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Syria loads chemical weapons into bombs; military awaits Assad's order
nbcnews.com ^ | December 5, 2012 | Jim Miklaszewski and M. Alex Johnson

Posted on 12/05/2012 4:03:49 PM PST by John W

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1 posted on 12/05/2012 4:03:58 PM PST by John W
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To: John W

How’s that “SCarab Spring “ going for ya ‘bama baby? BTW what’s happening in Benghaziville, or the land of Ramses? Trans-Jordan next?


2 posted on 12/05/2012 4:06:31 PM PST by Karliner ( Jeremiah 29:11, Romans 8:28, Romans 8:38"...this is the end of the beginning."WC)
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To: John W

That has several meanings in this situation, for all sides.

3 posted on 12/05/2012 4:08:09 PM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: John W

Is this from the same administration that lied repeatedly to the American people about what happened in Benghazi and has yet to come clean?


4 posted on 12/05/2012 4:08:37 PM PST by petitfour
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To: John W

looks like an opening for Obama to install the muslim brotherhood in yet another country.


5 posted on 12/05/2012 4:10:37 PM PST by plain talk
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To: John W

I hope the Idiot in the White House has enough sense to keep our troops out of harm’s way. If he doesn’t, he needs to be impeached.


6 posted on 12/05/2012 4:13:12 PM PST by patriotsblood
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To: John W

False flag operation.


7 posted on 12/05/2012 4:14:59 PM PST by reagandemocrat
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To: plain talk
looks like an opening for Obama to install the muslim brotherhood in yet another country.

As he parties in Hawaii leaving the rest of America....
8 posted on 12/05/2012 4:15:41 PM PST by freebird5850 (The only good thing about Barry getting re-elected is now we get to see him fall from a higher place)
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To: John W

Direct from NBC News, mouthpiece of the Obama Regime.


9 posted on 12/05/2012 4:16:02 PM PST by Third Person (I'm in my prime.)
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To: patriotsblood

I agree. Let them exterminate themselves.


10 posted on 12/05/2012 4:17:14 PM PST by Wiggins
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To: John W
Wait!

I thought it was the evil Buuuush who said that we needed to intervene in Iraq because Sadam had chemical weapons. Our best intelligence said he had them. Not only that, but he'd already used them on his own people. But that was bad and wrong.

And now the saintly good and true 0sama administration is saying that we'll intervene in Syria's civil war if Assad uses chemical weapons. Our best intelligence says that he has them. But this is different and oh so very very good.

I just want to make sure I have all this down. Because I would never ever accuse our commie-elite-political-media-class of being lying hypocrites with selective and self-serving memories and motives.

11 posted on 12/05/2012 4:18:04 PM PST by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: John W
I hope Assad and the boys predict the weather correctly.

Many bad things could happen, if the weapons are not deployed accurately.

Would be real bad if something goes "wrong," and Israeli civilians and troops are killed. Not to mention Christians in Iraq and Lebanon.

The U.S. getting ready to be involved, the Turks are spooked, Ivan, and the Persians are going to be pissed. Not to mention Hamas and Hezbollah wanting their virgins.

Call me crazy, but this is the stuff of Biblical prophecy.

5.56mm

12 posted on 12/05/2012 4:20:42 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: M Kehoe

Hawaii would be a safe place to hide out during this time


13 posted on 12/05/2012 4:22:33 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: M Kehoe

Possibly. But what it isn’t is worthy of staying in FR Breaking News.


14 posted on 12/05/2012 4:23:00 PM PST by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: John W

Must be faulty intel! There is no WMD!


15 posted on 12/05/2012 4:23:00 PM PST by grayhog (Ay with.)
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To: John W

Liberal fail ping.


16 posted on 12/05/2012 4:23:43 PM PST by alrea
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To: M Kehoe
Ivan, and the Persians

Great name for a heavy metal band. Copyright M Kehoe.

5.56mm

17 posted on 12/05/2012 4:23:52 PM PST by M Kehoe
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But what it isn’t is worthy of staying in FR Breaking News.

