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Senate slams human rights with NDAA 2013 troop deployment on US soil
http://www.examiner.com ^ | december 6, 2012 | deborah dupre

Posted on 12/06/2012 12:33:00 PM PST by lowbridge

In a slam to human rights in the United States, on Tuesday, Senators unanimously passed the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) 2013, including potential dictatorial capacity to deploy the U.S. military on U.S. soil to arrest citizens.

One amendment to the 2013 version of the defense spending bill unanimously passed Tuesday by the Senate clarified the right to trial of “citizens and permanent legal residents” detained under the relevant sections of the revamped measure, but according to civil and human rights experts, this amendment created the potential for even more rights violations than NDAA 2012.

The amendment, "the Feinstein-Lee Amendment," was cosponsored by Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), Mike Lee (R-Utah), and Rand Paul (R-Ky.). In an interview Tuesday with The New American, spokesmen for Lee and Paul admitted that the amendment did not go far enough in the defense of due process, but said it was a step in the right direction.

“It might look like a fix, but it breaks things further," explains Chris Anders, an attorney with the Washington, DC legislative office of the American Civil Liberties Union. "Feinstein's amendment says that American citizens and green-card holders in the United States cannot be put into indefinite detention in a military prison, but carves out everyone else in the United States.”

“The Feinstein amendment may imply that the military has the right to act within the United States. There’s been a longstanding principle that the Constitution applies to all persons in the United States. We don’t divide up who gets rights by citizenship status. Nobody gets thrown under the bus in terms of due process in the United States,” he says.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
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1 posted on 12/06/2012 12:33:08 PM PST by lowbridge
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To: lowbridge

Will American boys and girls open fire on their own people?


2 posted on 12/06/2012 12:37:27 PM PST by DManA
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To: DManA

If they are shot at first?


3 posted on 12/06/2012 12:39:47 PM PST by huldah1776
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To: lowbridge

Those filty communists. And they keep getting elected.


4 posted on 12/06/2012 12:40:17 PM PST by Bitsy
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To: lowbridge
to deploy the U.S. military on U.S. soil to arrest citizens.

Best bring a lunch, this might take a while.

/johnny

5 posted on 12/06/2012 12:41:17 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: lowbridge

Let us remember that these troops might be required to arrest the Obamadork and his cadre of felons in the (hopefully) near future.

The military hates, loathes, despises, and f*rts in the general direction of the dork...as they all realize that the lower ranking private or seaman has far, far more ability and morals than does the Dork-in-Chief.


6 posted on 12/06/2012 12:41:17 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Bitsy

But, but, Rand Paul co-sponsored the bill. So it must be good ...


7 posted on 12/06/2012 12:42:33 PM PST by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: DManA

With propaganda and drugs, they will. You betcha.

It’s called “programing”. Works everywhere it’s tried.

See Rwanda genocide.


8 posted on 12/06/2012 12:42:45 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: lowbridge

Posse comitatus?


9 posted on 12/06/2012 12:45:11 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: DManA

Some will, some won’t...most will.


10 posted on 12/06/2012 12:45:40 PM PST by 556x45
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To: JRandomFreeper

Thank you, Johnny. Somehow your remarks always seem to lend me a little comfort. I am grateful.


11 posted on 12/06/2012 12:46:49 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: lowbridge

A shadow over the Land


12 posted on 12/06/2012 12:47:10 PM PST by wetgundog (" Extremism in the Defense of Liberty is no Vice")
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To: DManA

Yes, the last time was the “War of Northern Aggression” in 1861. But this one will be the War of Socialist Aggression! The largest armed population in the world is the American public.


13 posted on 12/06/2012 12:55:05 PM PST by Colorado Cowgirl (God bless America!)
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To: DManA
Will American boys and girls open fire on their own people?

When ordered to, some will. Probably most of them especially if they've been properly indoctrinated and primed first.

14 posted on 12/06/2012 12:59:16 PM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: lowbridge

America as the land of the free is now dead. we need a revolt soon!!


15 posted on 12/06/2012 1:00:39 PM PST by ExCTCitizen (More Republicans stayed home then the margin of victory of O's Win...)
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To: BitWielder1
The other question is, will American people be able to fire on American soldiers, even in self defense?
They could be our own children and the armed citizen does not have the law on his side anymore.
The soldiers too will if course claim self defense.
This situation is getting increasingly dicey and dangerous.
The left pitting people against people is working.

16 posted on 12/06/2012 1:08:59 PM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Da Coyote

I pray every night that the SEALs will decent upon the ONE, either while in the White House or on his $4 MILLION vacation in Hawaii. He’s committed multiple treasonous offenses, to include ‘Fast & Furious’, funding the MB, bombing Libya without consent from Congress, and Benghazi.


17 posted on 12/06/2012 1:09:34 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: Colorado Cowgirl

I believe the operative model for the Feds will be Sherman’s concept of “Total War.”

Be prepared.


18 posted on 12/06/2012 1:18:17 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: kosciusko51

I must be missing something. Why would he do that?


19 posted on 12/06/2012 1:20:01 PM PST by Bitsy
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To: JRandomFreeper

Towards the end of the article:

“Feinstein’s amendment says that American citizens and green-card holders in the United States cannot be put into indefinite detention in a military prison,but carves out everyone else in the United States.”

