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A Suggestion as to Voter ID (Vanity)
05Dec2012 | NJ_Tom

Posted on 12/05/2012 11:37:12 AM PST by NJ_Tom

As we all know, the left has continuously litigated against voter photo ID laws, often successfully, on the grounds that the poor, disadvantaged Democrat voter is unlikely to possess such a rare document. It came to me that a solution to the need for election security, while "pulling the teeth" of this argument might be found if we reversed the whole process.

What if the voter were given 2 choices at the poll: 1) they could present a state-issued photo ID before voting, or 2) they would be photographed before voting and a photo ID would be generated and mailed to their address of record. In either case, there would be no restraint on their right to cast a ballot.

The catch, of course, would be that those committing election fraud would create a photographic record of their fraud that could be used to identify and prosecute them.

It seems to me that it would be hard to argue against a law that would only negatively those actively committing election fraud. It would certainly be interesting to hear the rationale behind the left's inevitable objections!

TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: chat; elections; fraud; vanity; voterid
Just sayin'.
1 posted on 12/05/2012 11:37:15 AM PST by NJ_Tom
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To: NJ_Tom

The GOP won’t help you. They fear being called a racist.

Actually, they fear EVERYTHING.

2 posted on 12/05/2012 11:44:58 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: NJ_Tom

I like it. I’m sure that since it will negatively affect voter fraud, the libs with find some way of shooting it down. But, it is a novel and hard to argue with idea.

3 posted on 12/05/2012 11:45:50 AM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: NJ_Tom

4 posted on 12/05/2012 11:46:32 AM PST by Fred (
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To: NJ_Tom
Your idea has merit. Just the idea that they would be photographed might help dissuade some voting fraudulently. It completely removes the argument that it is too difficult to get an ID.

I fear that this last round was plagued with mail-in ballot fraud, more than those showing up on election day. I am not sure how that can be mitigated.

5 posted on 12/05/2012 11:48:20 AM PST by NEMDF
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To: NJ_Tom

I like it. I think your idea should be taken very series, but it probably won’t, especially in NJ.

6 posted on 12/05/2012 11:49:50 AM PST by jjr153 (Never Forget 9/11)
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To: NJ_Tom
Editorial correction - just noticed I left out the word "impact" after "only negatively".
7 posted on 12/05/2012 11:51:53 AM PST by NJ_Tom (I don't worship the State; I don't worship the Environment - I only worship God.)
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To: Fred

How is he being blackmailed?

I know he is a decades old drunk, but any specifics?

8 posted on 12/05/2012 12:13:46 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: NJ_Tom

The left don’t need a good reason to shoot something down. They’ll just scream, “It’s racist!!” and that will be the end of it.

9 posted on 12/05/2012 12:18:19 PM PST by Nea Wood (When life gets too hard to stand, kneel.)
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To: Nea Wood
They’ll just scream, “It’s racist!!” and that will be the end of it.

I don't see that happening. OK, I do, but in order to shoot this down, they'd have to litigate it, and they'd have to have some evidence that it was racist. That would be what, exact? That it's racist against vampires because they don't show up in photographs? I thought they did and it was only mirrors they didn't show up in... maybe if you're using an SLR...

Whatever the case, I think this is a great idea.

10 posted on 12/05/2012 12:23:11 PM PST by Mr. Know It All
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Here is a notice to John Boehner, since my Twitter account was suspended by Liberals who “group report” any Conservative logic and get your account suspended.

John, save the tears, 9-irons, cigarettes and spray-on tans for one moment and listen to me.

The Mainstream Media (100% of the media - except the Washington Times, Boston Herald, Washington Examiner, Talk Radio and Fox News) hates your guts, yes, I said it, hates your guts. The Soledad O'Brien/Brian Williams/Bob Schieffer crowd may see you across the room at a Georgetown cocktail party, at a horse event in Middleburg or at a Kennedy Center awards event, but at the end of the day, are millionaire Statists who would rather see you back home selling insurance vs. heading the opposition party to their grand Pravda schemes of insulating the Marxist Democratic Party's interests. Stop trying to make them like you, in the end, they have Soros, the huge Foundations (Kellogg, Ford, Rockefeller) who will spend millions to defeat you in your home district, much less LIKE or RESPECT you. They want you to be dead (figuratively) in the political sense. It's like a snake and rabbit both taking a drink, the snake is 100% looking for food, despite his smalltalk to the rabbit about the weather...its just to keep the bunny from hopping off and the ability to eat him.

You are a Washington insider, someone who left Ohio many moons ago to pursue a dream of political leadership that you currently enjoy. Congratulations on 2010 but it's now 2012 and we have serious issues to attend to.

1. As Rush said, stop using the word “Revenue” it shows capitutulation to the Left Wing language. Say “raising taxes” not raising revenue. Make every Obama voter, mainly the educated ones, understand that THEIR taxes are going up, not just the Rich Guy's.

