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(Howard) Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"
http://www.realclearpolitics.com ^ | december 6, 2012

Posted on 12/06/2012 4:25:55 PM PST by lowbridge

HOWARD DEAN: The only problem is -- and this is initially going to seem like heresy from a progressive is -- the truth is everybody needs to pay more taxes, not just the rich. And it's a good start. But we're not going to get out of this deficit problem unless we raise taxes across the board, to go back to what Bill Clinton had and his taxes. And if we don't do that, the problem is the pressure is going to be on spending even more.

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"this is initially going to seem like heresy from a progressive is -- the truth is everybody needs to pay more taxes, not just the rich"

Heresy from a progressive usnt making everybody pay more taxes. The heresy is openly telling the truth about making everybody pay more taxes.

1 posted on 12/06/2012 4:26:00 PM PST by lowbridge
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To: lowbridge

No, Howard, the truth is the government needs to stop spending.


2 posted on 12/06/2012 4:28:58 PM PST by Arm_Bears (The MSM lies about conservatives; and it lies about liberals.)
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To: lowbridge

Well, that didn’t take long, did it? BTT.


3 posted on 12/06/2012 4:29:26 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: lowbridge

Earth to Deaner....the Federal Gov’mt has a terminal SPENDING problem...that will go on REGARDLESS of the levels and amounts of taxation. There will NEVER BE ENOUGH “REVENUE” to satisfy the beast.

Makes the alternative pretty stark when you see it from that perspectve


4 posted on 12/06/2012 4:31:18 PM PST by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: lowbridge

Sadly, if they had raised EVERYBODY’S taxes before November 6th, Barry Benghazi would be looking for some new digs in Hawaii rather than going there to play golf, lay around on his ass on the beach and think about new ways of spending OUR money.


5 posted on 12/06/2012 4:33:55 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Don't tax me bro! Tax that guy over there!)
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To: lowbridge

Guess what, Howard? Everyone WILL be paying more taxes, thanks to Obamacare.


6 posted on 12/06/2012 4:34:52 PM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: lowbridge

The truth is........is all those that do not think that they are paying enough taxes, ought to ante up. I am sure that the treasury will accept some more bucks.

Putting their money where their mouth is, is something that liberals/socialists and commies will not do.

They want to put OUR money where their mouth is.

bobo


7 posted on 12/06/2012 4:36:06 PM PST by bobo1
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To: lowbridge

This is why the Republicans cannot bargain with the Democrats. They do not care if they go off the cliff because they will get exactly what they want, everyone’s taxes to go up, and massive defense cuts. And in the end the Republicans will get the blame for the increase in taxes on middle-class.

The Republicans can only get in front of this if they can convince the uninformed voters that Obama is the one that is driving this car. They must articulate that the Republicans have offered plans that would keep the middle-class tax cuts in effect. They must make it very clear and very loud that the Obama administration and the Democratic legislature has not passed the budget in four years. The Obama plan does not exist except in the mind of Obama, it can’t be criticized because nobody can see it. Until Obama can present a plan that can be scored independently, the can be no negotiations.


8 posted on 12/06/2012 4:39:28 PM PST by Taxbilly
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To: Arm_Bears

Arm_Bears~:” No, Howard, the truth is the government needs to stop spending.”

Howard , if i have to pay more taxes , it means I have to budget my money.
Is it too much to ask for the FED to go on a budget ?
When was the last budget proposed by the President ?
Oh yeah , it got NO democrat votes , and Reid won’t even bring up Obama’s proposed budget for a vote !
No budget in 4 years..??
And now you want more money —> stop the spending, idiot ! I had to do it , now it’s your turn !!


9 posted on 12/06/2012 4:40:45 PM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt (When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes mandatory- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: lowbridge

I have a great idea-anyone who voted for Obama should pay a 50% tax rate including quite a few Hollywood actors/actresses, people who can work but get food stamps & unemployment, young adults who don’t know better or who have been brainwashed & all the Democrates in the House, Senate & President. They are the ones who voted for a tax rate & the rest of us didn’t & can’t afford an increase in taxes.


10 posted on 12/06/2012 4:42:19 PM PST by jrcats (Going Galt!)
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To: lowbridge
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11 posted on 12/06/2012 4:42:29 PM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: lowbridge

Second time this week I agree with Dean.... if Americans want “free stuff” then America should pay for it.... not just the rich.


