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California Church to Become Site of Islamist Convention
RSN ^ | Friday, 30 November 2012 06:23 | Ryan Mauro

Posted on 12/04/2012 8:50:14 PM PST by Olog-hai

The Muslim Public Affairs Council’s choice of location for its 12th Annual Convention on December 15 is telling: The All Saints Episcopal Church of Pasadena, California. The group, founded by Muslim Brotherhood followers, says this is the “next step in its mission by crossing the interfaith line.” Yet again, the Islamists are taking advantage of naïve Christians with a desire to show off their tolerance. …

Hassan Hathout says they sought to begin the “Islamic Movement” in the U.S., a term the Brotherhood uses to describe its ideology. In 1997, he predicted its success because “America needs Islam. If you look objectively you will see that this current civilization harbors in its body the seeds of its own destruction.” The language is very similar to that of a 1991 U.S. Muslim Brotherhood strategy document where it defines its “work in America as a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying Western civilization from within.” Another U.S. Muslim Brotherhood document from 1989 from its Financial Committee refers to a person with the last name of Hathout as someone “in the field.” …

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1 posted on 12/04/2012 8:50:25 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

I know a few muslims.

Of course, they do not comprehend the Gospel. I’m working on a couple or three of them. Another, I think, is a lost cause from the get-go.

But “interfaith” is a tool of the spirit of antichrist, and of Satan and will lead to the world religion of the False Prophet.

There is no “common ground” here. Islam denies every single important tenet of the Gospel.

The Gospel is for them as well as us. So we offer it to them. But we do not meet on “common ground”. It is just not possible, regarding the Bible vs. the koran / hadiths.


2 posted on 12/04/2012 8:55:14 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Olog-hai

Stage 1:
Start immigrating - move into a country quietly

Stage 2:
Begin starting churches: “learning centers”
community helps: food etc.

Stage 3:
Political activism: demanding rights, denounce
derogatory comments/press etc.

Stage 4:
Get elected, pass laws favoring rights etc. move toward
political majority

Stage 5:
Political control, Sharia Law


3 posted on 12/04/2012 8:56:32 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Olog-hai
The Muslim Public Affairs Council’s choice of location for its 12th Annual Convention on December 15 is telling: The All Saints Episcopal Church of Pasadena, California.

I had a hunch that it probably would not be held at the First Southern Baptist Church in Buena Park, Calif.

4 posted on 12/04/2012 9:00:19 PM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: onedoug

Gee what a surprise—not.


5 posted on 12/04/2012 9:00:40 PM PST by windcliff
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To: F15Eagle

Christianity is about love. Islam is about dominance, and its adherents preach that proudly — Islam is a war plan.


6 posted on 12/04/2012 9:03:01 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Olog-hai

Why a church? Why not a barn on a pig farm? Or the auditorium on a college campus? Or a sports coliseum?

Has to be in a (Pseudo) Christian church. Nuff said.


7 posted on 12/04/2012 9:05:29 PM PST by doc1019 (Women have a choice, unborn babies don't.)
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To: svcw

You omitted the ‘get da white wimenz pregnant’ part.


8 posted on 12/04/2012 9:06:30 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: doc1019

>> ... taking advantage of naïve Christians with a desire to show off their tolerance.

>> Has to be in a (Pseudo) Christian church.

Wow - what a surprise - it’s at an ePISScopal church! /s


9 posted on 12/04/2012 9:09:07 PM PST by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: Olog-hai

Mommy, what’s an “Episcopal?”


10 posted on 12/04/2012 9:11:01 PM PST by PGR88
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To: Olog-hai

Will the Islamics ever allow a Baptist convention in one of their mosques? I seriously doubt it.


11 posted on 12/04/2012 9:11:43 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Gene Eric

As you know, Satan has blinded the minds of many. Most of the world he is taking with himself to the lake of fire (even Hell is tossed into the lake of fire, interestingly enough).

Hopefully, some of their minds will be opened to the Gospel.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%208:26-38&version=KJV

Acts 8:26-38

King James Version (KJV)

26 And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert.

27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,

28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.

29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.

30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?

31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:

33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.

34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?

35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.


