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Obama: We Are Not Going To Negotiate With The Debt Ceiling
Livewire ^ | 12/5/12 | Taintor

Posted on 12/05/2012 10:02:27 AM PST by pabianice

Obama: We Are Not Going To Negotiate With The Debt Ceiling

David Taintor 11:19 AM EST, Wednesday December 5, 2012

President Obama on Wednesday described Republicans who are considering holding the debt ceiling vote hostage in additional negotiations after the so-called fiscal cliff in January as partaking in a "bad strategy for America."

"I will not play that game," Obama told business leaders at a quarterly meeting of the Business Roundtable in Washington. "We are not going to play that game next year. We've got to break that habit before it starts."


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He wants to go over the "cliff." He will then blame the Repubs while Boehner cries and wets his pants. They take the House in 2014.
1 posted on 12/05/2012 10:02:30 AM PST by pabianice
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To: pabianice

He is going to EO himself the right to raise the debt limit and the spineless Pubbies will not do a damn thing about it.


2 posted on 12/05/2012 10:05:30 AM PST by mykroar (BAD-ANON: One Game At A Time)
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To: pabianice

Once he gets Boehner to back down on one thing, he goes for another. This is so ugly and horrifying to watch.


3 posted on 12/05/2012 10:09:07 AM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: WashingtonSource

fight him tooth and nail...

we can’t let conservative finger prints get on these bills.

pass the house budget... then just sit..

if we loose the house in 2014, and I think we will, let them do their 2 more years of damage...

it’s going to take complete and utter damage and ultimate collapse of our economy to occur for American’s to finally wake up from their slumber.

otherwise it’s death by a thousand cuts.


4 posted on 12/05/2012 10:13:31 AM PST by Chuzzlewit
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To: pabianice

0bama on Representative government and our Constitution: “We’ve got to break that habit before it starts” FUBO!


5 posted on 12/05/2012 10:16:56 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: pabianice
No blame will come, obama is going full-blown Lenin on all of the opposition, and the boot licking GOP lackeys will go along with it in the guise of “loyal” opposition, to stay in the good graces of the ruling party.
6 posted on 12/05/2012 10:18:26 AM PST by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: pabianice

Who Said It?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-05/who-said-it


7 posted on 12/05/2012 10:20:32 AM PST by ltc8k6
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To: pabianice
If we had a real House Majority Leader...

"Debt ceiling? Do you know anything about any debt ceiling, Paul? I never heard of it. What was it you wanted us to do about it, Mr. Obama? Oh, very well. I'll refer it to committee and...hmmm, let me see...maybe in three or four years they can give us a recommendation whether this so-called ceiling needs to be adjusted - one way or the other. These things take time, you understand."

8 posted on 12/05/2012 10:24:21 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: Chuzzlewit

Boner has no intention of cutting spending.

If he did, he would never have kicked Tea Party conservatives off of finance committees.

The reason boner, and we as well, are going to lose is simple.

We go over the cliff.

By the end of January, obumbler will introduce legislation to cut taxes for the so called middle class and to restore all of their deductions.

If the repubs refuse to go along, they are then painted as bad guys.

If they go along, obumbler and the lib press will hail themselves as heroes who forced the repubs and saved the middle class.

It is a lose lose choice.

So what the repubs should do right now, including the most die hard Tea Party members is take their Christmas vacation beginning tomorrow morning and not even go back until the day new members are sworn in.

After all, obumbler is taking his vacation, so why not?

The key to solving our problems is to, after all of the noise over taxes dies down, unfund all of the lib pet projects...EPA, Dept of Education, obumbler care, ....

No money can be spent without the approval of the house.

I would even try to ground Air Force One.


9 posted on 12/05/2012 10:26:22 AM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: pabianice
I guess this means he won't negotiate on that part of the bill that gives him unlimited debt ceiling so there are no more votes on raising the debt limit. If he gets that, he will use executive orders for massive spending.

He will have to do it that way as the House would vote down massive spending bills. I say that, but after Boehner took conservatives off committees that have to do with spending, I don't know if anything would be voted down in the House as members have to agree with Boehner to stay on committees. Boehner has turned himself into a dictator.

10 posted on 12/05/2012 10:29:31 AM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today.)
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To: old curmudgeon
A Christmas vacation opens the door to recess appointments. That could be even worse.
11 posted on 12/05/2012 10:30:15 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: pabianice

I am OK with Clinton era tax rates along with Clinton expenditures.


