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An armed society is a civil society; a knifed and booted society is a dangerous one
BookwormRoom.com ^ | 12-5-2012 | Bookworm

Posted on 12/06/2012 5:00:33 AM PST by servo1969

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Some people love to tout how many crimes are committed by armed individuals. It's truly unfortunate there can never be a count of all the crimes cut short because a potential victim was armed. I'd be willing to bet for every crime committed with a gun there are at least 5 or more crimes that never happen because someone knows they risk catching a bullet in return.

And on another note regardless of whatever Bob Costas may think Kasandra Perkins’ only chance to survive a life and death encounter with Jovan Belcher would have been, ironically enough, to be armed with a gun herself. Even a tiny woman can pull a trigger. Belcher was a big, big man but a single bullet is all it takes to put a big, big man in the ground. Belcher proved that very fact with his last act.

An armed society is a polite society because violent people are forced to be mindful of other people's rights. The one's who aren't get removed from society in due course no matter how physically tough they might be. Like the old saying goes, “God created man. Samuel Colt made them equal.”
1 posted on 12/06/2012 5:00:46 AM PST by servo1969
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To: servo1969
When I returned to America, I still hated guns (I had, after all, been carefully taught to do so), but I began to wonder — Are guns really the only bad thing out there?

Oh don't worry, the UK also have some of the strictest knife laws in the world as well. No locking blade folding knives are allowed.

2 posted on 12/06/2012 5:11:36 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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while bullets have the advantage of distance, in the close quarters of a bar fight, knives or broken bottles are much more dangerous.

Generally good article, but this is just nonsense.

One can make a case, though not a particularly good one, that a knife or broken bottle might be just as dangerous under such circumstances, but not that it is more dangerous. Even less much more dangerous.

This is of course why we don't have a saying about the foolishness of bringing a gun to a knife fight.

3 posted on 12/06/2012 5:25:38 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: servo1969

The quote should be attributed properly:

“An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.” — Robert A. Heinlein.


4 posted on 12/06/2012 5:35:51 AM PST by Usagi_yo
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To: Sherman Logan

You are incorrect sir, knife wounds are more often fatal than bullet wounds with today’s medical care. The reason is knife wounds tend to bleed much more,being generally much wider,causing the victim to bleed out before they can be treated. Check out the most recent reseach.


5 posted on 12/06/2012 5:41:54 AM PST by E.Allen
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To: Sherman Logan
The writer cites the greater effectiveness of a knife (over a handgun) in close quarters, and is correct if the handgun is undrawn or even uncocked. An attacker can close the short distance and thrust a knife a lot faster than most defenders can even draw their handguns - let alone fire. Ten feet can be closed in a flash.

The most important step is to maintain distance from an attacker so you can fire before he closes and strikes, and a handgun in the well-trained hands of an alert defender is certainly the best tool for that job. But proper distance is vital to defend against being knifed or disarmed by a skilled attacker.

6 posted on 12/06/2012 5:45:29 AM PST by Always A Marine
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To: servo1969

One thing is suggested is extremely important: at close range, a knife is superb as a weapon.

It complements a gun well, as it is at its best “within the minimum range” of a gun. And if you have a gun, and your opponent has a knife, this minimum range is quite large, as they can “close the gap” very quickly.

World War I trench warfare is the best illustration of optimal mid and short range combat, and is cleanly extrapolated to indoor combat as well.

Men in trenches had as their primary weapon a rifle, for mid to long distance shooting. But when one side or the other advanced to enter the enemies’ trenches, a rifle had much less value, as because of the zig-zag nature of the trench, fighting distances were limited to mid and short range.

So the best combination for trenches was a pistol in one hand, and a trench knife in the other, optimized with brass knuckles for very close combat.

http://i.imgur.com/ouhSy.jpg

It is very easy to imagine how dark and narrow corridors in a building are much like this, especially if your opponent is desensitized with alcohol or drugs. And unfamiliar with the layout, as this is “your” trench, not theirs.

The downside to knives is that they do take a degree of skill and experience for optimal use. But, as with a gun, this training provides a strong advantage, so is well worth it.


7 posted on 12/06/2012 5:46:00 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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knife wounds are more often fatal than bullet wounds with today’s medical care.

Well, here's one study showing a 22% mortality for bullet wounds, and 4% for knife wounds.

http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~lambert/guns/archive/knives/msg00006.html

If you have alternate data, I'd like to see it.

8 posted on 12/06/2012 5:55:55 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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If the shooter even manages a wound.

The pistol is a difficult weapon if you never train.

Just put the thing away, and you might as well throw it at the target.


9 posted on 12/06/2012 6:03:18 AM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: servo1969
...the single largest and most deadly entity known to man...is man himself...
10 posted on 12/06/2012 6:24:22 AM PST by bigheadfred
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To: servo1969

For whatever reason there will always be those who think that removing weapons from the hands of the citizenry will make for a less violent society. Archie Bunker would ask if it made his daughter feel better if they were pushed out windows instead.

I one individual wants one or more people dead and is serious enough to act on that thought....then they will find the means to make that happen.


11 posted on 12/06/2012 6:36:20 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: Sherman Logan

Ask a cop which he is more afraid of, gun or knife.

You would be surprised.

That is why cops do not give one inch to a guy with a knife.


12 posted on 12/06/2012 6:48:13 AM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: servo1969
the true British homicide rate has been camouflaged
13 posted on 12/06/2012 6:52:26 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: servo1969

The purpose of our Founding Fathers stipulating that Americans have the absolute RIGHT to Bear Arms was to keep any oppressive Government in check.

It was true then with the British, and it is becoming even more true today as we are slowly being taken over by Obama’s Communist Administration.

Seen from that perspective, Bob Costas is just another Liberal Enabler for Obama’s creeping Communism.


14 posted on 12/06/2012 6:54:10 AM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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The pistol is a difficult weapon if you never train.

And using a knife to kill effectively comes naturally? I don't buy it.

15 posted on 12/06/2012 8:02:19 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

Lol. Buy whatever you want. It’s your funeral.


16 posted on 12/06/2012 8:51:12 AM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: Hardraade

I’m curious about something. If a knife is so much more deadly than a pistol, why do Freepers concerned about self-defense spend so much time talking about guns and so little talking about knives?


17 posted on 12/06/2012 9:05:28 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Hardraade

A pistol is an incredibly easy weapon to use. Handguns were designed to be easy to use. Even with minimal instruction at 10-15 ft its pretty much point and click. Especially a revolver. Try shooting one sometime.

Never bring a knife to a gunfight.


18 posted on 12/06/2012 9:08:52 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Sherman Logan

One disruptive aspect of knives, boots, and broken bottles versus guns, is that a group with knives can overcome a single knife-armed victim with fairly low risk of any of the attackers being seriously harmed. A victim with a gun is likely to seriously injure at least one of his attackers, even if they have guns too. Thus, cowardly predators are more likely deterred in an environment where many potential targets may be armed.


19 posted on 12/06/2012 9:17:27 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: servo1969

I don’t know about anyone else but on that Brady Campaign poster where it says “God Bless America” I always imagine the speaker spitting on the ground after saying it. It seems to convey such deep disdain as to be disrespectful. I mean it literally might as well say “F*** You America.” I wonder if that’s the message they were going for? ‘Cause it’s the one I get.


20 posted on 12/06/2012 11:06:58 AM PST by servo1969
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