12 posted on 12/04/2012 9:12:11 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: F15Eagle
They have a “holy book” that tells them that the modern-day versions of both the Tawrat (Torah) and Injil (Gospel) that Jews and Christians use (IOW, the Masoretic Text and the Received Text plus everything translated from both) are corrupted, and they have to rely on the book from the “last prophet” (Muhammad). Very hard nut to crack.
13 posted on 12/04/2012 9:13:57 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: F15Eagle

The actual Anti-Christ will make these weak “interfaith” social organizations look like nothing. This entity will have power even to make radical jihadists pipe down and be peaceable — for a season.


14 posted on 12/04/2012 9:17:06 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Olog-hai

And it reads like the diary of a mad man, which is probably what it is.


15 posted on 12/04/2012 9:18:14 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Yep. Even some of them may have their eyes opened during the Tribulation. Or during the Great Tribulation, more likely.

It will force the world to choose one or the other (Revelation chapter 14).

I’m sure you’re already aware of all of that. :)


16 posted on 12/04/2012 9:20:59 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Olog-hai
“America needs Islam. If you look objectively you will see that this current civilization harbors in its body the seeds of its own destruction.”

God help us, they are making more sense than we are.

17 posted on 12/04/2012 9:21:46 PM PST by oldbrowser (Put Obama in check, now.)
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To: Olog-hai

Yeah, I’ve been working on a couple for about 5-6 months now.


18 posted on 12/04/2012 9:22:22 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: F15Eagle

It reads like it will probably be the first serious set of non Judeo-Christian miracles that the world has seen in millennia. Barack Obama’s worst, the silliest interfaith worship we know, are all like nothing before this. Like Emeril likes to say, kick it up a notch. Or several thousand notches.


19 posted on 12/04/2012 9:30:16 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: F15Eagle

You are 100% correct, FRiend.

The Episcopals have been wavering for at least 40 years or so.

Nothing new here.

They’ll show christendom a white blackbird next.


20 posted on 12/04/2012 9:30:31 PM PST by One Name (Ultimately, the TRUTH is a razor's edge and no man can sit astride it.)
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To: Olog-hai

Back when I lived in Pasadena, in the early 90s, All Saints was starting to do gay marriages. Wonder what the Muslims were thinking, holding their event at a place where the congregation is pro-gay.


21 posted on 12/04/2012 9:30:31 PM PST by married21
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To: oldbrowser

They’re righter than even they know if it really does mean the USA will swallow Islam. It probably won’t be all that easy for Islam until apocalyptic times, and then a greater (but still demonic) power is likely to win over Islamists for a season.


22 posted on 12/04/2012 9:32:41 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Olog-hai

File this under you can’t make this shi& up:

The name of the rector of the All Saints Episcopalian Church hosting this event?

ED BACON

http://www.allsaints-pas.org/community


23 posted on 12/04/2012 9:32:51 PM PST by Dinah Lord
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To: married21

They apparently must taqqiya it in stride.


24 posted on 12/04/2012 9:34:05 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Dinah Lord

Fry some up please. I’m hongry.


25 posted on 12/04/2012 9:35:35 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Olog-hai
paint the taget

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26 posted on 12/04/2012 9:37:01 PM PST by Elle Bee
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I’ve read the Rodwell translation, which puts the chapters in chronological order. Shows the descent into a cycle of madness and hatred. Haven’t bothered with the Hadiths, but what few I’ve seen online look even worse.


27 posted on 12/04/2012 9:41:36 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
The Muslim Public Affairs Council’s choice of location for its 12th Annual Convention on December 15 is telling: The All Saints Episcopal Church of Pasadena, California

  Muslim Brotherhood Front Group Trains Airport Screeners Human Events ^ | December 6, 2010 | Connie Hair The Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC) has completed training for 2,200 Transportation Safety Officers (TSOs) at the Los Angeles International Airport according to a press release..."

