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Californians buying guns at record rate
ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER ^ | 12/5/2012 | CLAUDIA KOERNER

Posted on 12/05/2012 2:04:15 PM PST by dragnet2

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To: NFHale
”What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance?”

~Thomas Jefferson

51 posted on 12/05/2012 4:24:20 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: NFHale

BTW, it’s another reason why my visits here have been substantially reduced.

Take care.


52 posted on 12/05/2012 4:25:17 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: trisham

Great, I see the ‘fine Americans’ in CA have done a bang up job. Deeds speak louder than words.


53 posted on 12/05/2012 4:25:53 PM PST by 556x45
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To: 556x45

You obviously want California products like food and, oh yah,
Free Republic.


54 posted on 12/05/2012 4:26:53 PM PST by Sivad (Nor Cal Red Turf)
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To: dragnet2
The article is about people in CA buy arms in record numbers, yet most of the comments are bad mouthing them.

Ya can't win with some of these people due to the fact they have their own agenda of bad mouthing CA, regardless of the article, the topic or whatever.

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Exactly right. Let us not forget that one of our most illustrious and beloved presidents, Ronald Reagan, was a Californian.

55 posted on 12/05/2012 4:27:28 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: dragnet2

“...bad mouthing CA,...”

Well, I won’t.

They’re MY people too. OUR people. They have a basic human, civil, and Constitutional right to defend their lives, same as all of us, and it’s being f***ed over and eroded, same as it is for every single gunny in this country.

And whatever I can do to help, I should, and I will.

If this election taught us anything, it should be that we ALL have a target on our back. So if we’re all to be targets, we all must be soldiers.

One Team, One Fight friend.


56 posted on 12/05/2012 4:29:00 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: 556x45
Great, I see the ‘fine Americans’ in CA have done a bang up job. Deeds speak louder than words.

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And you speak loudly, but without wisdom or strength of character..

57 posted on 12/05/2012 4:31:04 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: dragnet2

“...BTW, it’s another reason why my visits here have been substantially reduced....”

Your voice is important, your opinions important, and your patriotism even more so, now more than ever.

We win when we stick together; they win when we don’t.


58 posted on 12/05/2012 4:31:15 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: 556x45; trisham

“...Deeds speak louder than words....”

There’s only so much you can do when you’re outnumbered by lunatic moonbats that control things at the local, city, county, and state level.

Again - they move into an area like locusts and destroy what they touch. But there’s still good folks there that we should help, however we can.

Free Republic puts us all in touch. We should endeavor to take back what is currently lost, and not see all as a lost cause.

How? I don’t know...let’s start working it out, though.


59 posted on 12/05/2012 4:37:13 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: trisham

Jefferson was an amazing man, in a time populated by amazing men.


60 posted on 12/05/2012 4:41:04 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale
There’s only so much you can do when you’re outnumbered by lunatic moonbats that control things at the local, city, county, and state level.

Again - they move into an area like locusts and destroy what they touch. But there’s still good folks there that we should help, however we can.

Free Republic puts us all in touch. We should endeavor to take back what is currently lost, and not see all as a lost cause.

How? I don’t know...let’s start working it out, though.

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Agreed. Many Californians have been there for generations. Many are former military, who were stationed there and chose to remain after they retired. Some have found work there, from other states whose economies have faltered. Why reject them? It makes no sense at all.

61 posted on 12/05/2012 4:43:47 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

Oh brother. This very attitude is why nothing will change positively in CA. Its everyone else’s fault. Hmm, sounds like liberal logic. Have fun in the cesspool you all created. The fault is yours alone. I feel absolutely no kinship w/ gun owners in CA. You capitulated and did nothing. Now you want to associate with those of us who worked hard and won. In fact you’re a pack of losers.


62 posted on 12/05/2012 4:44:34 PM PST by 556x45
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To: NFHale

Indeed. This country was blessed by God with its Founding Fathers.


63 posted on 12/05/2012 4:45:33 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: 556x45
Oh brother. This very attitude is why nothing will change positively in CA. Its everyone else’s fault. Hmm, sounds like liberal logic. Have fun in the cesspool you all created. The fault is yours alone. I feel absolutely no kinship w/ gun owners in CA. You capitulated and did nothing. Now you want to associate with those of us who worked hard and won. In fact you’re a pack of losers.

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It's clear from your convincing argument that you are a leader of men. I can well understand why you speak with such authority.

