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To: Tublecane
Things change. People change. Things are lost -- and gained. It's an imperfect world.

Do you really expect that everyone and everything would remain as they were centuries ago? Or that we would be radically different from other peoples in a similar position? Or that the very things that you might favor, support, or want wouldn't bring negative consequences along with positive benefits?

10 posted on 12/05/2012 5:06:16 PM PST by x
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“Do you really expect that everyone and everything would remain as they were centuries ago?”

My feeling has always been that of Madison, i.e. government’s natural inclination is to grow. So I’ve always expected it to grow, and I was not disappointed.

I find your whole post puzzling, and perhaps insulting. What, specifically, in my post are you reacting to? The question was what ruined the Republic, which I took to mean corruption in the sense that, for instance, women are corrupted, meaning they are no longer maidens. Obviously our current form of government is not the one we see outlined in the Constitution, so it must have been ruined sometime.

The previous poster put it at us; I put it at the New Deal. Does doing so imply I think we should operate exactly as in 1931, if in fact that’s possible? I suppose. You can say that’s naive or perhaps just plain wrong. You don’t have to lecture me on the fact that things change. I wouldn’t have listed all those generations under which we went through ideological shifts if I didn’t already know that.

I never dreamer of our Republic being like the thousand year reich. But I do believe in retaining the Republic in some form, and defending tge principles that matter in the face of historical drift, which is change as you bring up. I wouldn’t be a conservaive if I didn’t so believe. Your response seems to me like the shallowest, most sophistic junior high level relativist in the bad sense comeback against conservatism. Oh, things change, really? I guess everything’s okay, then.


14 posted on 12/05/2012 8:51:13 PM PST by Tublecane
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“Things change...”

Oh, really? Thanks, Heraclitus, I’ve never heard that before. Except that my post was all about historical turning points, so I guess somewhere in the back of my mind I knew.

“Do you really expect that everyone and everything would remain as they were centuries ago?”

This is off-topic. Whether or not I wanted the US to be a million year reich and when the constitutional Republic was ruined are different matters.

Your post is about the shallowest, most sophistic, relativist in the bad sense piece of junior high reasoning of all the critiques of conservatism. It would be, with a bit of exagerration, as if I said I believed in the death penalty you responded with, “Do you think you can know with absolute certainty someone’s guilt or innocence? Are you God? Did it ever occur to you those who are against it might be right? Or will you execute them, too?” What childishness.


15 posted on 12/05/2012 9:04:11 PM PST by Tublecane
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