty thin, mighty fast, way up past the sweet spot. Starts taking a lot more fuel, too.


2 posted on 12/04/2012 8:01:37 PM PST by Prospero
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To: Red Steel

There’s only two kinds of plastic........


3 posted on 12/04/2012 8:02:05 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

I wouldn’t think plastic would give much protection, even in a “minor” crash.


4 posted on 12/04/2012 8:08:00 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Prospero
The figure that struck me was 655mph.My understanding is that commercial aircraft seldom exceed 525mph.I certainly could be wrong or the 655 is a misprint.
5 posted on 12/04/2012 8:09:20 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: Red Steel

Pilots no longer fly, they are flight systems managers. A “seat of the pants” pilot would have overridden the changes and flown the plane.


6 posted on 12/04/2012 8:11:09 PM PST by pfflier
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To: pfflier

A pilot once told me he liked flying the 727’s since it was less computer automated. I think it required a 3rd crewman as the flight navigator.


8 posted on 12/04/2012 8:15:06 PM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: Red Steel

And while all this was happening, what was the crew doing; playing canasta? Or were they maybe playing a friendly game of grab-ass with the flight attendants?!


9 posted on 12/04/2012 8:15:43 PM PST by Tucker39
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To: Prospero
Sounds hairy.

Hairy is picking up fingertips in glove tips and putting them in black garbage bags.

Hairy is large smoking holes.

Landing safely is not hairy. It's good.

/johnny

10 posted on 12/04/2012 8:16:38 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: pfflier
Pilots no longer fly, they are flight systems managers. <<<

Suush!

(Dont mind me.....I'm old school..*W*)

11 posted on 12/04/2012 8:20:36 PM PST by M-cubed
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To: Tucker39

Former Air Force and Navy pilots should be given top preference for being pilots of commercial aircraft IMHO. Unless this criteria is already in place?


12 posted on 12/04/2012 8:21:08 PM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: Red Steel

What is the cruise speed of a Boeing 787?

Answer:
Mach 0.89 Which is also 677 MPH

Actually it’s cruise speed was originally supposed to be Mach 0.89 as the 7E7, as the 787 it is Mach 0.85. Basically 5% faster then the 767 and most airliners, and 20% less fuel burn. Other interesting points are it is composite, which gives some great benefits for passengers.

It’s way easier on your ears as it can pressurize 60% higher, much better when you have a cold or sensitive ear canals.

One of the other stress’s of today’s jet traveler, all the air is humidified so much less dehydration. Other metal aircraft don’t do this.

Turbulence is minimized by a state of the art turbulence mitigation system.


13 posted on 12/04/2012 8:23:12 PM PST by 23 Everest (When seconds count. The police are just 23 minutes away. 831 Bonnie)
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To: Red Steel

What is the cruise speed of a Boeing 787?

Answer:
Mach 0.89 Which is also 677 MPH

Actually it’s cruise speed was originally supposed to be Mach 0.89 as the 7E7, as the 787 it is Mach 0.85. Basically 5% faster then the 767 and most airliners, and 20% less fuel burn. Other interesting points are it is composite, which gives some great benefits for passengers.

It’s way easier on your ears as it can pressurize 60% higher, much better when you have a cold or sensitive ear canals.

One of the other stress’s of today’s jet traveler, all the air is humidified so much less dehydration. Other metal aircraft don’t do this.

Turbulence is minimized by a state of the art turbulence mitigation system.


14 posted on 12/04/2012 8:23:36 PM PST by 23 Everest (When seconds count. The police are just 23 minutes away. 831 Bonnie)
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To: JRandomFreeper

LMAO!..J Random!!..I thought you were just a cook!

Wanna write a book?


15 posted on 12/04/2012 8:25:35 PM PST by M-cubed
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To: JRandomFreeper

Any landing you can walk away from is a good one!


16 posted on 12/04/2012 8:25:43 PM PST by 23 Everest (When seconds count. The police are just 23 minutes away. 831 Bonnie)
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To: tflabo

Third crewmember was the flight engineer.