64 posted on 12/05/2012 4:48:39 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: dragnet2

“Charlie Blek, president of the Orange County chapter of advocacy group the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence “The National Rifle Association has done a wonderful of demonizing President Obama,” he said”

Urkel has done a great job demonizing Urkel.


65 posted on 12/05/2012 4:57:35 PM PST by Cyman
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To: sergeantdave
It seems like most of the members of the LAPD live in Simi Valley, including a few acquaintances of ours.

I can't imagine why they wouldn't want to live in the wonderful City of Los Angeles. /s

66 posted on 12/05/2012 4:57:59 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (As they say in China, erections have consequences...)
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To: 556x45; trisham

“...Now you want to associate with those of us who worked hard and won. ...”

How did we win anything, when you or I can’t carry what we want, where we want, from one coast to the other, unmolested by so-called law enforcement?

Nothing is won yet. The fight isn’t even BEGUN, brother. Wait till Dickhead in DC starts with his UN crap and trying to have all Semis reclassified as NFA34 weapons.

Like I said, in PA, here we have a GOP controlled House, Senate, and Governor, yet through obvious fraud and other questionable voting (a Dem Judge throwing out Voter ID - PASSED by 70% of the state) we now have a Anti-gun freak Dem elected AG, Treasurer, and Auditor General.

Kinship with ALL gunnies, everywhere, is essential if we’re going to prevail.

If it comes to fighting holes, the guy squatting in one in CA is as much my brother, and in as much deep sh*t, as we are anywhere else in the country. And he’s an American, facing those that aren’t.

Same team, friend. Same enemy. They hate you and me as surely as anyone in CA who believes in his/her right to keep and bear arms.


67 posted on 12/05/2012 4:58:18 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: trisham

It never fails to impress me how they were all there, at that specific moment in time - the Adamses, Jefferson, Madison, Hancock, Washington, Franklin - to create this.

They weren’t afraid to go to the mat, and they did. They signed their own arrest warrant basically when they signed the Declaration of Independence.

Giants, all of them. For what they believed in, what they loved...


68 posted on 12/05/2012 5:01:34 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: dragnet2

“Charlie Blek, president of the Orange County chapter of advocacy group the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence “The National Rifle Association has done a wonderful of demonizing President Obama,” he said”

Urkel has done a great job demonizing Urkel.


69 posted on 12/05/2012 5:07:03 PM PST by Cyman
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To: NFHale

They were brilliant, principled men. The more that I read their words and learn of their actions, the more that I respect and admire them. Where are those men who have succeeded them in our country today? Our Founding Fathers would be grieved to see where we now stand.


70 posted on 12/05/2012 5:11:48 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Kickass Conservative

“I can’t imagine why they wouldn’t want to live in the wonderful City of Los Angeles. /s “

LOL!

That’s the beauty of leftist law enforcement. Given the choice of dying on a hilltop for the glory of obuma fascism or heading home to watch COPS and drink a beer, they will go home to watch TV. Every time.


71 posted on 12/05/2012 5:14:20 PM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: SparkyBass

The Gun Makers are required to provide the State with examples of the Firearms they want to sell along with design specs and anything else they are asked for.

The Guns are tested to see if they operate safely, drop tested, safety mechanism, etc.

I talked to a Rep at Hi Point, a Gun Manufacturer that sells low priced handguns. They sell two models in CA, a .380 and a 9 MM.

I asked her if they were going to get their higher Caliber Handguns approved for sale and she told me that after what the State of CA put them through already, it isn’t worth the bother.

As a side note, Hi Point gets a bad rap. They are not as polished as a Glock and are a bit heavy for their size, but my 9 MM has never stove piped or had any other issues. I was looking forward to getting their 40 & 45 Models, but no dice living in the Western Province of the old Soviet Union.

The “Approved Handgun List” is just another form of Gun Control. Make it difficult for the Gun Manufacturer’s to do business and the supply of Handguns dries up.


72 posted on 12/05/2012 5:18:12 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (As they say in China, erections have consequences...)
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To: NFHale; Yehuda
Again - they move into an area like locusts and destroy what they touch.

The enemy operates in full audacity mode 24/7/365, *knowing* that peaceful, civilized people prefer to be kind and gracious to others and simply wish to live productively and in peace.

The true heirs to the land of liberty are those who are naturally law-abiding and thus don't "need a law" to behave appropriately and responsibly. The locusts, however, only know the way of aggression and destruction through mass numbers in order to ravage and desolate and strip the harvest by force.

Remember what Amalek did.