12 posted on 12/05/2012 10:30:15 AM PST by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: pabianice
Obama Sock puppet's handlers say: We Are Not Going To Negotiate With The Debt Ceiling
13 posted on 12/05/2012 10:35:04 AM PST by laweeks
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To: pabianice
Cut spending. Stop playing games, Obama.

This is your economy! You and wanting to make us pay.

The House Republicans have the majority. They should say, Nothing more for you!

14 posted on 12/05/2012 10:35:16 AM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt. Our nation's foundation is under attack.)
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To: pabianice

Fairly clear now that Obama and the Progresso’s want to destroy the worlds only reserve currency. We cannot let this happen. To borrow an Algore Global Warming metaphor - The entire planet hangs in the balance.


15 posted on 12/05/2012 10:36:18 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: pabianice
So he will just declare himself Maximum Leader and spend whatever he wants without Congressional action? Well, maybe. Boehner won't stop him and Boehner will probably just pass a debt ceiling increase anyway to avoid any headaches...
16 posted on 12/05/2012 10:36:37 AM PST by Truth29
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To: old curmudgeon

vacation at same time for the House as the Prez.. That is an interesting idea.


17 posted on 12/05/2012 10:36:37 AM PST by Chuzzlewit
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To: pabianice

You got it. This is a no-win for Republicans. It won’t matter, Obama is going to get what he wants one way or the other. He does not want a deal—he wants a fiscal cliff, he wants economic chaos. He couldn’t care less about his country, he only cares about political power.


18 posted on 12/05/2012 10:38:53 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: pabianice

I love his use of the royal “we”


19 posted on 12/05/2012 10:40:25 AM PST by Mom MD (T he country needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask)
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To: pabianice
We don't need no stink'n constitution. I know what's best for the country.

Things could go south quickly...

5.56mm

20 posted on 12/05/2012 10:41:07 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: pabianice

We Are Not Going To Negotiate With The Debt Ceiling

In other words:
Go screw yourself, I ain’t making s budget. I’m spending as much as I possible can.


21 posted on 12/05/2012 10:46:15 AM PST by chainsaw ("Two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by Obama")
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To: pabianice
I really starting to think the whole thing was a set-up. going back to the “Super committee” that was supposed to negotiate a “deal”. The ‘Rats knew back then that the whole thing was set up to fail. The Committee failed, so they set the “fiscal cliff” trap for the ‘Pubs. They knew that the media would browbeat the sheeple into blaming the ‘Pubs, that would result in their regaining the House in ‘14 after Obama won in ‘12. Obama will get no blame, only credit if something is worked out, and the ‘Rats will use that as fodder to re-take the House. The ‘Rats knew the fiscal cliff was a no-win for the ‘Pubs, and win-win for them. So they don't care. Go over the cliff, the ‘Pubs get the blame and the ‘Rats win and re-take the House. Work out a “deal”, which will be just the ‘Pubs caving to every ‘Rat demand, then they win because they get the credit for “leadership” and they re-take the House. It was a set-up from the get-go.
22 posted on 12/05/2012 10:48:17 AM PST by chimera
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To: pabianice

Obamugabe: Dictator for Life.


23 posted on 12/05/2012 10:50:49 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Myrddin

Then don’t call it vacation.

In the first place, the dims can’t take vacation until they vote for obumber’s spending/tax program.

They could do that in one day, but I doubt it because it first has to be written up as a bill.

But suppose they do.

Don’t call it vacation. Just have all conservatives who have worries about re-election get the flu. Call in sick.

Then the ones who remain can be out in the hall drinking coffee or going to the bathroom when the vote is called.

Or they can all stay there and vote present. That would keep the dims from sneaking through other legislation that they might otherwise attempt to do.

The point is that the conservatives must let obumbler have his way on the tax thing, like it or not, and the constituents have to understand that it is not reneging on a campaign promise...it is a tactical retreat.

Sucker punch, bunt....whatever, there is a time when hitting a home run is not in the cards and you have to resort to other tactics.


24 posted on 12/05/2012 10:56:42 AM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: pabianice
They take the House in 2014.

There have been a lot of "final nails" in the coffin of America. This would truly be the last nail. With Pelosi back at the helm as SOTH, she & Reid will find a way to repeal the 22nd Amendment. Perhaps they'll just "deem" it repealed without a vote!

25 posted on 12/05/2012 10:57:09 AM PST by mellow velo (Oxymorons: jumbo shrimp, rap music, liberal think-tank)
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To: pabianice

No matter how much he wats to control the debt ceiling he’s sh*t out of luck on that deal,it’s congress that hold the keys to that bus.
The sh*t for brains is seeing to many unicorns.