Odd. I guess when one VX 155mm lands on a Turkish border town, or a kibbutz, it will be in "Breaking News" forever.

5.56mm

18 posted on 12/05/2012 4:27:49 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: John W

Bullcrap. I saw a story yesterday that special self propelled artillery “designed for shooting gas shells” was sneaking out at night and deploying. Self propelled 155, is self propelled 155.
And the story said the windy conditions made it more likely that he would use it. in using gas, wind is not normally your friend, especially in a middle eastern desert environment.

And the “US Official” is another Obama lackey who is trying to stir us up to get involved there. Even if they do gas watch other, why does that mean it’s an American problem?

And suddenly, our inept intelligence agencies that couldn’t predict anything in the last 3 decades, including the fall of the USSR, that Kadaffy had a nuclear program, 9/11, Benghazi, the vile outcome of the Arab Spring, etc,,,they are CERTAIN that Syria is loading the precursor chemicals? I call BS.

This is Obama, looking for an excuse to help yet ANOTHER nation fall to the wahabbists of the MB.


19 posted on 12/05/2012 4:31:56 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: al baby
Hawaii would be a safe place to hide out during this time

Don't quote me on this, but it seems that we have an effeminate marxist with a muslim background as a CIC.

Benghazi was just the latest example of 0bama's lack of testosterone.

5.56mm

20 posted on 12/05/2012 4:36:26 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: John W

Assad would be signing his death warrant by using such weapons.


21 posted on 12/05/2012 4:37:33 PM PST by TheDon (In 2012, American voters doubled down on the first affirmative action president.)
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To: TheDon

Not if he shoots them at Israel.


22 posted on 12/05/2012 4:43:03 PM PST by Royal Wulff
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To: M Kehoe

I wonder if this is going down on 12-20-2012? I also agree with #10. Let them kill each other. Why are we even involved? We don’t back Israel and we let the Muslems push us around all the time. Hillary and obama are at fault. let them all go at it.


23 posted on 12/05/2012 4:48:35 PM PST by DrDude (Governor of the 57th State)
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To: M Kehoe

I wonder if this is going down on 12-20-2012? I also agree with #10. Let them kill each other. Why are we even involved? We don’t back Israel and we let the Muslems push us around all the time. Hillary and obama are at fault. let them all go at it.


24 posted on 12/05/2012 4:48:52 PM PST by DrDude (Governor of the 57th State)
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To: TheDon

Yes, but he may be just that crazy just now. Ragnarök if you’re German.


25 posted on 12/05/2012 4:51:30 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: John W

I DO NOT WANT the US to get involved with any of that crap over there. Let them kill themselves. Just protect Israel. I will not support Obama...WHAT-SO-EVER.


26 posted on 12/05/2012 4:56:28 PM PST by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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To: John W

And despite the hysteria as a dreaded “WMD”, gas is an idiotic thing to get all lathered up about, to the point that it drives our foreign policy.

Gas was slightly effective in WWI for 3 reasons. It was poorly understood, trench warfare was highly static, and last,, European battlefields were soaking wet, filled with shellholes, trenches, bunkers, and low lying areas where soldiers sought cover.

Gas artillery in WWI involved sometimes as many as 18,000 shells being fired into the target area in order to achieve a useful concentration level. They needed to deliver in the area of 100 to 160 tons in the average attack. And in modern highly mobile warfare, even the rebels would suffer a few casualties and leave the area.
Then it sucks for your own guys who you send in there.
Add in that it would invite hysterical reactions from around the world and NATO would immediately invade (to make the world safe for democracy again,, i guess) and it all adds up to almost no benefit tactically, for an enormous strategic loss.

Don’t forget, Saddam had gas in both wars we fought with him. It wasn’t used. Part of that is the threat that we would maybe retaliate with a nuke. But the bigger part of it is that it would have been almost useless against a mobile force. Gas is highly overrated.
This is Obama propaganda.


27 posted on 12/05/2012 4:57:03 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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Assad Chemical Weapons: Israel Praises Syria on Keeping WMDs Away From Terrorists

Wish Israel could say the same about Obama/Hillary.