73 posted on 12/05/2012 5:20:54 PM PST by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: 556x45

ALL women think the same. ALL blacks think the same. ALL His-
panics think the same. ALL Californians think the same.

That is the liberal mantra. Why do you choose to buy into that?
We do what we can to try to stem the tide. If your state house
was dominated by Democrats you might understand. There
are millions more conservatives in California than there are in
your state. Unfortunately we are outnumbered.


74 posted on 12/05/2012 5:22:16 PM PST by Sivad (Nor Cal Red Turf)
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To: smokingfrog

Do you think that’s slowing down the illegals much in their acquisition of firearms?


75 posted on 12/05/2012 5:23:10 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: trisham

“..Where are those men who have succeeded them in our country today?...”

Where?

Out among the folks who get up every day, drive their ten year-old cars with squeaky brakes, go to work at dead-end jobs, watch their paychecks shrink, their taxes grow, their homes lose value, their culture and heritage get ridiculed, their faith get slowly erased, their families and values assaulted by parasites that have taken over the country - the country that their ancestors built, fought for, and died for.

And they’re tired of it. They’re pissed off. They’re thoroughly disgusted and they’ve had enough of it.

They’re still here. They’ve been taught all their lives to live and work within the system, even when they system has been so thoroughly corrupted, almost beyond the point of repair, they still have faith in it.

But when those same people have finally had enough and reach a tipping point, you will see a push back across the country that makes the dirtbags currently manipulating the marionette strings of our sock puppets in power lose their water.

They’re still there. Don’t worry.


76 posted on 12/05/2012 5:28:30 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Ezekiel; Yehuda

“...The locusts, however, only know the way of aggression and destruction through mass numbers in order to ravage and desolate and strip the harvest by force...”

And every once in a while, peaceful, civilized people will use insect spray to stop the locusts. History has shown that this eventually happens, when good, decent folks have had enough.


77 posted on 12/05/2012 5:31:41 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: dragnet2
Those statistics don't include weapons purchased by Californians in other states. If the parking lot at the Phoenix gun show last week was any indication I'd say the number was quite large - either that or about 160% of the exhibitors were driving cars with CA plates.

It's easy enough if you have a vacation home in NV or AZ, just have the spouse drop you at the MDV (aka DMV) with your passport, obtain a state ID card ($3 here if memory serves) and head to the gun show.

One of the best things about living in AZ is that I no longer have to go out and dig something up to go shooting. :o)

78 posted on 12/05/2012 5:32:17 PM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Remember: Because 2 terms with Jerry Brown as Governor is all I could take.)
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“...One of the best things about living in AZ is that I no longer have to go out and dig something up to go shooting. ...”

Point is, you had a place to get away to. What do you do when there IS no other place to go to?

That is what we must stop. They’re working from the coast inward. New York, New Jersey, the Northeast on the East Coast, and Cali on the West Coast.

Ultimately, they’ll do to every state what they’ve accomplished in these others if we let them.

This is THE war for our rights, and we need to remember that, and fight like it.


79 posted on 12/05/2012 5:37:57 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: 556x45

” Have fun in the cesspool you all created.”

By your logic you’re responsible for Obama and the cesspool in Washington. You capitulated and did nothing.


80 posted on 12/05/2012 5:54:24 PM PST by running_dog_lackey
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To: FreedomPoster
Do you think that’s slowing down the illegals much in their acquisition of firearms?

No. Just don't want my FRiends to get in trouble with the law.

I wonder. Could you also get in trouble if you made arrangements to meet someone in Nevada to make a private sale?

81 posted on 12/05/2012 6:09:50 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: NFHale
Point is, you had a place to get away to. What do you do when there IS no other place to go to?

I agree fully. I held out in CA for as long as I could but as the tag line says...

I used to volunteer in the campaigns, I wrote letters to the editors, argued futilely with liberal friends, contributed hundreds over the years to a Republican Party that I watched turn from the Party of Reagan to the party of Meg Whitman, etc., etc. Finally I just got fed up and left - taking my tax dollars with me and leaving my druggie nephews to grow their 8 plants, cash their never ending unemployment checks and collect their housing subsidies while waiting for the EBT card to get recharged every month. The idiots who elected the politicians who gave them the benefits can support them now.

The only good thing about the recent redistricting in AZ is that politics here is no longer competitive. (We had an independent commission. This should give the folks in CA a good laugh.) I'm still free to make my meager political contributions to conservative candidates in other states and I would recommend others in red states or blue do the same. That and keep the faith, resist the encroaching tyranny and as always, be prepared for the worse.

