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2012's high-stakes spin war: George Soros won, Karl Rove lost
World Tribune ^ | Dec 4, 2012 | Cliff Kincaid

Posted on 12/05/2012 6:58:43 AM PST by KeyLargo

Tuesday, December 4th, 2012 | Posted by WorldTribune.com

2012′s high-stakes spin war: George Soros won, Karl Rove lost

Special to WorldTribune.com

By Cliff Kincaid

Fox News contributor Karl Rove was criticized in the media for objecting to the channel calling Ohio for Barack Obama on election night. The state of Ohio did in fact go for Obama and the channel was correct in making that prediction. Like many other Fox News commentators, Rove had mistakenly forecast a Romney victory. He was only alone in thinking this was still possible as election night wore on and the results from Ohio came in.

A more important controversy, however, is what Rove, former Deputy Chief of Staff and Senior Advisor to President George W. Bush, did with the $300 million that he raised from conservative donors for the purpose of defeating Barack Obama and electing a Republican Senate..

On Fox News, Rove blamed Mitt Romney’s campaign for not responding aggressively to attacks on the Republican presidential nominee. But his close friend and associate, Ed Gillespie, was a top Romney adviser.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: congress; obama; romney; rove

1 posted on 12/05/2012 6:58:49 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

Rove forgot to factor in the dead, alien, traveling, manufactured and multiple voter vote.


2 posted on 12/05/2012 7:12:27 AM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! [You can vote Democrat when you're dead]...)
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To: KeyLargo

On one hand I agree, Romney’s spin machine basically sucked.

On the other hand though, the GOP is weakening terribly. We are exporting (American) jobs then wondering why our support is decreasing.

Bring back American jobs. Now.


3 posted on 12/05/2012 7:15:06 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: KeyLargo

....and America lost.


4 posted on 12/05/2012 7:17:30 AM PST by Parley Baer
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To: KeyLargo
Interesting but flawed analysis. It was Romney who blew his own campaign. His unwillingness, or inability, to attack Obama on any of the 1,000 issues that could have doomed him resulted in a Romney loss. Please repeat after me:

Romney ran as a boxing gentleman, refusing to beat Obama with his secret, hidden record when Romney certainly had the resources to find and have published Obama's hidden past. Obama ran as a rabid attack dog, and won. Big surprise.

5 posted on 12/05/2012 7:21:54 AM PST by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: pabianice

It was a sorry thing that Romney lost. What is even sorrier is that although we know there was massive electoral fraud, Romney has dissappeared into the background and seems not bothered to make an effort to correct this for the next election.


6 posted on 12/05/2012 7:26:53 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Venturer
We have yet to reach a tipping point when enough people have had enough of Democrat fraud and thuggery and run them out of office. Until then, we will all suffer.

"Maybe freedom can't be inherited. Maybe it has to be earned by each new generation." -- from the miniseries "Amerika."

7 posted on 12/05/2012 7:31:02 AM PST by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: Free Vulcan
How would you be able to project the factor of the cheat?

That is why it was each State's responsibility to make certain the vote was legitimate. Neither Ohio, Pennsylvania or Floridah bothered to prevent or correct the significant and blatant voter fraud.

The biggest question I have about the election was why the States are not willing to go after vote fraud and why the FEC fails to stop nobama’s foreign campaign money. It would seem they do not care about the integrity of the election and ultimately the sovernty of America.

8 posted on 12/05/2012 7:34:16 AM PST by X-spurt (Ted Cruz for President of the Republic of Texas)
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To: pabianice

As a side note, I was talking with my neighbor recently. She and all of her family are devout Christians. She said that she voted for Romney, “but you know that he is not a Christian don’t you?”

Geesh. I thought that is was just many Evangelicals that believed Romney was a Devil worshiper, but I guess that I was wrong. Sarc.....

Anyway, it was a lot of factors, including poor advisors that doomed Romney to the ash heep of failed GOP candidates.


9 posted on 12/05/2012 7:38:09 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

Karl Rove lost for one simple reason ... he is a raging buffoon. He, Dick Morris and a host of others need to go away. We need real Conservatives with real analysis, not doing that “this is what they want to hear so I can get them to vote for me” BS.

They need to stop blaming fantasies and look in the morror.


10 posted on 12/05/2012 7:41:46 AM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

You raise an excellent point.

We can debate the pros and cons, but embracing the Ross Perot platform on foreign trade and jobs would revive this party in a hurry. Not that I expect they’d ever do it.


11 posted on 12/05/2012 7:43:36 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: X-spurt

Well obviously that was said a little tongue-in-cheek. Rove obviously wasn’t considering the cheat factor, though I guess in retrospect he should have.

Most states don’t have the laws in place to deal with it. Enough don’t have voter ID, and too many have same day registration, just for starters.

In the ‘14 state elections, we need to win as many GOP legislatures as possible, and voter ID needs to be our top goal, followed by limiting union bargaining power. Those two things would set us up for ‘16 more than anything we could do.


