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Most Young Voters Actually Want Bigger Government
Business Insider ^

Posted on 12/05/2012 6:05:43 AM PST by TigerClaws

Nearly 6 in 10 young voters support bigger government — a worrisome statistic for conservatives who want to increase their presence on college campuses and among the under-30 crowd. According to the Pew Research Center, 59 percent of young voters think the government should do more — something only 44 percent of all voters support.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/28/majority-of-young-voters-wants-bigger-government/#ixzz2EBaswBMs

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1 posted on 12/05/2012 6:05:50 AM PST by TigerClaws
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To: TigerClaws

The only people who want the resultant mediocrity of a communist state are those that are currently below the level of mediocre achievement.


2 posted on 12/05/2012 6:07:07 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: TigerClaws

Of course. Most young voters have just spend 13 to17 years of brain washing by the teachers unions. It usually takes some time to recover from that. It took me a couple of years.


3 posted on 12/05/2012 6:07:25 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: TigerClaws

Ignorance and immaturity. Young voters want big government because they have been conditioned to believe that there will always be someone out there to take care of them as a substitute mommy and daddy (by the way, a lot of older voters belive that too). But they fail to realize that by the time they become older voters, the system will have collapsed so that all “Big Government” will have accomplished is to transfer money from them to older voters (who will be dead at that point) and they will never get that money back.


4 posted on 12/05/2012 6:08:44 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: TigerClaws

The problem is, Chip and Muffy want BIG government but they don’t want to pay for it. They want someone else to pay for it. Very un-American.


5 posted on 12/05/2012 6:10:16 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Don't tax me bro! Tax that guy over there!)
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To: TigerClaws

BY Jove, Methinks the writer has put hisfinger on the Real problem!!!!!

And why not???

Aren’t we awash in a sea of the offspring, and more offspring, of the hippy generations, dumbed down by gubmint, education (indoctrination), the gubmint msm, hollyweird, etc, etc...!!!!!

Whaddja ‘spect!!!!!

Semper Watching!!!!!
*****


6 posted on 12/05/2012 6:12:09 AM PST by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: TigerClaws

So what’s new? I’d be willimng to bet that you would have found similar polling numbers at campuses all across the country anytime in the last 100 years. They’re young and emotional. Many of them will outgrow their stupidity.


7 posted on 12/05/2012 6:14:00 AM PST by pgkdan (We are witnessing the modern sack of Rome. The barbarians have taken over.)
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To: TigerClaws

Okay, let them pay for it......


8 posted on 12/05/2012 6:16:03 AM PST by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: TigerClaws
They are products of government schooling. What do you expect?
9 posted on 12/05/2012 6:19:08 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: FlingWingFlyer

In the future when Chip and Muffy get their first paychecks after college will they question why 50 percent of their pay is taken in taxes?


10 posted on 12/05/2012 6:23:04 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: TigerClaws

Not surprising when you let the big government types control their newsmedia, education system and entertainment.


11 posted on 12/05/2012 6:24:45 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: TigerClaws
When you are selfish, spoiled, immature and lazy... yes, self-reliance is an alien concept!
12 posted on 12/05/2012 6:27:42 AM PST by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: TigerClaws
Nearly 6 in 10 young voters support bigger government — a worrisome statistic

Not really. Youth are painfully aware that they can't do much on their own—they have no connections, reputation, adult skills. They love the idea that they can get behind "political change," which means the state doing something at their behest. I was that way, too.

Then they get a few years older and have more power and influence, and they see what the servants of the state do with theirs. A lot of minds change. We should raise the voting age again—but evangelizing the young about liberty and justice will help in any case.

13 posted on 12/05/2012 6:28:37 AM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: Kozak

“Okay, let them pay for it......”

The same can be said of the fiscal cliff, let the RATS raise taxes (under protest by Repubs) and give people what they voted for. If they want big govt let them pay for it.


14 posted on 12/05/2012 6:29:10 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: TigerClaws

Ergo, most young voters are stupid...


15 posted on 12/05/2012 6:29:53 AM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: TigerClaws
Nearly 6 in 10 young voters support bigger government

What seems to be lost is that our system of federalism already allows for them to do that in their own states. Why they have a desire to force it on other states is a question.
16 posted on 12/05/2012 6:30:42 AM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: TigerClaws
Educatd by hippies to Big Brother. Generations of mush headed zombies.
17 posted on 12/05/2012 6:31:25 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: pgkdan
I’d be willimng to bet that you would have found similar polling numbers at campuses all across the country anytime in the last 100 years.

