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Conservatives Declare War on Karl Rove
Business Insider ^ | 11/5/2012 | Grace Wyler

Posted on 12/05/2012 10:50:34 AM PST by katiedidit1

Grassroots Republican operatives and Movement conservatives are quickly turning against the GOP Establishment in the wake of the party's expensive defeat this election cycle.

Republicans we spoke to this week voiced a near-universal disgust with the national Republican Party leaders and Washington political class, who are seen as having put personal financial interest above winning the election.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/karl-rove-gop-money-civil-war-republicans-2012-11#ixzz2ECkUPpGG

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1 posted on 12/05/2012 10:50:38 AM PST by katiedidit1
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To: katiedidit1

For social conservatives, the treason began long before election day, when Rove led the party’s tar-and-feathering of Missouri Senate candidate Todd Akin, after Akin’s now infamous “legitimate rape” comments. The GOP’s perceived betrayal of Akin confirmed what many grassroots conservative activists had long suspected: That the Republican Establishment was willing to throw the base under the bus to serve the interests of deep-pocketed donors.

Chief among Rove’s critics is David Lane, a powerful evangelical kingmaker and conservative operative who organizes briefings between pastors and politicians. In an email obtained by Business Insider, Lane lays out his criticism of Rove and sets the stage clearly for the coming war between the GOP Establishment and the party base.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/karl-rove-gop-money-civil-war-republicans-2012-11#ixzz2ECktQ08k


2 posted on 12/05/2012 10:52:16 AM PST by katiedidit1
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To: katiedidit1

I’ve posted this a number of times and do so again inasmuch as THIS is a constantly recurring problem and some may not grasp how widespread it is.

If you want to know why I’ve cautioned my many friends to NOT SEND THE RNC A NICKLE, READ ON.

Over the years – when, to steal a line from Billy Joel, I wore a younger man’s clothes – I was involved with several pretty solid conservative candidates for Congress. One was a Democrat (Lawrence Patton McDonald) – because that was the only way he could win in that district. Those old-timers who know Larry’s record will tell you that he was a solid an anti-communist America Firster and more Republican than the Pubbies in nearby districts at the time. (His mother’s cousin was General George Patton from whom he got the middle name – and his incredible resolve and love of this country.) How ironic that he, like General Patton, was also assassinated by the communists they both despised.

Those other candidates ran as Republicans. Because I was a rabid Bircher back then (still am philosophically!), those candidates had to pass my rigid litmus test or I went looking for someone who did. For that reason, I hooked up with what the TRADITIONAL country club Pubbie establishment types believed were too radical for their refined tastes.

As those campaigns began to unfold and it became clear to the country clubbers that these guys 1) had a shot and 2) were pretty independent thinkers who would be hard to keep on the reservation once they got sworn in, the local Pubbies communicated that information to the Republican National HQ types who rather quickly sent in campaign “professionals” ostensibly to lock up the impending victory.

Instead, in nearly every case to which I was privy, these “professionals” proceeded to TORPEDO our guy’s campaign in subtle but effective ways.

From that experience I can tell you that the Pubbies at the HQ in D.C. would rather have a Democrat win a given district than have a pubbie up there who would embarrass them by refusing to follow the party line.

If YOU become involved in campaigns for solidly conservative, America and Constitution loving, hard-nosed, independent thinking candidates in 2012 and beyond – and I pray many of you do — please DO NOT trust any of those folks from GOP HQ in Washington. If they want to send you no-strings cash for your campaign, take it. If, however, they “suggest” sending in one of their “professionals,” tell them to fuggetaboutit.

They ARE WHO GOT US INTO THIS MESS AND THEY ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS!!!!

“The common and continual mischief of the spirit of Party is
sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to
discourage and restrain it.” G. Washington

(BTW, My genealogical research informs me that my 5th great-grandfather, one John Carpenter, was one of George Washington’s Virginia neighbors and fought with GW in the French and Indian War and the Revolution. Prior to that, John travelled with GW during his survey of the Northwest Territories.)


3 posted on 12/05/2012 10:53:04 AM PST by Dick Bachert (Obama for president -- of KENYA!)
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To: katiedidit1; Evil Slayer; elephant; Uncle Chip; Jim Robinson; onyx; Goldie Lurks

Article is a spin off on Rove’s fall from grace with Fox News. It expands on Rove’s strategy to eliminate Newt, Perry, Santorum and ensure a Romney victory.
Are we rattling the establishment’s cage? there is a war brewing for control of the republican party. Tea Party activists are not done yet.


