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Assadís chemical weapons units head out of Damascus toward Aleppo
Debka ^ | December 4, 2012 | Debka

Posted on 12/04/2012 8:30:23 PM PST by tired&retired

As NATO in Brussels gave the go-ahead Tuesday night, Dec. 4, for the deployment of Patriot surface-to-air missiles to protect Turkey against Syrian missiles, DEBKAfile’s military and intelligence sources reported that convoys of the Syrian army’s chemical weapons units headed out of Damascus under cover of dark and turned north up the road to Aleppo. Their destination is not yet known.

The convoys were ferrying self-propelled cannons for firing shells loaded with poisonous sarin gas. Syrian President Bashar Assad had evidently decided to ignore the warnings President Barack Obama issued Monday night that there would be consequences if he or anyone in Syria resorted to chemical warfare and each would be held accountable.

Our sources report that the Syrian ruler is aparently gambling dangerously on the Americans holding back from attacking the convoys as long as they deploy unconventional weapons, and would only react when they are used.

He is also taking advantage of the heavy winds, rain and cloud over this part of the eastern Mediterranean and counting on the weather to obstruct military operations against his chemical weapons units.

By the time the weather clears some time Thursday, the units will be in place in battle formation. Meanwhile, bombing the convoys in windy weather could cause the deadly gas to spread out of control in unpredictable directions.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: assad; syria
Anchored opposite the Syrian shore is the USS Iwo Jima Amphibious Ready Group with 2,500 Marines. Facing it is the Russian Black Sea Fleet’s naval task force which too has hundreds of marines on its decks.
1 posted on 12/04/2012 8:30:34 PM PST by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired

Israel Defense Forces’ Northern Command as saying: “The coming hours and days are extremely critical for Syria. The situation on our northern front could blow up any moment.” They did not elaborate.


2 posted on 12/04/2012 8:31:20 PM PST by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired

Muslims killing Muslims. I’m sorry but why should Americans get involved?


3 posted on 12/04/2012 8:33:05 PM PST by DManA
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To: tired&retired

Maya calendar, Dec. 21, 2012?


4 posted on 12/04/2012 8:34:37 PM PST by doc1019 (Women have a choice, unborn babies don't.)
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To: tired&retired

Wait, what? Are these the WMDs Sadam didn’t have anymore?

Bush, Powell and Condi lied to us...right?

Pick the stick you want to beat us with, obama/lib/naive losers.

You all don’t know which way is up in this evil world because you have no moral compass to guide your confused souls.

Children who think they know something, but are sorely wrong.


5 posted on 12/04/2012 8:36:24 PM PST by One Name (Ultimately, the TRUTH is a razor's edge and no man can sit astride it.)
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To: tired&retired
President Barack Obama issued Monday night that there would be consequences""""".......

ROFL, hahahahahahahahahaha, ROFL......., I'm sure they are trembling in fear over that statement.

6 posted on 12/04/2012 8:39:17 PM PST by annieokie
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To: tired&retired

it sounds pretty ugly


7 posted on 12/04/2012 8:39:29 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: annieokie

Just like their are consequences for the thugs in Chicago!...Sarc.


8 posted on 12/04/2012 8:40:54 PM PST by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired

Russia Today, which is about as reliable as Debka, claimed U.S. Patriot batteries going to Turkey.

So.......


9 posted on 12/04/2012 8:42:21 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: One Name

You’re not supposed to say that. You’ll get in trouble.


10 posted on 12/04/2012 8:42:53 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: doc1019

Isaiah 17:1


11 posted on 12/04/2012 8:43:53 PM PST by Mom MD (T he country needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask)
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To: tired&retired

“The convoys were ferrying self-propelled cannons for firing shells loaded with poisonous sarin gas.”

I never realized that gas shells were fired from special cannons. All the normal arty is 155mm, but the gas shells are all special 160mm shells that only work in special chemical cannons!/ How stupid. Tubes are tubes. If SP155 is driving down the road, it’s no more dedicated to gas than it is to any other round in their inventory.