26 posted on 12/05/2012 10:57:48 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: pabianice; Timber Rattler; SeekAndFind; DanMiller; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; ...
RE :”Obama: We Are Not Going To Negotiate With The Debt Ceiling, David Taintor 11:19 AM EST, Wednesday December 5, 2012,
President Obama on Wednesday described Republicans who are considering holding the debt ceiling vote hostage in additional negotiations after the so-called fiscal cliff in January as partaking in a “bad strategy for America.”
“I will not play that game,” Obama told business leaders at a quarterly meeting of the Business Roundtable in Washington. “We are not going to play that game next year. We've got to break that habit before it starts.”

Duhhh!
This is why Bohner’s negotiating makes no sense(he is probably just playing to voters sympathy for when the cliff hits but it wont work)

Obama promised those tax increases as a major campaign promises and he won and the polls overwhelmingly show that voters will blame Republicans for the off the cliff(I am sick of that nick-name) , and polls are showing little disapproval of the tax increases O promises, so O hase absolutely no reason to give on anything, and all the reason to hold out till Rs cave. So this negotiation is all a waste of time and attention

Once again

stop negotiating, and no passing tax increase bills in house

Pass the partial extension <$250K and send to Senate

Get on TV and let voters know you (House Rs) saved voters from a tax increases

Declare on TV Obama crisis over

Beg Obama (show for voters) ON TV to NOT raise taxes on job creators, tell voters you did everything you could do to stop it and why its bad. Voters give Obama credit for raising them even though they are automatic, he cant get out of that.

Let everything else go over the cliff. no restored spending, no stimulus, no nothing

You made your bed Dems. Blame every problem for the next 4 years on those Obama tax increases

27 posted on 12/05/2012 10:59:24 AM PST by sickoflibs (Has Bohner caved yet? And called it historic again?)
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To: pabianice
The 2014 elections are a long way off and with the last round of redistricting I think it will be tough for the Dems to take back the house regardless of the fiscal cliff situation. By November of 2014 things could be bad enough where the President and the Dems get a lot of blame and we take even a few more seats for the House.
28 posted on 12/05/2012 10:59:54 AM PST by aegiscg47
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To: pabianice

Yep, that’s what the little confab with the MSNBC talking heads was about. Lining up the media to blast the GOP for this and turn the House.

Another crisis that won’t go to waste.


29 posted on 12/05/2012 11:16:27 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: aegiscg47
By November of 2014 things could be bad enough where the President and the Dems get a lot of blame and we take even a few more seats for the House.

If the media had most of the electorate blaming Bush after four years of this fustercluck, I have no confidence that they'll start blaming the Dems in two more years. Or eight more years. Or perhaps 88.


30 posted on 12/05/2012 11:21:31 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Chuzzlewit

We have to fight and then we will win the House and Senate in 2014. The huge fallout from continued Obamunism and Obamacare will lead to Tea Party II!

Fight, fight, fight! With all our strength and might!


31 posted on 12/05/2012 11:50:28 AM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: pabianice

he’s not negotiating ANYTHING!

He just needs a simpe eff-u.

Don’t offer anything, don’t authorize an increase, and let him scream.

We’ll be blamed anyway, so why bother?


32 posted on 12/05/2012 11:53:11 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: pabianice

Oh, you better not work.
you better not try.
you better not earn.
Im telling you why.
The Federal Partys’ are coming to town.

They sees you when youre building.
They wants what you all make.

that being rich is a mistake.

oh you better not work.
you better not try.
you better not earn.
Im telling you why.

Every Party Bureucrat is coming to town.

They’ll tell you to be thankful.
to bow down and give thanks.
or send you to a Arbeitsziehungslager camp.
to get your thinking straight.

oh you better not work.
you better not try.
you better not earn.
telling you why.
Both Federal Work Camp Partys’ are coming to town.

oh you better not work.
you better not try.
you better not earn.
Im telling you why.
The Federal Government coooming tooo tooown in every way!


33 posted on 12/05/2012 11:53:11 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: pabianice

Oops! Someone perverted my post!

Oh, you better not work.
you better not try.
you better not earn.
I’m telling you why.
Obama Claus is coming to town.

He sees you when you’re building.
he wants what you all make.
he’ll tell the 47 per cent.
that being rich is a mistake.

oh you better not work.
you better not try.
you better not earn.
I’m telling you why.