4 posted on 12/05/2012 10:55:52 AM PST by katiedidit1
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To: katiedidit1

Rove could possibly serve as a tactician, but his ego won’t let him do that. He needs to go fishing.


5 posted on 12/05/2012 10:57:27 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: katiedidit1

The usual circular firing squad bs and search for a scapegoat.

Truth is the NATION itself has moved significantly to the Left——we are now a nation of takers, not producers.

Mitt Romney spent most of his campaign promising to help business and create new jobs. The electorate wanted none of it. The Marxist Community Agitator promised more free stuff.

You vote for Obama you get higher taxes.

You vote for Obama you get more spending.

You vote for Obama you get bigger deficits.

You vote for Obama you get Obamacare.

You vote for Obama you get much bigger government.

Elections matter. Obama was no mystery in 2012-—he had a track record we could all judge.

The American people voted for crap. Now the crap is coming. Elections matter.


6 posted on 12/05/2012 10:57:30 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: katiedidit1

It seems odd to me, that people hold Rove to account for “destroying the brand” (or whatever—you know what I mean), but give a pass to Akin for doing the same. Granted, one is not a politician, but still.


7 posted on 12/05/2012 10:58:39 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: katiedidit1

Screw Rove! I’m at war with darn near the whole Republican Party!

Both of my Senators are in my sights for getting primaried. Chambliss is up in 2014, and I’ve been reading about Herman Cain’s name coming up to run against him. If so, then he’s my man. Otherwise, whoever else runs against Chambliss is my guy (or gal). Even Sarah Palin’s endorsement of Chambliss couldn’t convince me to vote for him.


8 posted on 12/05/2012 11:00:38 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Dick Bachert
Rove and the establishment may have won the battle this go around but the war is just beginning. I know exactly how you feel about the good conservatives being thrown off the cliff. I remember when Ollie North ran for senate in Virginia..the establishment threw everything at him.
We have to take control of the GOP or die trying. I hope your candidate..Lawrence Patton McDonald is still active in politics. We need people like him and need them desperately.
9 posted on 12/05/2012 11:01:06 AM PST by katiedidit1
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To: katiedidit1
Somewhere Christine O'Donnell is smiling.


10 posted on 12/05/2012 11:03:39 AM PST by McGruff (No New RINOs!)
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To: katiedidit1

Any party wanting to claim legitimacy should have thrown Todd Akin under the bus. He’s an idiot. I’m surprised that of all the things you can be mad at Rove for that this is the one you picked out.


11 posted on 12/05/2012 11:03:43 AM PST by ksen
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To: katiedidit1

Larry was murdered in 1983 aboard KAL007.
If you’ll Freepmail me your email addy, I’ll send you some of the remarks that got him killed.


12 posted on 12/05/2012 11:03:43 AM PST by Dick Bachert (Obama for president -- of KENYA!)
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To: katiedidit1

Add Gov John Sununu NH to the list, big mouth, no balls.


13 posted on 12/05/2012 11:03:50 AM PST by tiger-one
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To: katiedidit1
Not just Conservatives.

FOX NEWS IS KEEPING KARL ROVE & DICK MORRIS OFF THE AIR FOLLOWING POOR ELECTION PREDICTIONS, REPORT CLAIMS

14 posted on 12/05/2012 11:05:39 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: ksen

Akin has one of the most conservative voting records in congress. He is no idiot. He has a degree in engineering and theology.
Rove divided the party and threw even more media attention on the gaffe. Only a fool would have voted for McCaskill over Akin. Rove went after every candidate running to ensure that Romney was the nominee..so who is the idiot? Rove bashed Newt, Perry, Santorum and even the Tea Party. He can go to hell


15 posted on 12/05/2012 11:09:32 AM PST by katiedidit1
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
Mitt Romney spent most of his campaign promising to help business and create new jobs. The electorate wanted none of it. The Marxist Community Agitator promised more free stuff.


The facts don’t agree with you.
White males stayed home because they didn’t trust Romney.
All this whining that the country is turning left is getting old.
Buy a clue before you come in here spewing this crap
16 posted on 12/05/2012 11:09:49 AM PST by Joshua
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
Mitt Romney spent most of his campaign promising to help business and create new jobs. The electorate wanted none of it. The Marxist Community Agitator promised more free stuff.


The facts don’t agree with you.
White males stayed home because they didn’t trust Romney.
All this whining that the country is turning left is getting old.
Buy a clue before you come in here spewing this crap
17 posted on 12/05/2012 11:10:02 AM PST by Joshua
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

Mitt Romney spent most of his campaign promising to help business and create new jobs. The electorate wanted none of it. The Marxist Community Agitator promised more free stuff.