28 posted on 12/05/2012 5:00:53 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: mojito
I thought it was the evil Buuuush who said that we needed to intervene in Iraq because Sadam had chemical weapons. Our best intelligence said he had them. Not only that, but he'd already used them on his own people. But that was bad and wrong.

I wanted to post the same thing, but you beat me to it!

Yes, what Bush did was wrong (of course, he had congressional approval).

What Obama does (even without congressional approval) is good.

If you do not agree, you need re-education.

29 posted on 12/05/2012 5:01:20 PM PST by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: John W
Looks like Saddam’s nonexistant WMD’s will finally get some use.
30 posted on 12/05/2012 5:03:02 PM PST by SunTzuWu
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To: DesertRhino
This is Obama, looking for an excuse to help yet ANOTHER nation fall to the wahabbists of the MB.

Your post 19 is exactly right. What is happening is a set-up for a lose-lose situation for Assad, in order to hand over Syria to the Muslim brotherhood.

All this preening by Hilary and Zero over the use of chemical weapons having consequences is just proof what a hoax this whole thing is.

If anything, we, or someone we are paying, probably would lob a few chem shells over there to create a pretext for action.

I don't trust anyone in DC, or what they say.

31 posted on 12/05/2012 5:07:16 PM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: John W

It would make far more sense to just pound them all day with standard 155 HE rounds. It should scare you wayyyy more than a gas round.
If a 155 gas round hits close to your position, you even have a sporting chance to run for your life and get away, especially if the wind gives you an edge. But if an HE round hits, there -ain’t- no running for your life. It got you, or it didn’t.


32 posted on 12/05/2012 5:07:35 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: TheDon

Assad should have been dead the minute he loaded the weapons with WMD! Obama is a complete moron Marxist.

He is going to fiddle around in Hawaii while the whole Middle East goes up in flames.


33 posted on 12/05/2012 5:14:45 PM PST by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: exit82

“If anything, we, or someone we are paying, probably would lob a few chem shells over there to create a pretext for action.”

Absolutely yes. I like how you think. And you know, we wouldn’t even have to pay anyone. We strut around screaming “if Assad uses gas, we will intervene”. So all these moslem brotherhood types in Egypt, Libya, Saudi Arabia, the rebels, etc,,,are hearing “If we need American air support like in Libya, we need to deploy gas somewhere”.

So they do it, we send in the and FBI test and confirm, and bada-bing*, they have all of Nato instantly joining their team. And we never had to do a THING except say what our position was.

If half expecting those jokes in DC to put out the story that Assads soldiers are catching Belgian babies on their bayonets! This is such obvious BS.


34 posted on 12/05/2012 5:16:33 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: SunTzuWu

Bingo!


35 posted on 12/05/2012 5:16:49 PM PST by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: penelopesire

“Assad should have been dead the minute he loaded the weapons with WMD!”

Obama smiled when he read that. And that reaction is exactly why the story that weapons were being loaded, was fed to NBC.


36 posted on 12/05/2012 5:20:00 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: John W

I am sick of intervention in muzzie countries. If they want to wipe each other out, so be it, as long as we have no personnel there.


37 posted on 12/05/2012 5:20:34 PM PST by dforest
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“Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton reiterated U.S. warnings to Assad not to use chemical weapons, saying he would be crossing “a red line” if he did so.”

Wow. I’m sure that really scared Assad. He’s probably cowering under his bed in fear of crossing that red line.


38 posted on 12/05/2012 5:20:34 PM PST by Old Grumpy
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To: DesertRhino

WWI gas was way less lethal than modern nerve gases.
Even so, I agree that gas vs a mechanized mobile force in open country is of little use.

However, the fighting in Syria where it counts right now is urban, and the targets aren’t mobile mechanized troops but urban militias and civilians. A few gas attacks vs civilians could easily cause a panic and a collapse, if exploited correctly. Nerve gas in an urban area against people with no effective protection could be enormously effective.