28 posted on 12/04/2012 9:45:37 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Olog-hai

This morning, the Director of the Washington, DC office of the Muslim Public Affairs Council Haris Tarin joined the President Obama and cabinet officials at the White House as he announced his latest nomination to the Supreme Court, Inspector General Elana Kagan.—————— “Islamist group, MPAC, attended White House meeting to announce SCOTUS nominee,” Creeping Sharia ^ | May 15,2010 | creeping sharia


29 posted on 12/04/2012 9:50:34 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: opentalk

1986 : (CA : MPAC IS ESTABLISHED-———) MPAC was established initially in 1986 as the Political Action Committee of the Islamic Center of Southern California whose key leaders likely had their origins in the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood......More than any other U.S. Muslim Brotherhood organization, MPAC has developed extensive relationships with the U.S. government which have included numerous meetings with the Department of Justice and the FBI.——— “Islamist group, MPAC, attended White House meeting to announce SCOTUS nominee,” Creeping Sharia ^ | May 15,2010 | creeping sharia Posted on Saturday, May 15, 2010 5:31:21 PM by opentalk


30 posted on 12/04/2012 9:55:36 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: oldbrowser

No, they aren’t. That’s just a truism that applies to all societies; the underlying meaning of what they themselves are saying is more important.


31 posted on 12/04/2012 9:59:01 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: piasa; Grampa Dave; Diogenes
MAY 15, 2010 : (JOINED BY MPAC's HARIS TARIN, OBAMA ANNOUNCES HIS LATEST NIOMINATION FOR THE SUPREME COURT, ELANA KAGAN ) This morning, the Director of the Washington, DC office of the Muslim Public Affairs Council Haris Tarin joined the President Obama and cabinet officials at the White House as he announced his latest nomination to the Supreme Court, Inspector General Elana Kagan.—————— “Islamist group, MPAC, attended White House meeting to announce SCOTUS nominee,” Creeping Sharia ^ | May 15,2010 | creeping sharia

NOVEMBER 11, 2008 : (HARVARD : FUTURE OBAMA SUPREME COURT JUSTICE NOMINEE ELENA KAGAN HONORS THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD MALAYSIAN JUDGE DATO' ABDUL HAMID MOHAMAD, ONE OF THE PARTICIPANTS IN "GROUND ZERO" IMAM FEISAL RAUF'S AUGUST 2006 MALAYSIA PLANNING SESSION FOR THE SHARIAH INDEX PROJECT)


32 posted on 12/04/2012 10:00:20 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Elle Bee

SNIPPET: “And despite these attempts to undermine relations with U.S. law enforcement, MPAC leadership continues to meet with officials from the Obama Administration, including Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano, Attorney General Eric Holder, and Assistant Director in Charge of the FBI, Steven M. Martinez.”
-———————“The Administration’s Misguided Outreach to MPAC”, IPT News, June 7, 2010 http://www.investigativeproject.org/1995/the-administrations-misguided-outreach-to-mpac
16 posted on Tuesday, June 08, 2010 9:04:33 PM by Cindy


33 posted on 12/04/2012 10:01:42 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: F15Eagle

Hey...........memo to All Saints Episcopal Church......

A) You won’t boost your flagging membership with Muslims...

B) They want you to convert or die...

C) You’re a bunch of naive fools who invite the wolves in among the sheep, you idiots.

Never, ever again wonder why denominational Christianity is dying FAST......and non-denominational Christianity is exploding around the world.


34 posted on 12/04/2012 10:03:09 PM PST by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: Olog-hai
Christians are doomed if they try to comply with Satan~~~islam is Satan!!! Beware, we have been warned!
35 posted on 12/04/2012 10:08:33 PM PST by Isabel2010
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To: Olog-hai
Christians are doomed if they try to comply with Satan~~~islam is Satan!!! Beware, we have been warned!
36 posted on 12/04/2012 10:08:50 PM PST by Isabel2010
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To: Olog-hai

So much for their “interfaith” ruse:

The Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC) called on US Defense Secretary Robert Gates to immediately withdraw from combat use equipment found to have inscriptions of Biblical references after it emerged that Trijicon has contracts to supply over 800,000 of the sights to the US military. (Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...————Muslim anger over US military ‘Jesus’ scopes,AFP ^ | Jan. 20, 2010 Posted on Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:16:36 AM by Free ThinkerNY


37 posted on 12/04/2012 10:33:00 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Olog-hai

How many muslims let in Christians to their mosques to build foundations for conversion to Christianity?

nuff said.


