Skip to comments.Should Troublemakers Be Segregated from the General Population?
Posted on 12/05/2012 4:52:07 PM PST by Kaslin
Lets take a break from depressing posts about Obamas fixation on class-warfare tax policy and the failure of Washington to enact genuine entitlement reform.
Its time for another edition of You Be the Judge. I periodically come across stories that cause me internal conflict. Often my heart gives one answer and my head disagrees. Or Im genuinely unsure of the right approach.
Previous editions of the game include:
Lots of fun stories, as you can see.
Our latest example is about the Dutch are dealing with the scum of society. Heres some of the story from the UK-based Telegraph.
Hollandss capital already has a special hit squad of municipal officials to identify the worst offenders for a compulsory six month course in how to behave. Social housing problem families or tenants who do not show an improvement or refuse to go to the special units face eviction and homelessness. Eberhard van der Laan, Amsterdams Labour mayor, has tabled the £810,000 plan to tackle 13,000 complaints of anti-social behaviour every year. He complained that long-term harassment often leads to law abiding tenants, rather than their nuisance neighbours, being driven out. This is the world turned upside down, the mayor said at the weekend. The new punishment housing camps have been dubbed scum villages because the plan echoes a proposal from Geert Wilders, the leader of a populist Dutch Right-wing party, for special units to deal with persistent troublemakers. Repeat offenders should be forcibly removed from their neighbourhood and sent to a village for scum, he suggested last year. Put all the trash together. The tough approach taken by Mr van der Laan appears to jar with Amsterdams famous tolerance for prostitution and soft drugs but reflects hardening attitudes to routine anti-social behaviour that falls short of criminality. There are already several small-scale trial projects in the Netherlands, including in Amsterdam, where 10 shipping container homes have been set aside for persistent offenders, living under 24-hour supervision from social workers and police.
Part of me thinks this is a good approach. Not the part about expensive social workers, to be sure, but Im sympathetic to the notion that there are bad apples that cause trouble and can ruin neighborhoods.
Why not put them all together and let them stew in their own juices?
On the other hand, this soft version of prison seems inappropriate if people havent been convicted of a crime. Surely the government could trump up some sort of charge, and even do it in a semi-legitimate fashion. These sound like the sort of people who could be nailed for all sorts of things, such as disorderly conduct, assault and battery, urinating in public, and so on.
But swinging back in the other direction, it sounds as if the scum are inhabitants of public housing. And while I think public housing shouldnt exist, I have no problem with the government enforcing standards of behavior as a condition of living in one of these Moochervilles. So all thats really happening is that the riff-raff of society is being shifted from one form of government-provided housing to another.
What do you think?
P.S. The Netherlands is a typical European welfare state in many ways, but it has a good school choice system and a very competitive corporate tax system (as shown in the second video in this post). But those few good policies wont be enough since the nations long-run fiscal outlook is as bad as Greece and worse than Spain and Italy. And if the burden of government spending gets too high, it swamps any good policies in other areas.
Lets replace sharia law with Tea Party Law!
It would get the democrats out of our hair.
To the headline: I am sure obama has plans for those he considers troublemakers .
Sounds good to me
A prison by any other name.
Seems like Germany already tried this, once...
If the real trouble makers were separated from the general population, it would be labeled racism.
What exactly is the general population?
Everyone should be broken down into tribes.
If they are ex-cons, AND on public assistance, that is a big YES. Stick ‘em in the “scum village.”
If they’re paying with their own hard earned money, then no.
It’s obvious that the future use of something like this would be for people who disagree with the ruling powers. That’s what this would quickly turn into, it would be a way for TPTB to get rid of people who are in opposition.
The first target in this country would be the Tea Party.
how about welfare cities?
this should be tested on keith olbermann.
That would be a quite a metropolis.
The Soviets actually, internal exile.
Not a good idea.
Ya, now that you mention it....the Chinese, too.
This is a sh!t-stupid idea every time it’s tried.