12 posted on 12/06/2012 4:44:18 PM PST by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: lowbridge

More taxes, more money. More money, more spending. More spending, more debt. More debt, more taxes. More taxes, more money & on & on & on....


13 posted on 12/06/2012 4:44:33 PM PST by MCF
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To: lowbridge

Gotta give Howie props for at least being honest.

There’s no way that soaking the $250,000 crowd and above is even going to put a dent into the deficits. And Liberals/Progressives/Socialists aren’t willing to cut back on government spending.

So the only thing left to really push down the deficit is to dig deeper down the income scale. Which is exactly where Liberals/Progressives/Socialists are really planning on going.

Dean also deserves props for being honest on ObamaCare: he agrees that it’s a poison pill that’s going to collapse the current health care system. Which to him is a good thing because it’ll lead to the adoption of single-payer.


14 posted on 12/06/2012 4:48:22 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: Arm_Bears
No, Howard, the truth is the government needs to stop spending.

Exactly. The federal government takes in what, about 3 trillion dollars a year? If it stopped all the BS - like the unconstitutional entitlement spending and just got back to what it is Constitutionally authorized (and supposedly limited) to doing... They would have a surplus every year and we could pay off the debt inside of a decade or less.

15 posted on 12/06/2012 4:51:37 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: lowbridge

well at least Dean is honest. we all know they need more money than can be provided by the top 2%. That’s why Obama wants the Bush tax cuts to expire - all of them - and then will agree to extending them for the 98% but only if he gets more spending, stimulus and other crap they want


16 posted on 12/06/2012 4:51:51 PM PST by plain talk
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To: lowbridge

The socialist wealth redistributors from both parties already take far too much from the economy to spend on their foolish and wasteful programs.

The proof is in the ongoing collapse of the private sector of the economy and the staggering spending, which can only be paid back by government created runaway inflation of the dollar.


17 posted on 12/06/2012 4:52:40 PM PST by Iron Munro (Big Moo & Bronco 'Bama = Robbing From The Hood and Boy Blunder)
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To: lowbridge

Even if we don’t cut spending, we’re all going to have to pay more taxes later in this decade just to cover the interest expense on our massive federal debt accumulated through spending that has already occurred and can’t be revoked. So for the first time in my memory, I agree with Howard Dean on something. Howard, you’re right about this. There’s no way out of higher taxes later in this decade either through visible taxes or through inflation. It’s a done deal. The die is cast. We can’t unring that debt bell. The first tax increase should be to limit total itemized deductions (other than charitable contributions) to $100K. At this time, the federal government can’t afford to be subsidizing $4 million mortgages on luxury homes with $200,000 mortgage interest deductions.


18 posted on 12/06/2012 5:01:06 PM PST by socialism_stinX (The national government is always the most dangerous organization in every country.)
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To: lowbridge

Not defending Howard Dean here, but he did say we also need massive cuts and thinks we should balance the budget right away - I don’t agree with the increase on taxes part.

IMO, the Republicans should pass one bill that entends the Bush tax rates for everyone except for the top rate and make them PERMANENT and tie this bill to eliminating the AMT or raising it to inflation adjusted rates from the past 30 or 40 years.

Then pass a second bill that extends the Bush tax cut for the upper income taxpayers - let the Dems and 0bama shoot this bill down, so they own the tax raises on the “wealthy” & small businesses.
Athough the higher rate will affect me personally, the permanent tax rates will help future generations including my children.

Then use the debt ceiling debate to cut spending, threaten to shut down the government by not raising the debt celing if there are no spending cuts.


19 posted on 12/06/2012 5:04:15 PM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: lowbridge

What the Democrats want is to confiscate all the money earned and then make you apply for a refund, of sorts. Of course you’ll have to prove your needs just in reverse of deductions as it is now.


20 posted on 12/06/2012 5:04:35 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: lowbridge

People DO pay more taxes already...In NYS, gas is taxed on the dollar. So part of the paying “twice as much” for gas since Obama took office is the “double take” by my state.