The facts don’t agree with you.
White males stayed home because they didn’t trust Romney.
All this whining that the country is turning left is getting old.
Buy a clue before you come in here spewing this crap


18 posted on 12/05/2012 11:10:12 AM PST by Joshua
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To: TexasCajun
I am ecstatic!
19 posted on 12/05/2012 11:10:40 AM PST by katiedidit1
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To: blueunicorn6

He needs to go fishing.

Maybe Darth Cheney can take him hunting.


20 posted on 12/05/2012 11:12:01 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: 1rudeboy
It seems odd to me, that people hold Rove to account for “destroying the brand” (or whatever—you know what I mean), but give a pass to Akin for doing the same. Granted, one is not a politician, but still.

Simple tribal politics based on religion and not color.

David Lane, a powerful evangelical kingmaker and conservative operative

No danger signs there.

(s)

Mr. niteowl77

21 posted on 12/05/2012 11:13:58 AM PST by niteowl77 (Getting stuck with other peoples' just desserts good and hard for over 50 years.)
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To: katiedidit1

If Bonehead B*llless Boehner is Ldr of the Louses next election, the repulsicans can expect no donations from me.


22 posted on 12/05/2012 11:14:02 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: katiedidit1

Looks like Fox has finally deep sixed Tokyo as well as Dick Morris.


23 posted on 12/05/2012 11:18:19 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

The usual circular firing squad bs and search for a scapegoat.

Truth is the NATION itself has moved significantly to the Left——we are now a nation of takers,

****************

Yes, the Nation has moved to the left, but we could still be doing better and would do so by getting rid of the RINOS. Right now, we need to be doing what is right even if we lose. What we have going for us is that leftism does not work. The Nation will have to change or go down.


24 posted on 12/05/2012 11:21:08 AM PST by Socon-Econ
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To: katiedidit1

I will never vote for any Democrat and I will never again vote for a Republican Presidential Candidate.


25 posted on 12/05/2012 11:27:24 AM PST by trailboss800
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To: katiedidit1

Anyone who talks about “legitimate rape” is an idiot.


26 posted on 12/05/2012 11:33:31 AM PST by ksen
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To: Gaffer

Read PPP reports Herman Cain out polls Chambliss.

Nice.

I would sniff and smirk at the source, PPP, except they kicked our go-to pollster crowd, from here to kingdom come.


27 posted on 12/05/2012 11:39:23 AM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: RitaOK

I don’t care who it was from. If Herman goes agains Saxby, he’s got the max contribution I can give him. I want that bastard Chambliss GONE!


28 posted on 12/05/2012 11:42:00 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: ksen

You have to be kidding. A single stupid remark hardly outweighs solid conservative credentials, and it hardly deserves the total orchestrated abandonment of said conservative in exchange for a Marxist supporting Marxist.

Take it elsewhere. I think Rove has a website you might like.


29 posted on 12/05/2012 11:47:21 AM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Gaffer

Yes!


30 posted on 12/05/2012 11:48:27 AM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: katiedidit1
The RNC called me last week looking for money to "fight Obama." I told them to relay this message: GO POUND SAND. Not another DIME from me as long as the GOP-E trashes the tea-party and the base. Not another dime from me until they stand up for REAL conservative principles. Then I told them I was changing my party affiliation and they would be lucky if they ever got another vote from me again. If that means democrats win...SO BE IT. I would rather get stabbed in my chest than in my back.

I can only hope others are doing the same.

31 posted on 12/05/2012 11:54:19 AM PST by NELSON111
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To: 1rudeboy
It seems odd to me, that people hold Rove to account for “destroying the brand” (or whatever—you know what I mean), but give a pass to Akin for doing the same. Granted, one is not a politician, but still.

One was just a guy running for a Senate seat, the other is a major architect of republican politics who has been structuring and shaping the party in his anti-conservative image for years and doing irreparable damage to the party and costing us elections and political victories and continually moving the party left.

Part of the rino strategy is to use minor names to try and conceal the disaster at the top, Rove, Rinos, and Romney pulling off a national defeat when facing Carter's second term.

32 posted on 12/05/2012 11:54:36 AM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: RitaOK
I think Rove has a website you might like.

I doubt it, I can't stand the prick.

33 posted on 12/05/2012 11:56:34 AM PST by ksen
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To: ksen

Anybody whose self righteous preening precedes his casting stones at a conservative for a gaffe, is an idiot, and also a pinko.

You got your Marxist senate majority. You got your Marxist Obama lackey, the socialist Rove pick, Marxist McRascal. Be happy at DU.