17 posted on 12/04/2012 8:30:29 PM PST by pfflier
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To: Tucker39
And while all this was happening, what was the crew doing; playing canasta? Or were they maybe playing a friendly game of grab-ass with the flight attendants?!

I have no doubt that they were clicking through menus the whole time.

≤}B^)

18 posted on 12/04/2012 8:30:41 PM PST by Erasmus (Zwischen des Teufels und des tiefen, blauen Meers)
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To: tflabo
Former Air Force and Navy pilots should be given top preference for being pilots of commercial aircraft IMHO.<<

My opinion too...But the guys that “really” flew and lived...Have no interest..I could write a book about them...

19 posted on 12/04/2012 8:31:30 PM PST by M-cubed
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To: Sun

Composite materials today are quite strong. Formula car tubs are made from them and they provide good crash protection.


20 posted on 12/04/2012 8:32:17 PM PST by phormer phrog phlyer
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To: Gay State Conservative

Usually fly faster than 525 mph.

For example, a typical flight from Dallas/Fort Worth en route to Madrid, Spain.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL36


21 posted on 12/04/2012 8:37:07 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: 23 Everest

I’ve taken off in hundreds of aircraft but have landed in them less than ten times.


22 posted on 12/04/2012 8:40:14 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Red Steel

Look for the union label on those generators.


23 posted on 12/04/2012 8:42:31 PM PST by ExxonPatrolUs (The Ameritopian Motto: Gov The Sheeple, Buy The Sheeple, Bore The Sheeple)
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To: gorush
I’ve taken off in hundreds of aircraft but have landed in them less than ten times.

There's a sure sign of conginital insanity.

Anyone jumps from a perfectly good aircraft that isn't on fire and spinning toward the ground either needs therapy or to join the Airborne.

/johnny

24 posted on 12/04/2012 8:49:16 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Any time you can walk away.....


25 posted on 12/04/2012 8:52:17 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: JRandomFreeper

I beg to differ and I chew my nails.


26 posted on 12/04/2012 8:52:48 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: gorush

I hope you pack your own chutes! lol


27 posted on 12/04/2012 8:58:29 PM PST by 23 Everest (When seconds count. The police are just 23 minutes away. 831 Bonnie)
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To: Tucker39

“Or were they maybe playing a friendly game of grab-ass with the flight attendants?!”

YES! LOL


28 posted on 12/04/2012 9:10:19 PM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: 23 Everest

“What is the cruise speed of a Boeing 787?”

Is that a European Boeing 787 or an African Boeing 787? /sorry, getting late and a bit punchy.


29 posted on 12/04/2012 9:16:00 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (George W. Bush is the Emmanuel Goldstein of the modern era.)
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To: Prospero

>> Control surfaces start to get mighty thin, mighty fast, way up past the sweet spot.

Yeah, maybe you could ask retired TWA pilot “Hoot” Gibson about that ...


30 posted on 12/04/2012 9:16:39 PM PST by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: Sun

And neither will conventional foil covered mobiles. Crash worthy is not in the job description of any commercial craft, except possibly to survive one belly flop sans landing gear well enough for the passengers to get out before being carted to the bone yard.


31 posted on 12/04/2012 9:25:37 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Prospero

The radio transmissions from the United 787 in-flight emergency already uploaded on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jYrkB9pXHA

“Published on Dec 4, 2012 by NYCAviationTV

A United Airlines Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner made an emergency landing in New Orleans on Tuesday after experiencing what the airline called a “mechanical issue” while air traffic control conversations seemed to indicate an electrical problem.”


32 posted on 12/04/2012 9:28:56 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Gay State Conservative
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL1146/history/20121204/1330Z/KIAH/KMSY/tracklog

This is a link to the flight log.

Topped out at 41k and 655 mph.

33 posted on 12/04/2012 9:33:31 PM PST by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: gorush

Gotta laugh at that one, yep I’ve been down the quick way many times myself. And yes I was with the 75th Airborne


34 posted on 12/04/2012 9:35:49 PM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Since Boeing headquarters are now in Illinois, (I hope they got a hell of a tax break), suckers, after moving their major manufacturing out of Long Beach, CA. & Everett, WA to South Carolina I’d have to say it’s the Mexican Boeing 787 and the cartel’s first choice of travel.