21 posted on 12/06/2012 5:04:54 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: socialism_stinX

Correction to post 18—that should read:

Even if we cut spending, we’re all going to have to pay more taxes later in this decade just to cover the interest expense on our massive federal debt accumulated through spending that has already occurred and can’t be revoked.


22 posted on 12/06/2012 5:07:46 PM PST by socialism_stinX (The national government is always the most dangerous organization in every country.)
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To: lowbridge
And if we don't do that, the problem is the pressure is going to be on spending even more.

What!? Give us more tax money or we'll be forced to spend even more? Is that what he's saying?

23 posted on 12/06/2012 5:10:29 PM PST by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Exactly which is the reason why they should have let the taxes expire two years ago in 2010. However, The Republicans are truly the Stupid Party and consistently get out maneuvered by people with IQ’s below the level of room temperature.
24 posted on 12/06/2012 5:11:37 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Arm_Bears
No, Howard, the truth is the government needs to stop spending.

Except America didn't vote for spending cuts. America voted for European-style social welfare. This doesn't come cheap and the "rich" alone won' be able to pay for it, even if they were taxed to the last penny. Not even close.

Pay it America! You asked for it!

25 posted on 12/06/2012 5:12:29 PM PST by Drew68
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To: lowbridge

The well-to-do are paying enough. But in the spirit of fairness everyone with any income should pay taxes. Those who receive unemployment compensation or any of the government programs which provide cash to the low income. should pay some taxes - at least 5%. If that free money was taxed plus reduce expenditures, things would look different.


26 posted on 12/06/2012 5:26:07 PM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: lowbridge

When it came time to pay his own property taxes in Marxist redoubt Burlington, Vermont, the Screamer came up short, claiming his check got lost in the mail. Then, of course, he had to holler “Do you know who I am?” when city hall added penalty and interest to the amount due. He refused to pay the penalty and interest. How is that for a Jackass double standard? “It’s good for thee but not for me.”


27 posted on 12/06/2012 5:50:00 PM PST by Combat_Liberalism
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To: lowbridge

I wish these people would die and soon.


28 posted on 12/06/2012 6:03:15 PM PST by angcat
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To: Drew68

We can only wish to get to be a European social welfare state. The United States is way beyond Europe in this idiocy. You see in Europe the freebies are not so free. The layabout class is actually expected to pay taxes for their free stuff. In the the good old USA the free stuff is free. The layabout class pays nothing, just takes with both hands. The producers in Europe and the US pay about the same in taxes today, and are government is about to take more. The truth is America voted for a European-style welfare state expecting someone else to pay for it.


29 posted on 12/06/2012 6:25:16 PM PST by gusty
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To: 11th Commandment

“Second time this week I agree with Dean.... if Americans want “free stuff” then America should pay for it.... not just the rich.”

Howard Dean is a well disliked man. He is an open communist. However, I never known of him to have an intergrity problem. Even with his personal commusist beliefs, he was not to afraid to admit them, or pretend they where something other than communist. That is the same about this “fiscal cliff” thing. He is honest about his personal solution to it. He will rachet up all taxes across the board. He isn’t pretending that the taxes will affect someone else and not yearself. I don’t think he is right. However, what he is saying is probably what 100% of all the Democrats really think.


30 posted on 12/06/2012 6:28:04 PM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: lowbridge

Would someone please shoot Howard in the vocal chords.


31 posted on 12/06/2012 6:45:16 PM PST by Focault's Pendulum
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To: tanknetter
he agrees that it’s a poison pill that’s going to collapse the current health care system. Which to him is a good thing because it’ll lead to the adoption of single-payer.

I recall Obama stating this very tactic about six or seven years ago in some union brothel. That obamacare is a transitional patchwork on the way to single payer tyranny is a self evident truth.

32 posted on 12/06/2012 6:52:43 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: 11th Commandment
First cognizent moment in.............FOREVER for Dean
33 posted on 12/06/2012 7:31:44 PM PST by DAC21
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To: lowbridge

It’s on it’s way ping


34 posted on 12/06/2012 8:41:58 PM PST by MercedesB
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To: socialism_stinX

Cut taxes, and then cut some more!

http://capitalgainsandgames.com/blog/bruce-bartlett/1701/jude-wanniski-taxes-and-two-santa-theory


35 posted on 12/06/2012 11:50:29 PM PST by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: elpadre

The Unemployment Compensation my Wife receives is counted as Taxable Income. It ends on December 31st, so at least we won’t have to pay the higher 2013 Obama Tax Rates on it.