And why should a single Marine fight there? Even if they shoot gas at each other. If Assad wins, we have Assad. If the rebels win, we get another wahabbi extremist like Morsi. Who freakin’ cares?
And actually, Assad is nominally better for the local christians.


12 posted on 12/04/2012 8:48:17 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Mom MD

Mayhap. Hope reigns supreme.


13 posted on 12/04/2012 8:48:38 PM PST by doc1019 (Women have a choice, unborn babies don't.)
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To: tired&retired

The only risk the USA faces there at this point is that WE WILL RUN OUT OF POPCORN. Or that one side will run out of ammo.

WHO CARES...? Let them machine-gun one another all day and night.

Our job is to drink beer, hump and STAY THE HELL OUT OF IT.


14 posted on 12/04/2012 8:50:35 PM PST by gaijin
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To: gaijin

We used to go out of Indian River, Delaware. Macey’s Landing had an annual Mako Tournament. Macey’s isn’t even there any more.

Buddy of mine caught a big hammerhead. They are weird looking up close.


15 posted on 12/04/2012 8:56:38 PM PST by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired

Sorry, wrong thread... Shark fishing


16 posted on 12/04/2012 8:57:37 PM PST by tired&retired
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To: Liberty Valance
Oops. Never mind.. Photobucket
17 posted on 12/04/2012 8:59:49 PM PST by One Name (Ultimately, the TRUTH is a razor's edge and no man can sit astride it.)
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To: Mom MD

looking forward to that day. Hopefully soon and very soon.


18 posted on 12/04/2012 9:01:03 PM PST by annieokie
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To: tired&retired

“He is also taking advantage of the heavy winds, rain and cloud over this part of the eastern Mediterranean”

Dang! Assad foiled us again. With clouds we are helpless to do anything. And night time throws us off too. LOL This article is senseless.
Special self propelled artillery that is only useful for sarin filled gas shells, and they are moving under cloud cover so we can’t see them!
This article is so obviously another breathless effort to hurry us into the fight.


19 posted on 12/04/2012 9:03:05 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: tired&retired

lol, Shark thread. I thought it was a deeply sarcastic commentary on the importance of the fighting in Syria to the average American.

ie,, “Bill you hear about the fighting in Syria?”
“Uhmm Yeah,,sure did. But anyway back to what i was sayin’, have you ever seen a hammerhead up close?”


20 posted on 12/04/2012 9:07:33 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino

Maybe the Syrians are giving the WMD’s back to Iraq.


21 posted on 12/04/2012 9:12:12 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (George W. Bush is the Emmanuel Goldstein of the modern era.)
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To: annieokie
Scoff if you like but I'm pretty sure that Iran just got slammed with a really stern letter. The same could happen to Assad if he's not careful.

Okay, seriously, Assad has to be taken out of power no matter what he does, to make room for obama and hillary's growing Mid-Eastern Caliphate. Who's next? Jordan?

22 posted on 12/04/2012 9:12:58 PM PST by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

“Maybe the Syrians are giving the WMD’s back to Iraq.”

So true! lol
So much liberal democrat deceit in one story. If we had an opposition party or a free press, and Obama and Hillary started hyperventilating about Syrian gas, they should be asked, “what gas?”, and “Where did the Syrians get this gas?”.


23 posted on 12/04/2012 9:20:00 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Mom MD

I was thinking about the same line from the Old Testament.


24 posted on 12/04/2012 9:30:03 PM PST by Fee
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To: One Name

Oh yea.

25 posted on 12/04/2012 9:31:58 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: tired&retired

Muslim on Muslim violence should always be encouraged.


26 posted on 12/04/2012 10:50:25 PM PST by kaehurowing
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To: kaehurowing

Could they be planning to use them on Israel? Or could the Target be Turkey? A war with one of these nations would unify the Syrians behind the dictator. Its worth a gamble. What could a 105 MM cannon hit from Aleppo?