34 posted on 12/05/2012 12:02:34 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: ksen

You’re the idiot.

Numerous learned papers assert the same things Akin said, and supply proof, beyond the anecdotal proof that also supports Akin.


35 posted on 12/05/2012 12:02:42 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Socon-Econ

when Reagan who two MASSIVE landslides... I don’t remember the left giving up and moving to the right on any of their positions.

They simply said what they always say when they lose. Their message just didn’t get out.

Face it, the conservative message just was not articulated properly by a now obviously flawed candidate. And that is the sole reason we lost. Conservatism was NOT rejected, Romney was.


36 posted on 12/05/2012 12:05:09 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: ksen

Oh? Can’t stand Rove?

Well, he likes you. You’re just the type of deep analytical thinker he’s for.


37 posted on 12/05/2012 12:06:27 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

There is no circular firing squad in terms of Mitt Romney, he was plainly a disastrous candidate, of epic proportions.

Not only did the GOP and the nation lose the presidency and return Carter II, the GOP will have years of work to do to repair the damage that Mitt’s gaffe ridden and anti-conservative campaign caused, the question is, can conservatives recover from Romney, or has he permanently moved the party left and branded it with his ‘awkward loser’ image as incompetent and irrelevant.


38 posted on 12/05/2012 12:08:25 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: ksen

>> “Anyone who talks about “legitimate rape” is an idiot.” <<

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Anyone that pretends that they didn’t understand exactly what he ment by that is a lying jerk. Akin’s statements are correct, although politically incorrect.

I’ll take Akin over your politically correct tyranny any day.


39 posted on 12/05/2012 12:09:16 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines; katiedidit1

>> “Truth is the NATION itself has moved significantly to the Left” <<

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Bull$hit!

The truth is that Romney got the votes to win, but was not willing to protect those votes. Fraud wins when the honest are powerless to uphold the law.


40 posted on 12/05/2012 12:14:34 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
Anyone that pretends that they didn’t understand exactly what he ment by that is a lying jerk.

So .. most of the women who were offended, probably about a quarter of the US population are just lying jerks.

Way to win an election. Get your electorate steamed at you.

Look, buddy, talking up rape in technical terms that most people can't comprehend is a sure-fire LOSING tactic. Akin should have known that most people haven't read the dozens of technical PhD-level papers that deal with minute levels of this or that hormone that you have.

Running on that platform will lose every time because the Average Person looks at "rape" and says, "That is a horrible thing and must be punished" and that is the top number one visceral reaction to it.

ANYONE who tries to put a "legitimate" spin on RAPE deserves to be slaughtered by the electorate.

Anyone who tries to defend people who talk about "legitimate rape" deserves to be fried as well.

41 posted on 12/05/2012 12:19:48 PM PST by superloser
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To: katiedidit1

Rove is struggling for relevance when he doesn’t have any.


42 posted on 12/05/2012 12:22:15 PM PST by pallis
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To: editor-surveyor
Numerous learned papers assert the same things Akin said, and supply proof, beyond the anecdotal proof that also supports Akin.

"learned papers"

lol

43 posted on 12/05/2012 12:28:36 PM PST by ksen
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To: superloser

People are still defending Aikin after the moron lost the election specifically cause of his idiotic comment?

Anyone that does is beyond help.


44 posted on 12/05/2012 12:28:47 PM PST by Monty22002
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To: katiedidit1

Better late than never I suppose.


45 posted on 12/05/2012 12:54:47 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Not so "commanding", not so "inevitable".)
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To: superloser

>> “ANYONE who tries to put a “legitimate” spin on RAPE...” <<

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Nobody did, thanks for signing in as another lying jerk.


46 posted on 12/05/2012 12:57:17 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: ksen

That doesn’t have much meaning back in your gulch, huh?


47 posted on 12/05/2012 12:59:08 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Monty22002

Akin lost for two reasons:

1. The GOPe worked against him.

2. Union and DNC fraud just like hit Romney.

His comment was factual, whether you like it or not.


48 posted on 12/05/2012 1:02:18 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: katiedidit1

“Are we rattling the establishment’s cage?”

Yeah. The problem remains that we are the ones inside the cage.


49 posted on 12/05/2012 1:07:25 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Not so "commanding", not so "inevitable".)
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To: Monty22002
People are still defending Aikin after the moron lost the election specifically cause of his idiotic comment?

Not only that but they are running around accusing anyone who didn't take his idiotic comment "as was intended" a lying idiot.

I'm afraid that level of stupid cannot be corrected.

50 posted on 12/05/2012 1:08:40 PM PST by superloser
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