My Wife ended up being a 26 Weeker, not a 99 Weeker. Just found out that the Federal Extension is over in CA for 400,000 people, my Wife being one of them. Haven’t heard much about that in the news, wonder why? I’m sure the story will break so the Republicans will be blamed for not spending more money, that we don’t have, like Obama wants.

Welfare, EBT Food Stamps, Subsidized Section 8 Housing Grants and Medical Coverage are not Taxable.
Perhaps they should be, but it will never happen.


36 posted on 12/07/2012 12:17:15 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (As they say in China, erections have consequences...)
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To: Kickass Conservative

The hidden factor in all the discussions about money needs skirts or intentionally ignores that the Nation has been burdened with so many/too many people who have become beneficiaries of the must do the feely- goody thing even if all these persons came here just for that. The whole base of recipients need to be exposed and why the base is what it is. There is only so much resources/earnings/money that can be available for all the welfare programs.If they haven’t earned it they don’t get it.


37 posted on 12/07/2012 12:39:15 AM PST by noinfringers2
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To: lowbridge

He’s almost right - the bottom 40% needs to pay some taxes to have real skin in the game and to maybe get a better understanding of why the “liberal” principles are the problem vs. the cure.


38 posted on 12/07/2012 2:19:38 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: lowbridge
But we're not going to get out of this deficit problem unless we raise taxes across the board"

ARGH! This meme is beyond ANY conclusion a rational person would come to.

It's like a morbidly obese person saying "I'm fat, so I need more food!"

39 posted on 12/07/2012 4:21:15 AM PST by MamaTexan (It is impossible to follow the Original Intent of the Constitution and NOT acknowledge secession)
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To: Arm_Bears
No, Howard, the truth is the government needs to stop spending.

While I agree with you, how will our elected officials then be able to line their AND their friends filthy pockets with our money?

Call me cynical but I'd be happy to retract that statement if someone could name just ONE elected official that hasn't enriched himself beyond his fat paycheck.

Reminds me of Lot arguing with God over how many righteous lived in Sodom!

40 posted on 12/07/2012 5:38:25 AM PST by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: lowbridge
But, but, but, didn't Barack HUSSEIN Obama promise not to raise taxes on the middle class? Wait until everyone finds out what happens to them with Obamacare.

There is no such thing as an honest Democrat and they are all economic illiterates.

41 posted on 12/07/2012 5:41:37 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Nonsense. There is NOTHING Obama would do that would have stopped the idiots that voted for him. We have exactly the government the people want.


42 posted on 12/07/2012 5:44:47 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: tanknetter
So the only thing left to really push down the deficit is to dig deeper down the income scale. Which is exactly where Liberals/Progressives/Socialists are really planning on going.

Not true. What we really need is more taxpayers, not more taxes. We can get it through economic growth but liberal government policies are preventing economic growth. The story is the lack of job creation.

43 posted on 12/07/2012 5:47:44 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: lowbridge
Taxes to the federal government are the single largest expense I incur. Combined income and payroll taxes (just my 'contribution', not my employer's) cost me more than my house, including the extra amount that I pay each month on a 15-year mortgage. It is larger than my food bill. Larger than my charitable contributions, which, if Dean is like most liberals, are far higher, percentage-wise, than his. Larger than the cost of my cars, which are paid for and all have over 100k miles. My federal tax bill is larger than my utilities, my gas, and my insurance combined. The largest demand on my bank account, which in turn is the largest demand of my income, my time, my life, is tribute to the federal monster that is destroying our country.

And, you want more? Screw you. And, if we go off the cliff, I will be paying more. About 4 grand or so more. Plus, I will probably be hit with the AMT for 2012 taxes, if they don't take care of that.

Tell you what. We can go back to Clinton tax rates if we go back to Clinton spending levels. We can even index it for inflation and population growth. Deal?

44 posted on 12/07/2012 6:08:02 AM PST by tnlibertarian
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To: New Jersey Realist

This is exactly why 0bama got elected - because of the implied promise of free stuff.


45 posted on 12/07/2012 6:10:06 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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