I think things have gotten worse. If you would have asked a young person 100 years ago whether government should help the poor or the elderly, they would have said yes. But then we started down a slippery slope to the point where young, healthy people thing government should take care of them -- pay for their birth control and other things they want even if they have the means to work and pay for these things themselves. Kids from 100 years ago probably would be shocked at how badly the Welfare State has corrupted the work ethic. Think back to the 50s and 60s. Young people from back then simply assumed they would have to work and support themselves. Young people today don't necessarily think that.

18 posted on 12/05/2012 6:32:23 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: norwaypinesavage

Plus, they haven’t seen any of the cost of the big government - only the “benefits” - to this point in their lives.


19 posted on 12/05/2012 6:37:21 AM PST by MortMan (I will be true to my principles.)
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To: TigerClaws

Examine some of Pew’s other findings:

“Only 44% of white voters under 30 backed Obama, while 51% voted for Romney.”

Think about this, in that what Pew has suggested is that they supported Romney, but wanted larger government?

“A majority (59%) said that the government should do more to solve problems, while 37% said the government is doing too many things better left to businesses and individuals.
That is a somewhat narrower margin than in 2008 (69% vs. 27%).”

So the truth may be that 6% *fewer* young people want government to do more than they did just four years ago.

That is a big drop in just four years, among the people most likely to want bigger government. Not bad news at all.


20 posted on 12/05/2012 6:47:38 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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To: MortMan

They never added up how much Mommy and Daddy paid in tax, in total, over their lifetime so far. Hundreds of thousands that could have still been in their family, in Mommy and Daddy’s hands. The chillins could have had a good start with all that dough. Or the family could have lived high off the hog. They might not have turned into a (evil, right ?) rich family, but the would have been at least a very comfortable family, all with Mommy and Daddy having the same jobs, just keeping more of what they make ! But, instead, their Congressman got it, and paid it out to all sorts of people bleeding the government treasury, in exchange for enough votes from Mommy and Daddy’s generation to stay in office.

And now the dopey kids are still voting the same way and not even thinking about the fact that they are being set up to pay much more to the Congressman for the rest of their lives.

They either come to their senses when they get older or they join the chorus and blame evil rich people.


21 posted on 12/05/2012 6:54:00 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: TigerClaws

Conservative, Moderate, Christian and otherwise decent parents continue to lie to themselves and say “my kids school is different.” So they send their kids to public school and are somehow surprised when they grow up to be godless socialists. I don’t care if you live an affluent, suburban neighborhood in Dallas or Provo or Indianapolis, or small town Kansas or rural Arizona. Every - Yes EVERY public school is filled with socialism, social justice, and secular humanism. If you are a parent you have to remove your kids from government schools if you care about their future mindset. If you are an educator you have to leave the government system and become a part of the good and growing alternatives for parents. If you are a pastor you have to be blunt with your congregation about the effects that public schooling WILL have on their children.


22 posted on 12/05/2012 7:01:36 AM PST by azcap (Who is John Galt ? www.conservativeshirts.com)
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To: MrB

Brainwashing and Liberal propaganda has been in our public schools since 1980 or earlier. In my opinion and that of many, we are suffering from decades of brainwashed Liberals thanks to the NEA and Big Brother.

Watch James Clavell’s “The Children’s Story.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C1IV00LLDQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5Va0b0tL1M&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ojxtz-9vSr8&feature=related


23 posted on 12/05/2012 7:02:19 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: TigerClaws

Causes of this shift? My proposed list:

1. The deliberate Long March of Marxism through the country’s institutions, especially academia and the media, accelerated by the Marxist-fomented cultural revolution ushered in during the 1960s, especially the women’s liberation movement and the rise of marijuana use.

2. The elimination of child labor laws.

3. The spoiling effects of their parents’ materialism.

4. The spoiling effects of their parents’ abdication of traditional parental roles, in favor of their own narcissistic needs.


24 posted on 12/05/2012 7:02:28 AM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: TigerClaws
I think this data proves the point that conservatives need to spend some these jillions of dollars wasted on campaigns on educating the youth. The media is the only real winner in these lengthy and expensive election times. Let's find a way to channel some big bucks into educating and informing the public, the young in particular, on the US Constitution and conservative values.
25 posted on 12/05/2012 7:18:08 AM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: TigerClaws

Agreed. Their attitude is 180 degrees out of phase with the rest of us. As that young cretin at Obama’s victory rally put it, “Government is not the problem, Government is the Help!” And it appears they want to take all the “help” they can possibly get their hands on.