Nato would be unlikely to invade, as they would have to stage through Turkey and the Turks aren’t likely to stick their necks too far out. It may be impossible even to get basing their for an effective aerial intervention. In Libya the allies could work out of Sicily, but there isn’t a real alternative to Turkey in this case.

The Syrian military supported by Iran isn’t nearly as weak and useless as Gaddafi’s gangs. The Nato assets used vs Gaddafi were trivial compared to what would be needed in Syria.


39 posted on 12/05/2012 5:23:41 PM PST by buwaya
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To: Old Grumpy

-— Wow. I’m sure that really scared Assad. He’s probably cowering under his bed in fear of crossing that red line. -—

She’s wise to save the BRIGHT red line for later. No one can withstand that.


40 posted on 12/05/2012 5:25:03 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: Old Grumpy

“Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton reiterated U.S. warnings to Assad not to use chemical weapons, saying he would be crossing “a red line” if he did so.”

And in doing so, deliberately informed the rebels EXACTLY what needs to happen so they can have F/A-18s come assist them. Don’t think for a minute they didn’t clearly understand what she was telling them to do.

She told them “politically we cannot sell this at home, so we need you to make sure you are “attacked” by gas”.


41 posted on 12/05/2012 5:26:07 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino

Gas is scary in both non-logical and perfectly real ways, particularly to a civilian population. Gas can penetrate bomb shelters and trenches, particularly the kind that civilians would make in a hurry. It can be dispersed with weapons that have little “bang”, so it can be widely faked with small expenditure of real gas shells.
Some real gas mixed in with a scattered bombardment across wide urban areas can cause a massive civilian panic.
Remember that Assads government hates its people. It works by scaring them.


42 posted on 12/05/2012 5:29:51 PM PST by buwaya
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To: DesertRhino

I see your point. However since we don’t know where Assad is sending those weapons,we should be bombing the hell out of the sites. What if they are used on Israel?


43 posted on 12/05/2012 5:31:18 PM PST by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: TheDon

In his audition for Sec. of Non-Defense, John War Hero Kerry tells B. Hussein he can stand down, since WMDs are aimed at Israel, not Syrian Muslim Brotherhood.


44 posted on 12/05/2012 5:47:41 PM PST by Rainier1789 (My Constitution has a 2nd and 10th Amendment)
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To: M Kehoe

This is horrible.Funny Diane Sawyer didn’t mention it.:)She had dogs driving.


45 posted on 12/05/2012 5:49:39 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: reagandemocrat
False flag operation.

Very sadly, I agree.

Germany justified invading Poland because "Polish" military units attacked and destroyed a German radio station which gave an extended on-the-air live report of the "attack".

The public school educated Americans are stupid enough to be conned by a false flag chemical weapon attack on the "rebels".

46 posted on 12/05/2012 5:55:54 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: John W
Its W-W-3 I tell ya...

Duba ya-duba-Three!

47 posted on 12/05/2012 6:20:06 PM PST by JOE6PAK (The universe is a lot safer if you bring a towel.)
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To: Wiggins
The people Assad is going to kill are NOT "his own people" ~ this is Syria, not some banana republic. The oppressed minority rules ~

At the same time hardly anyone in that country is nice ~ but seriously, the people trying to take over are several times nastier than Assad, poison gas and all!

48 posted on 12/05/2012 6:23:45 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: reagandemocrat

Ping false flag.. Ditto


49 posted on 12/05/2012 6:26:32 PM PST by Broker ( sojourner)
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To: John W

These reports are something of a red herring; like most countries with CW stockpiles, Syria makes extensive use of binary weapons technology. The precursor agents necessary to produce the chemical agent are already loaded in the weapon and mixed after it is fired. Presumably, Damascus has thousands of CW shells, missile warheads and other munitions that are filled and ready to go.

However, Syria has been know to train with live CW agents, to improve handling and employment skills. In 2007, “dozens” of Syrian and Iranian technicians died during a warhead mating exercise. Somehow, the warhead exploded and chemicals were released, killing a number of participants.


50 posted on 12/05/2012 6:28:41 PM PST by ExNewsExSpook
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