2. EXPLAIN how $80 billion in 10 years is a drop in the bucket vs. a $1.6T budget and a $16.3T deficit...BUT how devastating it would be to job creators, in the short term. Can you just merely state, in plain English, that John Smith's ideas are far more tried and true than Keynes? Obama wants to punish those who create wealth (and donate to his campaigns) for his ideological redistributionist plans. Step up and explain that this does nothing but KILL JOBS, not CREATE them. Be articulate and explain that wealth is not permanent and growth needs to happen to keep the tax revenues coming in. One layoff has HUG opportunity costs and Government work creates no wealth. Make OUR case.

3. Back to Point #1. It doesn't matter, the GOP will be blamed for everything negative, even back 5 years to GWB. The Media is tanked for Obama and the Left Wing Dems. There is no making nice with these people in the media. If somehow we have a massive recovery (highly unlikely) 100% of the credit will go to the Democrats, even if your ideas work, they will get credit. If they fail, you will be blamed and Obama, Reid and Pelosi will be blameless.

4) Stop purging Tea Partiers from the Committees

John, I don't know you, but you seem like a good man, but I realize as an insider, you want to get along and make things happen, and be liked. Politicians flourish because people like the results of their efforts, and get pushed out if they are unpopular.

Stand up for Conservative Principles, stop being another Bush 41 softie and tell the Marxists “NO”. You will lose in the media either way, so fight on and TELL OUR STORY.



11 posted on 12/05/2012 12:35:54 PM PST by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: wac3rd

I wish you were Speaker.

12 posted on 12/05/2012 12:49:56 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: NJ_Tom

Please think through any voting solution down to the precinct level, in a neighborhood where you are correctly afraid to go in the daytime. Imagine yourself arriving in that hood at 5 am, the only conservative in 5 square miles, and imagine yourself working for at least the next 14 hours, longer if there is a line waiting at closing.

You cannot take a break, otherwise the cheaters will just wait until you are gone. You cannot expect to find your car intact when you are done. Then all day, other precinct workers will be sighing and moaning about how much faster things can do if only the cracker would look the other way. I should not even have to describe the less subtle pressures they will send your way.

Finally, imagine yourself walking alone through a gauntlet of very unhappy people, to whatever is left of your car. If you get out alive you have just prevented voter fraud in one precinct. Not to worry, there are thousands of similar precinct across the country just like the one you protected. What did not happen in your precinct, happened in spades everywhere else.

13 posted on 12/05/2012 1:03:43 PM PST by AdSimp
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To: Mr. Know It All

They claim that requiring ID is racist. Let’s face it, everything and anything the left doesn’t like is “racist” these days.

But yes, it’s a great idea and I’d be happy if it was implemented!

14 posted on 12/05/2012 1:11:09 PM PST by Nea Wood (When life gets too hard to stand, kneel.)
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To: NJ_Tom
Brilliant idea, but they won't agree to it. It would be a great way to provide a photo ID to those who claim they do not have one. But, they don't want to give up the ability to vote several times.

Also, the mail-ins need to be watched. It will be worse in the future elections as the Dums will be taking more advantage of the ways to cheat.

Until this voting system is cleaned up, modernized, and made more efficient, we are, indeed, doomed. This should be easy to do, but the libs do not want it for obvious reasons. What Republicans have the courage to really, really confront this problem?

15 posted on 12/05/2012 1:40:23 PM PST by Swede Girl
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To: Nea Wood
They claim that requiring ID is racist.

It takes some will power, I admit, to read past the initial ridiculous claim of "racism", but you need to read past the first sentence of the complaint. The reason they claim it is racist is that statistically, poor minorities are less likely to have or even be able to obtain the proper ID. In this last election season, they marched into courtrooms armed with charts and graphs and 8x10 glossies supporting this clain and won the day.

If you provide acceptable ID right there at the polling place that objection goes away completely.

I think the main issue would be cost.

16 posted on 12/05/2012 2:54:29 PM PST by Mr. Know It All
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To: All

If we don't get the voting system cleaned up, it will only get worse. We may never have another Republican president.

Can't you just imagine this was the scene with Obama and his Commie staff after stealing the election through voter fraud- while Conservatives blame Romney, argue, point fingers, blather on about who to run in four years, 'starting a new party', and try to figure out how to suck up to minorities the 'next time'?

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Map from Barack Obama Voter Fraud 2012

What most refuse to acknowledge is that it was unlikely that ANYBODY could have beaten the voter fraud planned and perpetrated by the Obama machine. They seem to prefer pointing fingers, blaming Romney and blathering on about who to run in 2016 and how to suck up to the minorities.

>Polls indicated that Romney was going to win the election.

>The economy is close to Great Depression era conditions, and unemployment is almost as high as when Obama entered office.