27 posted on 12/04/2012 10:59:49 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: tired&retired
Well heck, this is just Debka. Who the heck can believe them. /sarc

Would make a great opening to a movie about WWIII. Wonder if anyone has copyrighted this yet ?

If this is true, can you just imagine how screwed up Obama would have made the world, if he had actually lost the election ? We may have actually lucked out.

28 posted on 12/04/2012 11:56:59 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

If the Syrians decide to have a war with Turkey. They would obviously begin by taking out the Patriot Batteries with Sarin Gas artillery. That would open a corridor they could lob Ballistic missiles through and onto Turkish Cities. Russian Armor is all set to go up in the former Georgia provinces. They certainly do not have to reinforce Iran now.


29 posted on 12/05/2012 12:03:43 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: DManA
Muslims killing Muslims. I’m sorry but why should Americans get involved?

Because there are many innocents involved. It is not a good situation.

30 posted on 12/05/2012 12:21:57 AM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Mom MD
Isaiah 17:1

Now how the heck did someone predict that!

31 posted on 12/05/2012 12:24:57 AM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Just because someone innocent is suffering, does not mean it is in any way our interest to join in. By that standard there is not a single war on earth that we should not be fighting in. ALL have innocents suffering.

But lets do it your way. Ok, innocents are suffering. So which side do we join on with? Assad? Not a great guy, but things werent too bad in Syria until the Wahabbists started trying to overthrow him.
Or do we join in with the rebels so they can install another Muslim Brotherhood dictator to decree sharia is the law, and maybe crucify a few christians like in Egypt?

Or do we wipe them both out and nation build for a decade again?

No, the suffering of innocents is no justification to waste American troops. THAT causes American families to suffer. After all, those families are innocent too.


32 posted on 12/05/2012 12:42:08 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DManA

“Muslims killing Muslims. I’m sorry but why should Americans get involved?”

This is just smoke & mirrors to distract from domestic problems, just as Argentina invaded the Falklands/Malvinas to distract from a horrible economy. Americans shouldn’t be involved; Syria is a meaningless place not worth one American life. Then again, so were Libya and Iraq.


33 posted on 12/05/2012 2:24:19 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: DesertRhino

“And actually, Assad is nominally better for the local christians.”

So were Saddam & Qaddafi (while Saudi - which doesn’t tolerate Christianity at all - is our main “ally”); see a pattern here?


34 posted on 12/05/2012 2:29:02 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade
What could a 105 MM cannon hit from Aleppo

Anything within a 7 to 9 mile radius, limits depending on whether the projectile is rocket assisted (9 miles) or not (7.1 miles).

155 mm systems vary, but 30-40km (18.75-25 miles) is not unusual, and the Excalibur (ours) can do 50 km (31.25 miles) with the right ammo.

35 posted on 12/05/2012 3:34:11 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: DesertRhino
Or do we wipe them both out and nation build for a decade again?

It's a tough choice. One you didn't mention was the future of "Syria, a province of Turkey once more" versus "Iran annexes Syria." Another ugly pair of possibilities.

36 posted on 12/05/2012 5:18:18 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: tired&retired

Assad has really got to worry, now. Obama has threatened to stomp his feet and hold his breath until he turns blue, of Assad actually uses them.


37 posted on 12/05/2012 5:40:37 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: tired&retired

Assad has really got to worry, now. Obama has threatened to stomp his feet and hold his breath until he turns blue, of Assad actually uses them.


38 posted on 12/05/2012 6:04:54 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: DesertRhino

I agree with much of what you say. I dont think we should get involved in every confluct. My point was simply concern for many innocents. On the report of chem weapons, if true, we would have to act. They should be obliterated by us to make sure they do not fall into hands that will use them against us or our allies. Barring any contrary info from military chiefs, I would take that action immediately to wipe them out and capability to make more.


39 posted on 12/06/2012 9:18:25 AM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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