“The Feinstein amendment may imply that the military has the right to act within the United States.”

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So it is NOT to detain citizens. (Opps - I missed the word “INDEFINITE”. So if they say I’m to be put away for exactly 5 years for posting on FR that would be okay?! Seems to me it IS. Otherwise they would have left that word out).

I just caught that upon review, but lets say that it was NOT meant to EVER detain citizens.

But it is using the military. So I suppose a likely scenario would be if the military helps along the border and catches an illegal coming across (say a muslim with some containers of sarin gas) - they could detain him. But then that brings up using the military on U.S. soil.

But I imagine that in the past where the military (National Guard) has helped with riots, etc. they have detained people and turned them over to police for booking and a trial. (Is the national guard in those cases not really the “military” as they are under the governor of the state?) This amendment sounds more like keeping the entire thing “in-house” under the military.

And while I don’t think having the people get dumped into the black-hole of a military justice system is good - on the other hand we had that one terrorist held in Guantanamo that they wanted (or maybe they did?) tried in a public court in New York City. Although that guy was captured out of our country I believe.

In the article the ACLU lawyer says something like “the Constitution applies to ALL people in the U.S. - not just its citizens.” I’’ll show my ignorance and ask if that is true? I’m guessing that in a lot of cases it is such as free speech, search and seizure, etc. But they obviously shouldn’t vote, etc.


20 posted on 12/06/2012 1:34:24 PM PST by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: ExCTCitizen
we need a revolt soon!!

I'm pretty revolting now, just ask anyone.

/johnny

21 posted on 12/06/2012 1:38:05 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: DManA

“Will American boys and girls open fire on their own people?”

If so then we’ll fire right back at them. And then we’ll hunt down the people who gave them their orders and deal with them accordingly.

“Treat me fair and I’ll treat you better. Treat me bad and I’ll treat you worse.”


22 posted on 12/06/2012 1:45:29 PM PST by MeganC (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: kosciusko51

My man Allen West voted FOR this nazi germany style NDAA bill!! I STILL can’t believe it. What the hell was he thinking?! He HAS to walk his ‘aye’ vote back.


23 posted on 12/06/2012 2:12:16 PM PST by bobby.223 (Retired up in the snowy mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a GREAT life!)
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To: 21twelve

“So it is NOT to detain citizens.”

Now prove that you’re a citizen.


24 posted on 12/06/2012 2:13:07 PM PST by MeganC (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: kosciusko51

And it was not just West that voted ‘aye’ on the original NDAA bill also. One heck of a lot of ‘our side’ voted for it also.


25 posted on 12/06/2012 2:16:51 PM PST by bobby.223 (Retired up in the snowy mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a GREAT life!)
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To: MeganC

“Now prove that you’re a citizen.”

“But, but - I forgot my wallet in my other jacket...” as I was dragged across the gravel to the waiting box car.


26 posted on 12/06/2012 2:28:39 PM PST by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: lowbridge

I guess they know what’s coming. They are smarter than they look.

Good luck getting our boys and girls to turn on us. They were not raised to hurt or kill their own kind.

More than likely the big “O” will try to set his new class of 2013 brownshirts loose on the public. Thats going to work for about an hour.


27 posted on 12/06/2012 2:30:59 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Colorado Cowgirl
Looks like the feds might end up on the short end of the stick this time around, with another United States Citizens VS the feral gummint war. The feral gummint won the first one -- called the Civil War because they were too ashamed to take the blame for calling it what it was, an uncivil war.

It's not going to be pretty. Nothing can be as bloody as a national feud. And nothing will be so complete as the rooting out of every single person who thinks they can escape the true justice of what the U.S. Constitution terms, capital "C", "Citizens."

Just ask the Gods of the Copybook Heading, who originally penned the phrase, "What goes around, comes around."

28 posted on 12/06/2012 3:03:48 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: Georgia Girl 2

“More than likely the big “O” will try to set his new class of 2013 brownshirts loose on the public. Thats going to work for about an hour.”

Yep, the Rambo forecasters at the National Weather Service will jump out from behind their desks and shoot cop-killer bullets out their arses and hit every target at 500 meters or better.

They’ll be followed by the Fat Welfare Momma Brigade who will bomb survivors with jumbo bags of chips bought as long as their EBT cards work.


29 posted on 12/06/2012 3:39:58 PM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: lowbridge

This article has some problems, especially in not clarifying the difference between “detention”, and “indictment, arrest, and trial”. With detention, you are *not* under arrest, so you do not get Mirandized, nor can you invoke habeus corpus, not can you get all the other protections afforded those who are IAT’ed.


30 posted on 12/06/2012 3:51:33 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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To: lowbridge

The founding fathers went to great pains to protect against such a thing. This bozo is trying to disassemble everything they did. There should be no standing army in this country. I’m so glad I didn’t vote for this clown or any democrats lately. They are destroying everything!


31 posted on 12/06/2012 5:32:27 PM PST by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: Georgia Girl 2
"More than likely the big “O” will try to set his new class of 2013 brownshirts loose on the public."

"Mama, don't let your baby grow up to be a brownshirt."

32 posted on 12/06/2012 9:41:20 PM PST by Eastbound
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