>Economic conditions became so dire after Obama took office it prompted the rise of an entire new movement, the Tea Party.

>Presidents rarely win reelection when the economy is in the tank.

>Mitt knew it too, when he was met by several thousand in that parking garage cheering him when he arrived unannounced at that airport, and he put his hand over his heart and said, 'This is how you know you've won'.

So how did Romney lose a race that numerous reputable polls and pundits predicted would be an easy win, based on historical patterns?

Massive voter fraud.

That and no other reason

Almost every major Conservative website has put out an article charging voter fraud- Breitbart, American Thinker, Atlas Shrugs, WND, The Blaze, Front Page Magazine, Fox News, The Daily Caller, Town Hall, Human Events..

We can not wait for 2014 and 2016 to regroup and figure out new strategies. By then it will be too late. The Marxist/Muslim usurper will have completed his planned distruction of America. That's what people fail to understand.

We must act NOW.

Start with the election. If we let the Rats get away with this massive voter fraud, we're no better than a bananna republic.

We must keep digging and pounding him every day, in every way we can- phony birth certificate, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, his hidden life, records....


Col Allen West; "I don't want to see America become like Zimbabwe where people don’t trust their electoral process. If we cannot trust the integrity of the voting system then we are no longer a free republic".

Col West has opened the door.

We must fight election fraud.

It falls on ‘We the People’.

Silence is consent

These elections are NOT certified yet. The only way to get this investigated, much less recounted or overturned, is through the Secretary of State of each of the five key states: Florida, Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. EVEN IF YOU ARE IN ANOTHER STATE you can help. But it won’t do any good to dilute our effort to challenge California or Michigan or other states. Until a major group gets involved to do more, here is the plan: Contact the Secretary of State of the state in question. See contact information below...

Read the rest- Here




The website,'Barack Obama Vote Fraud 2012' is keeping a running account of cases of voter fraud and what to do about it:

(Astonishing!) > Visit the site- Here
Obama Voter Fraud on FaceBook- Here

Sign this petition- over 99,000 and counting -cards, email- Here

Sign the ‘We The People’ petition. It has 60,000 signatures and counting- Here

WND List of voter fraud reports Here
ATLAS SHRUGS voter fraud list. Here

Click here and sign the petition for a recount Here-

< Hannity and Col Allan West slam voter fraud Nov 12- Here

Photo of SOMALIANS brought to Ohio voting stations by the busload, 95% of whom did not speak English, and told to vote for Obama, straight Dem ticket- Here

'Human Events', report pollwatcher eyewitness to busload of Somalians at Ohio poll, spoke no English, told to vote Obama Here


Must watch videos!

VIDEO-- Programmer Testifies About Rigging Elections With Vote Counting- Here

VIDEO- Illegal Aliens Caught Voting and Stealing Elections In Florida In Vast Numbers- Here

VIDEO- MICHAEL SAVAGE: How Obama fixed the 2012 election- Here

VIDEO- Massive voter fraud discovered in April- Here

VIDEO- Whistle blower speaks out about voter fraud- Here


Voter fraud from Tea Party: Here

The American Dream- 22 Signs That Voter Fraud Is Wildly Out Of Control And The Election Was A Sham: Here

Town Hall : Obama Likely Won The Election Through Voter Fraud: Here

American Thinker: Was The Election Stolen:? Here

WSVN-TV Almost 1K Ballots Found In Broward Elections Warehouse: Here

Pundit Press; In Florida Obama Got Over 99% In Broward County Precincts: Here

Natural 19,605 to Zero IS Statistical Proof Of Outright Vote Fraud in 2012 Presidential Election: Here

Realville, USA: The Great Election Robbery of 2012? Here

WND: Here's How Touchscreens Killed Romney Votes: Here

The American Dream: Election Fraud? Obama Won More Than 99% Of The Vote in More Than 100 Ohio Precincrs: Here

WND: The Big List Of Voter Fraud Reports: Here

Nachum's List of Voter Fraud: Here


Newt Gingrich 360: Here

Appalachian Forums: Here

Before It's News: Here

WND: Here

Political Outcast: Here

True The Vote: Here

Fox News Insider: Here

Human Events; Here

The Will County News: Here

Fox News: Here

WND: Here

Townhall: Here

Breitbart Here

Accuracy In Media The Left's national voter fraud strategy exposed: Here

Thousands of military votes uncounted or missing: Here

Human Events: Here

Front Page Magazine: Here

The Blaze Here

The Daily Caller: Here

Front Page Magazine Here

Military Voter Protection Project: Here

BreitBart Here

Townhall: Here

Fox News Here

The Blaze Here


The best Obama Exposure site on the net, The Obama File: Here

The United StatesLibrary of Congress has selected for inclusion in its historic collection of Internet materials Here

17 posted on 12/05/2012 3:27:00 PM PST by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN)
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