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Stinging report says NASA lost, lacks real sense of direction
msnbc.msn.com ^ | December 5, 2012 | Seth Borenstein

Posted on 12/05/2012 6:53:24 PM PST by wesagain

NASA, the agency that epitomized the "Right Stuff," looks lost in space and doesn't have a clear sense of where it is going, an independent panel of science and engineering experts said in a stinging report Wednesday.

The report by a panel of the distinguished National Academy of Sciences doesn't blame the space agency; it faults the president, Congress and the nation for not giving NASA better direction. At the same time, it said NASA is doing little to further the White House's goal of sending astronauts to an asteroid.

In one withering passage, the panel said NASA's mission and vision statements are so vague and "generic" that they "could apply to almost any government research and development agency, omitting even the worlds 'aeronautics' or 'space.'"

The space shuttles were retired in 2011 and are now museum pieces. Few people are paying attention to the International Space Station, and American astronauts have to rely on Russian spaceships to get there and back. Meanwhile, rocket-building is being outsourced to private companies, and a commercial venture plans to send people to the moon by the end of the decade.

Academy panel member Bob Crippen, a retired NASA manager and astronaut who piloted the first space shuttle mission, said he has never seen the space .......

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: muslimoutreach; nasa; nasamission; nasamuslimoutreach

1 posted on 12/05/2012 6:53:29 PM PST by wesagain
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To: wesagain

Lack of direction? = lack of Director!


2 posted on 12/05/2012 6:54:42 PM PST by wesagain (The God (Elohim) of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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To: wesagain

Gee, who woulda thought this when the Obama appointee said that “Muslim outreach” was the most important mission of NASA

Good grief. Idiots reign.


3 posted on 12/05/2012 6:55:06 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat (Elections do have consequences, young people of America)
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To: wesagain
I thought NASAs new mission was to promote the feelings of muslims ...
4 posted on 12/05/2012 6:55:24 PM PST by Ken522
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To: wesagain
Yet another consequence of having a “community organizer” in charge.
5 posted on 12/05/2012 6:56:12 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: wesagain

Thirty years ago when Reagen was whipping the commies, I thought me would have at Mars by now.


6 posted on 12/05/2012 6:58:02 PM PST by Sybeck1 (Exodus 20:17)
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To: wesagain

Yep! More ‘American Exceptionalism’ to be castrated thanks to Obama.


7 posted on 12/05/2012 7:01:43 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: wesagain
First thing Ubama and his fellow travelers did was gut NASA because it symbolizes competence and achievement.

That's racist.

8 posted on 12/05/2012 7:01:43 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state." - Cornelius Tacitus, Roman Senator)
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To: wesagain

Direction? NASA has plenty. Its directed by Agenda 21. Makes perfect sense. We shut down our manned space flight program and now PAY the RUSSIAN’S $50 - 70 million PER astronaut to launch them to what is as far as I am concerned is OUR space station.

Re-distribution of wealth even in space.


9 posted on 12/05/2012 7:03:56 PM PST by Captain7seas (Fire Jane Lubchenco)
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To: wesagain
The main reason that NASA has had problems defining its mission is because all of the scientists know that the best use of funds would be on probes, but the politicians and idiots in the public want funds spent on human conquest of space.

Unless and until the politicians and public come to the realization that we can get a lot more done with probes than humans, mission definition problems will continue to be a problem.

10 posted on 12/05/2012 7:06:26 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: wesagain

Glad they point out “the president” - after all, he basically ended the shuttle, and so there is no real project to work on.

Mixed feelings about this, anyway.

What’s so terrible about “private” ventures for rockets and space tourism?

We had reason to be proud of our NASA, but is it really necessary? Do we really need to have the gov in charge of this, never mind every thing else?


11 posted on 12/05/2012 7:07:41 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Good point.


12 posted on 12/05/2012 7:09:20 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Ken522

Next stop: LBGT astronuts.


13 posted on 12/05/2012 7:13:02 PM PST by rbg81
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To: wesagain

Well, no kidding, considering obama is doing everything he can do to destroy NASA.


14 posted on 12/05/2012 7:18:28 PM PST by chessplayer
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To: wesagain
We have a REAL problem that NASA ought to spend time and money on - cleaning up our own near-earth junk piles of old used up satellites that pose a large and growing problem. There are two big junk-piles up there, one above the equator and one on the opposite side of the earth below the equator. Just the money spent on keeping track of this mess would almost suffice to clean it up!

Sure a lot of the space junk in orbit around earth does eventually come down, but a lot more of it keeps accumulating causing increasing problems and danger to launching and returning vehicles - as well as humans on earth!

They could use the project to develop a reusable space tractor that would come in handy around Mars, or proposed asteroid mining.

But, every time the proliferation of space-junk comes up, it's always dropped as too much work to do. Better to just let it grow - get more dangerous, and fall wherever and whenever nature leads it to. One day, a big chunk of it might fall in a big city and take out a few hundred people.