Go to bed now.


35 posted on 12/04/2012 9:44:03 PM PST by 23 Everest (When seconds count. The police are just 23 minutes away. 831 Bonnie)
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To: Red Steel

I took the Boeing factory tour in Everett, WA last spring. I believe the guide said the client picks either a GE or Rolls Royce engine that’s fitted to the Boeing Dreamliner. The SC facility is for troubleshooting.


36 posted on 12/04/2012 9:50:21 PM PST by HokieMom (Pacepa : Can the U.S. afford a president who can't recognize anti-Americanism?)
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That should be ‘engines,’ of course. :^)


37 posted on 12/04/2012 9:56:44 PM PST by HokieMom (Pacepa : Can the U.S. afford a president who can't recognize anti-Americanism?)
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To: Tucker39
Or were they maybe playing a friendly game of grab-ass with the flight attendants?!

Haven't seen a decent looking stewardess on an American carrier in 10 years.

38 posted on 12/04/2012 10:01:37 PM PST by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: Rome2000
"Haven't seen a decent looking stewardess on an American carrier in 10 years. "

Uh, that's because they've all been promoted to Flight Attendant for the last 20 years.

39 posted on 12/04/2012 10:14:23 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2
You mean that bunch of pulled back soda jerk grandmas and homos on power trips who apparently think the localizer will be affected by somebody's "electronic device"

They give the TSA a run for their money in the who sucks worse department.

40 posted on 12/04/2012 10:20:03 PM PST by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: Rome2000
Life wuz different in America when I wuz a kid (or adolescent/20er).

(Long B4 the TSA and when OJ wuz gud to be jumpin' the ropes.)

41 posted on 12/04/2012 10:26:44 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Red Steel
United 787 Loses Speed and Lands Early

Well, with the United Airlines on time performance around 70%, the passengers should have been grateful for an early landing!

42 posted on 12/04/2012 10:30:05 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Prospero
First of all the, media always gets these stories wrong. Second generators make electrical power for the aircraft systems. It isn't for the engines. The generators are run by the engines. Now if I was flying and something goes wrong and I'm thinking of diverting I would probably slow down, go through the checklist, talk to dispatch, and decide on a plan.

The idea that the NYT is using flightaware to report this is hilarious. Surfing the web is a substitute for journalism now.

43 posted on 12/04/2012 10:33:23 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit
It isn't for the engines.

Yeah, I was wondering where they got that one. The "old gray lady" must be losing it.

44 posted on 12/04/2012 10:38:16 PM PST by RckyRaCoCo (I prefer liberty with danger to peace with slavery, IXNAY THE TSA!)
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To: Red Steel

The aircraft exceeded maximum operating speed while on autopilot that’s why they descended and diverted.

Normal cruise for the 787 is M85, MAXIMUM cruise speed is M89.

I’m an en route air traffic controller in New York.


45 posted on 12/04/2012 10:44:11 PM PST by Zauber
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To: Rome2000

have a flight attendant in the family. she figures about 85-90% of the male attendants are gay.


46 posted on 12/04/2012 10:46:46 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: tflabo

I worked with an ex-fighter pilot in the early ‘90s (he was a litigation specialist with the oil company we worked for) and I asked him why he didn’t become an airline pilot after he got out of the service. He said he didn’t want to be a bus driver...


47 posted on 12/04/2012 10:57:42 PM PST by LaRueLaDue
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To: Zauber
Zauber:I’m an en route air traffic controller in New York.

I thought ZAU was Chicago ARTCC? : )

48 posted on 12/04/2012 10:58:36 PM PST by RckyRaCoCo (I prefer liberty with danger to peace with slavery, IXNAY THE TSA!)
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To: RckyRaCoCo

LOL call me Znyber then if u want


49 posted on 12/04/2012 11:55:02 PM PST by Zauber
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To: tflabo
A pilot once told me he liked flying the 727’s since it was less computer automated. I think it required a 3rd crewman as the flight navigator.

I never minded the flight in a 727.

50 posted on 12/05/2012 12:03:29 AM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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