38 posted on 12/04/2012 10:35:25 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: F15Eagle

death is also thrown into hell as well.


39 posted on 12/04/2012 10:36:47 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Yeah. Which almost sounds like a death angel (fallen angel demon).

That one is rather wild.


40 posted on 12/04/2012 10:38:29 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Olog-hai

Episcopalians are not Christians. It is a cult, like the Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons. Except the other two are closer to Christianity. This church in Pasadena in particular primarily worships homosexuality, which makes an interesting juxtaposition with Muslims.


41 posted on 12/04/2012 10:44:57 PM PST by kaehurowing
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To: Secret Agent Man

“death is also thrown into hell as well.”

Oops, let me change that.

Death and Hell (Hades) are thrown into the Lake of Fire.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2020:13-14&version=KJV

Revelation 20:13-14

King James Version (KJV)

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it;
and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them:
and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.
This is the second death.


42 posted on 12/04/2012 10:59:47 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: F15Eagle

no, you were fine. you brought up an interesting point. i just brought up the other interesting point in that verse. :-)


43 posted on 12/04/2012 11:24:20 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: kaehurowing
The church is so proud of hosting the Islamists that their online calendar says...nothing...about the event.

Appeaser: The individual eaten last by the lion.

44 posted on 12/05/2012 12:22:17 AM PST by twister881
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To: F15Eagle
I was watching a favorite 'flash mob' Halleluja Chorus on youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXh7JR9oKVE) when I thought "has Islam ever produced anything like Handel's Massiah?" This event occured in a busy food court. Had muslims been envolved, it would have been a 'flash bang mob' with much death, blood, and chaos. Christians have praised God with magnificent music for centuries. Muslims can't seem to praise allah without killing somebody at the same time.

"We have come to you... with people who love death more than you love life." B,br>-- Ansar Jund Allah, Commander Of Gaza Organization

Jesus said in John 10:10 (and here is the difference between islam and Christianity)

The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.

The only common ground we have with muslims is sin for we are both infected with it. The only solution to that fundamental issue is Jesus Christ.

45 posted on 12/05/2012 3:48:15 AM PST by tbpiper
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To: Olog-hai

All of this destruction of our moral fabric is all happening at the same time for a reason. Radical Islam is connected to the progressive church/emergent church movement ,is connected to Saul Alinsky and Marxism.

They are all three movements to change America and our values and dominate the white culture. They are all working at the same time, because they all see a weak America.

How well they will all work together, when America is in a death kneel, is something we will find out.

I still hope and pray that people are going to wake up!

The social justice model ties them all together. Churches are using a social gospel now and promoting groups that push for social justice and redistribution of wealth. Ministries and volunteer positions are filling up with Muslims- who are proystelitizing.

Some people have seen this going on for years and years, but most people are asleep still.

What the liberals don’t understand, who are supporting this stuff, is that they are useful tools to radical groups.


46 posted on 12/05/2012 4:48:33 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: Olog-hai
I attended a wedding at All saints over 30 years ago and was struck by the anomaly. It is a beautiful church and yards. The Rector's name then was Dennis O’Pray who also headed up the far left Peace Fellowship. He wasn't there, someone else did the marriage.

But, in the courtyard was a full-size statue of General George Patton with battle jacket and pistol. The organist said to the best of his knowledge the rector has never walked into that courtyard. Apparently the Patton family at one time were quite influential in the church.

47 posted on 12/05/2012 7:44:29 AM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

That’s a terrible pun.

(I smirked anyway.)


48 posted on 12/05/2012 9:35:02 PM PST by married21
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To: kaehurowing

On the evangelical model itself, only personal direct faith makes a person a Christian. Perhaps not many there are Christian in the exact sense, and many of those may exercise their faith weakly or in an ignorant manner, but one can’t say there are “no Christians” there. It’s impossible by definition.


49 posted on 12/06/2012 3:30:37 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: tbpiper

Muslims don’t use music in worship. Christians do. Not many Muslims come up with noted pieces of music. The most famous one might be Aram Khatchaturian’s “Sabre Dance” and he did that as part of a drama that praised the Soviet regime, so he seems at most agnostic.


50 posted on 12/06/2012 3:35:45 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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