Launch the space tractor - grab the thing and take it to the space recycle bin that NASA could build. Hell, the Libs are all for recycling, aren't they?

15 posted on 12/05/2012 7:19:23 PM PST by Ron C.
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To: wesagain

That’s just stoopit and a bald faced lie.

There are the largest Moslem outreach agency in Amerika...per Herr Obama’s edict...


16 posted on 12/05/2012 7:20:06 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: wesagain

Muslims in Space...


17 posted on 12/05/2012 7:21:38 PM PST by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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To: wesagain


18 posted on 12/05/2012 7:22:05 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: wesagain

Somebody could help NASA out by stepping outside and pointing up at the sky.


19 posted on 12/05/2012 7:23:25 PM PST by moovova
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To: wesagain

NASA’s Director, Charlie Bolden, who thought NASA’s mission included making Muslims feel good about their history, is a very good example of the direction that NASA has..... the wrong direction.

Until Obama lovers like Bolden are out of the loop and until Obama and the democrats are out of power, NASA is a waste of time and money.


20 posted on 12/05/2012 7:26:03 PM PST by Gator113 (**WHO in the hell gave the damn order to NOT rescue our men in Benghazi?**)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

We had reason to be proud of our NASA, but is it really necessary? Do we really need to have the gov in charge of this,


Yes, because no private enterprise will be able to afford what NASA does and has done. Sure, private enterprise might be able to put a satellite in orbit, but thats about it.


21 posted on 12/05/2012 7:28:30 PM PST by chessplayer
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To: moovova

Somebody could help NASA out by stepping outside and pointing up at the sky.


So volunteer your services to them,


22 posted on 12/05/2012 7:30:51 PM PST by chessplayer
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To: wesagain

“...it said NASA is doing little to further the White House’s goal of sending astronauts to an asteroid.”

Maybe they should plan to send Obozo and his “insignificant” other to an asteroid. That would give those scientists some incentive to work hard and fast toward that goal.

I know a lot of people that would support them in that endeavor.


23 posted on 12/05/2012 7:39:47 PM PST by BlessingsofLiberty (Remember Brian Terry...)
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To: wesagain
Stinging report says NASA lost, lacks real sense of direction

You'd think NASA would have a keen sense of direction since its officials need to locate Mecca five times a day.

24 posted on 12/05/2012 7:44:27 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: wesagain

They may not do great science any more but their EEO figures are fantastic.


25 posted on 12/05/2012 7:54:24 PM PST by wrencher
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To: wesagain
No one can read the damned memos:

صانع للحدث ومشارك فيه وجزء منه بمعنى ان ينقل المواطن الحدث من مكان وقوعه صوت وصورة للمشاهد عبر التلفزيون من خلال تصوير الحدث سواء كانت مظاهرات أو اشتباكات أو حوادث طرق أو غيرها . - تعتمد القناه على نقلها للحدث مباشرة بداية من البورصة والاحداث الاقتصادية من داخل مقصورة البورصةالرئيسية وهو مايحدث لاول مرة في قناه مصرية ان تبث مباشرة من مقصورة البورصة. - متابعه للمؤتمرات الحزبية والسياسيه والوقفات الاحتجاجية والإنتخابات بشكل مباشر من خلال كاميرات القناه التي تتجول من مكان إلى اخر لنقل الاحداث مباشره. - تتابع القناه مايحدث في العالم العربي وتأثيره على مصر من خلال مكاتبها بالإضافة لنقل مايحدث وراءهذه الاخبار وكواليس الاحداث. - تنقل القناه بشكل يومي مايحدث على الساحة المصرية في جميع القضايا السياسية والإجتماعية والثقافية من خلال البرامج اليومية بشكل مباشر وتعتمد في على الإيقاع السريع والتحليل ودقة المعلومات في جميع انحاء الجمهورية من خلال 28 مراسل في جميع محافظات مصر. - تنقل كواليس الاحداث الرياضية من خلال الالتراس ومشاكل الأندية ومن وراءالاحداث الرياضية والمشاحنات ونقل حي من كواليس المباريات وصفقات اللاعبين واجتماعات الأندية بالإضافة لمتابعة الاحداث الرياضية العالمية .

26 posted on 12/05/2012 8:09:47 PM PST by annieokie
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To: Captain7seas

Obama must be so proud of cutting us down to size...he really must think this country needs to experience what it’s like to be a third world hell hole. He is one sick uck...and fearless and without conscience in his lying and betraying.

What is unfathomable is how easy it has been to bribe and cheat his way in to power.

I work with a guy from Eritrea in Africa. He said it was built up by the Italians and his mother speaks fluent Italian and he gets to eat a lot of authentically cooked Italian food. Apparently it was once the top country in Africa - very industrial. Then there was a revolution “by the gun” and a dictator was put in place over 40 years ago. Now they are the least industrial country in Africa. Sounds familiar! But I’m sure the potentate at the top and his sycophants are doing quite well i.e. 4M vacations by “dear leader” for which the serfs are supposed to be grateful to be able to bless their superior ones, special benefits for all who bow to him and pure $hit for those who are disgusted by this.