82 posted on 12/05/2012 6:11:17 PM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Because 2 terms with Jerry Brown as Governor is all I could take.)
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To: smokingfrog

So I lost all my guns in a boating mishap


83 posted on 12/05/2012 6:18:12 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: trisham

Im one


84 posted on 12/05/2012 6:23:14 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: 556x45

FU you noobie


85 posted on 12/05/2012 6:24:15 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: Travis McGee

Or half as many types.


86 posted on 12/05/2012 7:06:16 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: Kickass Conservative

KC, thanks for the info. Explains why some will choose to foregoe the entire state, which can and probably will get worse.


87 posted on 12/05/2012 7:25:50 PM PST by SparkyBass
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

88 posted on 12/05/2012 8:00:00 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: SparkyBass

ALL handguns on the DOJ roster are expiring, and the AG is not letting them be renewed. The last gun on the list will expire on 12-31-13. Of 1,310 guns on the list, half will have expired on 7-1-13. Check out the CA doj website and checkout the legal for sale roster. In effect, new handguns will not be eligible for purchase after next year.


89 posted on 12/06/2012 1:41:50 AM PST by Dogpatch06
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SAY WHAaaaaaa!?

You mean to say that after sometime in 2013, NO handguns will be for sale in CA!? Link?
90 posted on 12/06/2012 2:27:25 AM PST by CaptSkip
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To: Dogpatch06

Wow, thanks.
Left CA 7.5 years ago... no looking back, well, only to visit my dad.


91 posted on 12/06/2012 7:01:04 AM PST by SparkyBass
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To: al baby

A perfect example. :) Our FReepers in California are also generous and loyal donors to this site.


92 posted on 12/06/2012 7:11:35 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: NFHale

I agree with your statements of support for others.
Anyone anywhere who believes in freedom and is struggling to maintain freedom, human, and property rights has my support. I am on their team. Of course, I live in a state not much different than California, governmentally.
I am not “where I live”—I am “what I believe”.


93 posted on 12/06/2012 7:38:14 AM PST by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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To: 556x45; trisham
This very attitude is why nothing will change positively in CA. Its everyone else’s fault. Hmm, sounds like liberal logic.

So tell me slick, are you taking the blame for having a Communist block Captain out of Chicago as President?

Is it everyone else fault?

Or just do you just uncontrollably burp up inconsistent comments as a matter of routine?

94 posted on 12/06/2012 8:27:32 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: NFHale

Well said. “We must all hang together, or we shall surely ...” (you know how to complete the sentence)


95 posted on 12/06/2012 8:39:28 AM PST by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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To: iacovatx

“...I am not “where I live”— I am “what I believe”...”

Well said and spot on the money.

Thank you, friend.


96 posted on 12/06/2012 8:46:11 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

A most unusual looking revolver, the Rhino...nasty and intimidating. I like it.

I like “The Judge” from Taurus too..


97 posted on 12/06/2012 8:49:05 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: 556x45

You’re right..there are a lot of ignorant liberals in CA, but before you refer to the state as a cesspool, please realize that there were 5M who voted (R) vs 1.5M in Tennessee. While CA has its problems, there are huge numbers of conservatives that will fix them. Don’t forget ammo Californians. If it’s somehow ever legislated out, an empty gun does nothing.


98 posted on 12/06/2012 9:09:20 AM PST by sanjuanbob
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To: iacovatx; trisham

“...We must all hang together...”

You have to wonder why it’s so difficult for some people to understand that most simple, basic principle.

The other side has NO problem understanding it.

You also wonder what the Founders went through with people of their own time - there were of course the Loyalists, who saw the Crown as the legitimate governmental authority;

then of course, they had their “moderates” too, I would imagine - those who tried to play both sides of the fence, watching which flag should be hung out at the end of each day (worthless scumbags)...

And they had the hardcore Rebels who wanted Direct Action (Sam Adams comes to mind), as well as those advising patience and caution...

What of the folks who tried to stay out of it? How did they deal with them? Ultimately, balancing on a fence gets you pushed to one side or the other; you can’t sit there forever.

I imagine their time was not much different than ours, human-nature wise.

And yet they still managed to create a country...


99 posted on 12/06/2012 9:11:40 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: sanjuanbob

Whats the voting population of CA compared w/ those who voted republican? Is that > the same ratio of TN voters? I suspect not but couldnt say for sure.

CA not only has its problems but exports them as well.

Your last comments are baffling. To me it sounds like youll just roll over.


100 posted on 12/06/2012 9:17:02 AM PST by 556x45
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