Obama Claus is coming to town.

he’ll tell you to be thankful.
to bow down and give thanks.
or he’ll send you to a FEMA camp.
to get your thinking “straight”.

oh you better not work.
you better not try.
you better not earn.
I’m telling you why.
Obama Claus is coming to town.

he’ll give you a free cell phone.
say Obamacare is great.
he’ll tell you being a success.
is something you should hate.

oh you better not work.
you better not try.
you better not earn.
I’m telling you why.
Obama Claus is coooming tooo tooown!


34 posted on 12/05/2012 11:54:07 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: sickoflibs; pabianice; Timber Rattler; SeekAndFind; DanMiller; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; ...

” Let everything else go over the cliff. no restored spending, no stimulus, no nothing

You made your bed Dems. Blame every problem for the next 4 years on those Obama tax increases “

Bingo


35 posted on 12/05/2012 11:54:12 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: pabianice
obama coronation
36 posted on 12/05/2012 12:04:38 PM PST by FrankR (They will become our ultimate masters the day we surrender the 2nd Amendment.)
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To: pabianice
Is that the royal We???
37 posted on 12/05/2012 12:06:22 PM PST by mware (By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West)
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To: pabianice

If you raise the “debt ceiling” every time you hit the debt ceiling, it isn’t really a “debt ceiling”.

And the “debt ceiling” isn’t a physical thing. It is a LAW duly passed by congress, and signed into law by a lawful president, which is based on the constitutional principle that the congress is the body which can borrow money against the credit of the country.

So we aren’t playing a “debt limit” game, we are following the law, which sets the debt ceiling, which is supposed to control how much money we can borrow, and is used by our creditors to decide whether we are a good credit risk.

When we last raised the limit, we lost our AAA rating, because we are a riskier investment. If we raise it again, we’ll lose more rating, unless we put into law a plan to pay back the debt, by controlling our spending.

In only one sense is the debt limit a game — the fact that congress, both republican and democrat, seem to ignore the debt limit when they are putting budgets together, because they don’t propose budgets that keep the nation under the debt ceiling.

I think what they SHOULD do is pass a debt limit that changes based on whatever criteria defines a reasonable debt, like a percentage of GDP, or whatever that measure is. But beyond that, a real change in the debt should require a vote to authorize that debt.

And the House should not play a game either. They should pass a debt ceiling increase now, with the appropriate changes in spending to show they are serious.

The game is all this stupid negotiation stuff. Stop negotiating, and start passing bills. There is a process. House passes bill, senate passes bill, house and senate get together to reconcile bills, then house and senate approve reconciliation, and the president signs or vetoes.

It is stupid to try to circumvent that process by advance negotiations.


38 posted on 12/05/2012 1:40:55 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Vaduz
“No matter how much he wants to control the debt ceiling he’s sh*t out of luck on that deal,it’s congress that hold the keys to that bus.”

Perhaps you don't know this - part of the bill Hussein wants passed, does away with a spending cap so there would be no more voting to raise it - Hussein can spend whatever he wants if the bill passes with that part still in it. He'll likely use executive orders to spend the money and bypass the House and Senate and with no spending caps, he's on his way.

39 posted on 12/05/2012 5:17:50 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today.)
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To: pabianice

how about breaking the democrat’s bad habits of not putting forth budgets each year for the last 4 years? you know not upholding their constitutonal duties?


40 posted on 12/05/2012 5:23:29 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: sickoflibs

As Mark Levin said, the Republicans should buy a half hour of tv time and tell their side of the story in a strong and powerful way. But then, we would need some strong and powerful people.


41 posted on 12/05/2012 8:53:45 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: cradle of freedom
RE:”As Mark Levin said, the Republicans should buy a half hour of tv time and tell their side of the story in a strong and powerful way. But then, we would need some strong and powerful people.”

What side of the story is that? He must realize that Republicans put up Romney to tell that story and he failed.

House Republicans are leaking that they will extend the middle class tax cuts this year and nothing else till next year, as they had little choice on.

If you listened carefully Bohner and CO never said that they will refuse to extend those tax cuts in a separate bill. It was Dems that kept saying that Rs are holding those tax cuts hostage to the rich, and Rs let them do it to them.

Maybe (House Rs) thought it still was two years ago when O gave in on taxes. But back then I explained that he (O) did that on purpose for his own reasons that he wont have now. The two situations are completely different,

42 posted on 12/06/2012 4:44:07 AM PST by sickoflibs (Has Bohner caved yet? And called it historic again?)
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To: Marcella

Not much of getting rid of spending caps his party members are starting to get wobble on his plan.


43 posted on 12/06/2012 8:59:55 AM PST by Vaduz
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