Did you ever believe this could happen to us?


27 posted on 12/05/2012 8:20:04 PM PST by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - both were a coup d'etat.)
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To: wesagain

NASA = Never A Straight Answer


28 posted on 12/05/2012 8:28:35 PM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (November 6, 2012.....A day that will live in infamy!)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

There is a line of thinking that if Kennedy hadn’t been murdered we never would have gone to the moon.

After he made his goal of reaching the moon, and they told him what it would cost, he was shocked and appalled. And started looking around for excesses to weasel out.

Then he was shot, and we had to do it for John. FOR JOHN! FOR JOHN!


29 posted on 12/05/2012 8:30:13 PM PST by DManA
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To: chessplayer

I doubt that. At least minus the century-old income tax, it probably could be done if someone/group wanted to spend all their time on it.

Once again, it all goes back to income tax. If it were gone, how many things we could do.


30 posted on 12/05/2012 8:38:09 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: DManA

I can see that, but then again, we were in a “space race” with commies (as if we didn’t already have them in the US). So, it probably would’ve happened even without Martyr Syndrome.


31 posted on 12/05/2012 8:39:20 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: wesagain
That's due to Muslim Outreach at work. Muslims haven't contributed anything to world civilization for 1,400 years. NASA is just finding out why this is.
32 posted on 12/05/2012 8:42:16 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: wesagain

Well u8nder the direction of Barack Obimbo what did they expect. I mean NASA is now a Muslim outreach center according to the wishes of almighty O.


33 posted on 12/05/2012 8:47:39 PM PST by lwoodham (I am Andrew Breitbart. Don't doubt me on this.)
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To: wesagain

I would rather not know how much was spent to produce this report. Just spare me, please.


34 posted on 12/05/2012 9:12:42 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (This stuff we're going through now, this is nothing compared to the middle ages.)
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To: chessplayer
Yes, because no private enterprise will be able to afford what NASA does and has done. Sure, private enterprise might be able to put a satellite in orbit, but thats about it.

The NASA budget is only about $17 to $18 billion per year. That is a paltry figure. Just one aerospace company, Lockheed Martin, has annual revenue of about $46 billion.

When government bonds are issued to finance public works - the investors that buy them are - in the private sector.

Deal values for private financings can frequently range into the billions. When Hospital Corp. of America was bought out by private equity in 2006, the deal was valued at $32.7 billion.

Balance sheets of the largest banks in America - are now in the Trillions, yes, that’s Trillions with a T.

It is a childish scam to say that a paltry $17 billion can not be raised by the private sector - but our leftist media and schools continually trot out that propaganda; we have to close our ears to it and look at the numbers ourselves.

The only issue with raising billions in private sector capital for a project is there has to be some return on the investment, and that is where NASA’s activities fall woefully short. If you need to raise billions for a project that has no hope of having any return on the investment, THAT requires the taxpayer to pay for it. The entire race to the moon, after all, was simply a competition between the leadership of the U.S. and the USSR.

There certainly were advancements made that came out of the space program. But there are also advancements made out of military aircraft development programs. There are always things learned about X while in the process of working on problem Y. Companies involved in making anything chemical in nature are generally very good in this arena, in fact, they often are too adventurous in this regard, having, IMHO, sometimes forgotten about the benefits of keeping products safe over the long haul. But my point here is that there is something called creativity in the private sector, a creativity that springs from being in the private sector, where the business is creating products to sell and must do so profitably or face layoffs. Politicians, on the other hand, have zero clue about what the next project should be from an engineering, economic, strategic, moral or any other standpoint besides good PR for them and doing what their "experts" (globalists, elites, etc.) tell them.

Like anyone my age in a technical field, NASA is near and dear to my heart, because I have early memories of being up in the morning early, with my father, watching the Apollo missions. I certainly take my hat off to engineers and scientists making something so grand work, and I will always feel that way.

Unfortunately (back in the reality of politics), there was no revenue stream at the end of the project, so it should be viewed as the competition that it was and be retired.

Hand in hand with that idea, however, is that aerospace superiority is critical to national security. So in truth, the U.S. government should purchase aerospace systems like crazy from private sector companies, and limit what they can export (which they do). Our idiot Congress needs to keep in mind that these companies are great, but they need to make sales in the U.S. or they are tempted to sell overseas. There are many smart tactics that could be employed to keep America safe and generate huge revenue for aerospace. Wasting money is not one of them.

The project they should be working on is cleaning up all the junk up there. It should be put up to bid along the lines of SpaceX, etc., with the same idea that things are accomplished step by step, not in one big program to do the whole job.

It's important to point out also that a lot more than NASA needs to be eliminated, i.e., welfare of $1 Trillion, or the $17 billion will just be reallocated there, in which case it is better spent on NASA. Also, NASA should be sold off as an organization and equipment, to purely American companies, not merely shut down.

IMHO.
35 posted on 12/06/2012 9:13:23 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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