12 posted on 12/05/2012 7:49:48 AM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! [You can vote Democrat when you're dead]...)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Well I agree but will put a bit of a twist on it. We need to get more populist. Articulate the same principles, but in a way that reaches people’s gut and not their head. Voters are a bit defensive and feral, and we have to relate to them on the level where they are at, not where we want them to be.


13 posted on 12/05/2012 7:54:36 AM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! [You can vote Democrat when you're dead]...)
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To: KeyLargo

Soros spent a lot of money trying to get John Kerry elected in 2004. He spent a lot of money getting Obama elected in 2008. He’ll spend a lot of money to get Hillary elected in 2016. Is it because he’s a big liberal Democrat? Nope. It’s about oil....black gold.....Texas Tea.


14 posted on 12/05/2012 8:00:17 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Free Vulcan

Rove has been around long enough to know the ropes.

No matter how many millions you spend on TV ads explaining valid differences between candidates, those dead and imaginary democrat voters never pay attention.

Rove’s money would have acommplished more if he spent it prparing for, and protecting against, democrat voter fraud in critical precincts in swing states.

Democrats know they only have to manufacture a few thousand votes in specific precincts to swing an entire state.


15 posted on 12/05/2012 8:03:27 AM PST by Iron Munro (Big Moo & Bronco 'Bama = Robbing From The Hood and Boy Blunder)
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To: Free Vulcan
.... and we have to relate to them on the level where they are at, not where we want them to be....

Speak roman to the romans.

If a person can relate to the candidate, there is a better chance to win them over.

16 posted on 12/05/2012 8:14:29 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: KeyLargo

Rove is a fat lying douche. But so is everyone else on Fox News, Limbaugh, “let not your heart be troubled” idiot Hannity, Levin, and all the rest. We were played for fools. They wanted our contributions to make the fat cats richer, but they all knew the fix was in. The Republicans and Democrats serve the same master, and that master wants us all to be poor and enslaved. Time to wake up and realize that the Republic died a long time ago. Not in 2012. Not in 2008. Probably even before George W. Bush. The America of my childhood is a memory now. We live in a post-Constitutional police state now.


17 posted on 12/05/2012 8:23:30 AM PST by Astronaut
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To: KeyLargo
Ward and Clews call Rove “the political world’s pre-eminent empty-suit analyst” who wasted $300 million that could have been used to defeat Obama, elect real conservatives to Congress, and underwrite the activities of authentic conservative groups. They say Rove’s strategy of moving to the center and the left, in order to appeal to Obama voters, “drove away millions of hardcore conservative activists who form the base of the Republican Party.”

/facepalm

18 posted on 12/05/2012 8:27:29 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Free Vulcan
None was tongue in cheek. Dead serious.

Rove’s on the air protesting likely his knowing Ohio projections was fraud driven.

I understand that in America's past it may not have been such a great need to protect against voter fraud, that has changed. Now one party is quite happy to adulterate Freedom and Liberty under the Soviet philosophy of “end justifies the means”.

Because of our historical inattention, the dems have perfected vote fraud into an art form. America and our previous Liberty may be gone forever without significant and probably violent resistance.

19 posted on 12/05/2012 9:34:47 AM PST by X-spurt (Ted Cruz for President of the Republic of Texas)
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To: X-spurt
It would seem they do not care about the integrity of the election and ultimately the sovernty of America.

They don't. I've sat and listened to liberal relatives tell me they'd just as soon that America and all nation-states disappeared, under the assumption that a worldwide Imperium governed by murderers and genocides would treat them gently and solicit their opinions as the star by which to steer the global Ship of State (or Barge of Death, whatever).

20 posted on 12/05/2012 9:50:33 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Astronaut
Time to wake up and realize that the Republic died a long time ago.

About 1860. That's when the Karl Roves and Warren Buffetts took over.

21 posted on 12/05/2012 9:53:33 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: RIghtwardHo

Rove was not wrong. His analysis in an honest election was correct. Tragically he did not realize that criminals who control the democrat party defrauded the electorate with bogus results. The election was stolen. That explains his shock and disbelief.


22 posted on 12/05/2012 10:24:44 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: X-spurt

Well it’s easy to perfect when it’s so loose and porous to begin with.

For instance, not only should you not be able to same-day register, you should have an in-state ID with you if you are from out of state, and you should provide proof of both new AND old address, preferably with your old voter ID card. That should then be sent to the Secretary of State’s office for them to get your name off the other states voter list, and NOT let you vote till that is done.

There are a zillion things you can do to tighten up the holes in the process.


23 posted on 12/05/2012 11:06:06 AM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! [You can vote Democrat when you're dead]...)
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To: Free Vulcan
To put more intelligence back in and less grifters voting, I suggest anyone taking a handout from the government waiving right to vote during the time they are taking.

SS is NOT a handout, we paid too much for that measly payback already. Medicare, let me buy my own insurance, but what lots do not know, if you don't sign up for Medicare Part A you can not get your SS.

ADC, Food Stamps, SSI, Medicaid, bamaClaus phone and a million other ways hidden from us are a handout.

24 posted on 12/05/2012 12:47:16 PM PST by X-spurt (Ted Cruz for President of the Republic of Texas)
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