More concerning is there ambivalent “take it or leave it” attitude as to whether Capitalism should be our preferred economic system.


26 posted on 12/05/2012 7:22:12 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: pgkdan
the problem is they have the vote. Increasingly I believe that just giving people the "right" to vote without them having done anything to prove themselves citizens

The voting age should be 25+ and should be conditional on having spent a year or two for the community -- maybe the military, maybe helping poor, maybe painting government buildings.

27 posted on 12/05/2012 7:33:49 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: KeyLargo

they will, then they will become conservatives..


28 posted on 12/05/2012 7:35:12 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
Think back to the 50s and 60s. Young people from back then simply assumed they would have to work and support themselves. Young people today don't necessarily think that.

There's nothing better than fear to get you up and looking for a job..

29 posted on 12/05/2012 7:36:21 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: norwaypinesavage

Ditto. The gov. brainwashing factories are pumping them out in numbers that are making it impossible for us to catch up. This is why we are doomed. No one has a solution for the source of the problem - our gov. schools.

And you, my dear friend, are indeed the rare one - because most NEVER come to their senses like you did. Because after the schools are done dumbing them down and blinding them to truth, the media takes over and continues to keep them deceived. The media and their dumbed-down, blind peers.......


30 posted on 12/05/2012 7:53:17 AM PST by Arlis (.)
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To: TigerClaws

Wait until they get the bill...


31 posted on 12/05/2012 7:54:52 AM PST by moovova
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To: TigerClaws
A government that is big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to TAKE everything you have...............
32 posted on 12/05/2012 8:04:35 AM PST by PeterPrinciple ( (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.))
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To: Cronos

Honestly, I think that voting rights should be limited to those who pay taxes in, and do not work for the government in any way.


33 posted on 12/05/2012 8:15:39 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: TigerClaws

This article is exactly why NO BUSINESS should Employ ANYBODY under 40 that went to a Public School, they should immediately purge their companies of these spoiled, entitled, brats and tell them not to worry, they voted for Obama anyway, which should be enough to demonstrate they are not worthy of representing your company as an employee.


34 posted on 12/05/2012 8:20:57 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: Arlis
"most NEVER come to their senses"

I'm a little more optimistic than that. All it tooke for me was a few pay checks, followed by a couple of Income tax returns. Granted, I filled out my own tax returns and saw what I was actually spending. The ones hardest to reach are the ones who only see their tax refunds and do not understand their payments.

35 posted on 12/05/2012 8:44:01 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: TigerClaws

6 in 10 young voters have no idea what happened to the CCCP.


36 posted on 12/05/2012 10:05:55 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: redgolum
I agree with you in the general idea, but I see some problems:

1. to those who pay taxes -- what about the retired or stay at home moms?

who do not work for the government -- now this is good, but there is the complexity that there are companies that may have a small investment by the government -- say 1% owned by a state or so, is that working for the government -- this point can be specified/clarified

37 posted on 12/05/2012 11:51:40 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos
Stay at home Moms, depends. If they are truly stay at home Moms, not on state assitance, then yes.

Retired: Again depends. If you collect a state check (SS or Medicare), then no. You have a vested interest in getting more money from the State. Human nature means you will vote for more of other peoples money.

Same with the business or farm. If you are State owned or paid a subsidy, then no. Including the employees of the farm or firm. Again, you will start to vote for more of your fellows money.

Yes, I am a barbarian today. Been off coffee for a couple of months now and it makes me a little more angry.

38 posted on 12/05/2012 12:21:05 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Cronos
Stay at home Moms, depends. If they are truly stay at home Moms, not on state assistance, then yes.

Retired: Again depends. If you collect a state check (SS or Medicare), then no. You have a vested interest in getting more money from the State. Human nature means you will vote for more of other peoples money.

Same with the business or farm. If you are State owned or paid a subsidy, then no. Including the employees of the farm or firm. Again, you will start to vote for more of your fellows money.

Yes, I am a barbarian today. Been off coffee for a couple of months now and it makes me a little more angry.

39 posted on 12/05/2012 12:21:05 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

I agree with your definitions. I was just pointing out the difficulty of defining :)


40 posted on 12/05/2012 12:26:59 PM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: azcap

Yep. I know a conservative family sent their daughter to Univ. of WI at Madison not knowing it was a liberal school. Daughter discovered she’s a lesbian & abandoned Christ.


41 posted on 12/06/2012 1:37:16 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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