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Michigan Republicans draw union ire with sudden votes on right-to-work legislation
Fox News ^ | December 7, 2012 at 1:00 am | By Karen Bouffard and Chad Livengood

Posted on 12/07/2012 6:33:49 AM PST by Red Badger

Michigan Republicans touched off a firestorm Thursday with an abrupt push to pass right-to-work legislation, in what would be a blow to organized labor in the home of the U.S. auto industry.

Right-to-work legislation prohibits unions from forcing workers to pay union dues. Unions and their Democratic allies adamantly oppose these laws -- but with little warning, Michigan Republicans on Thursday laid the groundwork to, in a matter of days, make their state the 24th with right-to-work legislation.

"This is all about taking care of the hard-working workers in Michigan, being pro-worker and giving them freedom to make choices," Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder said. "The goal isn't to divide Michigan, it is to bring Michigan together."

The votes Thursday, though, drew hundreds of union-tied protesters to the capital, some of whom were pepper-sprayed by police when they tried to storm the Senate chamber.

Just hours after the bills were introduced, both Republican-controlled chambers approved measures prohibiting private unions from requiring dues. The Senate quickly followed by voting to impose the same requirement on most public unions.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: labor; seiu; teamsters; uaw
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Dec. 6, 2012: State Police block protesters outside the Senate chamber at the State Capitol Building in downtown Lansing, Mich. (AP/The State Journal)

1 posted on 12/07/2012 6:33:57 AM PST by Red Badger
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To: Red Badger

Those two union guys are exactly the kind of workers I’d want to hire. /sarc


2 posted on 12/07/2012 6:35:35 AM PST by ladyjane (For the first time in my life I am not proud of my country.)
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To: Red Badger

Michigan requires five days to pass before the MI house and senate can reconcile and finally pass the bills (ie, next Tuesday). Expect an ugly five days with lots of arm twisting to try to prevent final passage.


3 posted on 12/07/2012 6:36:30 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Red Badger

Republicans won...get over it.


4 posted on 12/07/2012 6:36:52 AM PST by The Louiswu (it's all downhilll from here!!!)
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To: Red Badger

I’m glad someone finally said “enough”! Too bad congress doesn’t have even half the backbone!


5 posted on 12/07/2012 6:37:43 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (America 2012 - What Would Our Forefathers Do?)
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To: ladyjane

They look like they’re from Dearborn, if you know what I mean.


6 posted on 12/07/2012 6:49:40 AM PST by Adams (Fight on!)
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To: Red Badger

Good, get it through before the unions could organize their thugs. They always look the same. I wonder if any of them even own a razor (including the women).


7 posted on 12/07/2012 6:50:25 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: Red Badger

Union thugs lose ,,, Na ,, Na ,, Na,, Na ,, Hey ,, Hey ,, hey ,,, goodbye . . .


8 posted on 12/07/2012 6:51:18 AM PST by Lionheartusa1 (-: Socialism is the equal distribution of misery :-)
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To: Red Badger; cripplecreek

So, the unions are taking a hard stand against allowing people to chose their associations. I thought that the left was pro-choice. Their hard stance against choice is further proof that they are not for choice, instead they are pro-murder, period!


9 posted on 12/07/2012 6:55:48 AM PST by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Adams

You mean the they are WORTHLESS MOSLEMS!


10 posted on 12/07/2012 6:58:21 AM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Lionheartusa1

Someone is going to end up dead over this. The unions will not take this gently. Not in Michigan,


11 posted on 12/07/2012 6:58:34 AM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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To: Springman; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; madison10; ...
The unions have virtually no chance of winning this one and they know it. I'm rather astounded at the masterful performance of our republicans for once.

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Weekly/biweekly Michigan legislative activism thread

Michigan Action Alert on Right To Work
12 posted on 12/07/2012 6:59:20 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: CSM
The unions did this to themselves. After both the big union proposals were crushed in the election, they immediately started harassing legislators to oppose RTW when nobody was even talking about it. Also there's a considerable number of conservative union conscripts these days who want out. Plus there are pro union RTW supporters who recognize that their unions have become nothing more than political organizations.

(pro union)The Voices of Right-to-Work
13 posted on 12/07/2012 7:05:48 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: MestaMachine

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Site=C4&Date=20121206&Category=NEWS&ArtNo=212060806&Ref=PH

Just look at these pics. Can’t find video.


14 posted on 12/07/2012 7:07:31 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: cripplecreek

Job security comes from a profitable employer. A union never improves the bottom line. Way to go Michigan for giving your workers a choice!


15 posted on 12/07/2012 7:15:18 AM PST by shove_it (the 0bama regime are the people Huxley, Orwell and Rand warned us about)
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To: MestaMachine

Several videos here

http://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/18024


16 posted on 12/07/2012 7:20:40 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: ilovesarah2012
Nice of the SEIU to put Obama right on their shirt to show where their loyalties lie.

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17 posted on 12/07/2012 7:23:34 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Red Badger
"a blow to organized labor in the home of the U.S. auto industry."

The problem, of course, is that this home, along with most of the other homes in Michigan, is underwater. The problem is that labor expenses in Michigan are so high, BECAUSE of the labor policies there, that people (like me) are abandoning the state. This law is one glimmer of hope that this problem can be reversed.

18 posted on 12/07/2012 7:24:50 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: Red Badger

“”Michigan Republicans draw union ire””

They do that just by existing, why is today any different.


19 posted on 12/07/2012 7:25:41 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: cripplecreek

Was there any doubt?


20 posted on 12/07/2012 7:27:05 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: Red Badger

This story has made my day!!

It has all the elements I would NEVER expect from Republicans nowadays.

1.) Actually using the leverage they have to pass
conservative measures.

2.) Cleverness and surprise in planning.

3.) The plan is well executed with some unapologetic head
knocking mixed in.

Seriously I still can’t believe these are Republicans doing this. Awesome!!

Bravo Governor Snyder, Lt. Gov. Calley and all Republicans in the legislature!!


21 posted on 12/07/2012 7:28:32 AM PST by ctpsb (Thanks.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

My cousin is an up and coming union leader. He was posting pics of himself in his cute little yellow vest in Lansing yesterday.

He’s in complete denial. He believes Obama is coming to Michigan to seize control and issue a Royal decree. I just tell him that Obama doesn’t need him anymore.


22 posted on 12/07/2012 7:32:20 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: MestaMachine

Time to fully enforce the Never Go South of Birch Run Rule for those of us who live in the northern nether regions.


23 posted on 12/07/2012 7:33:41 AM PST by Mrs. P (Figures can lie, and liars can figure.)
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To: Red Badger

The faculty at the college in Maine where I teach is represented by the Maine State Employees Association which is part of the SEIU. At least some of them are flying to Michigan for the week to try to prevent the law from coming into effect.

(I am president of the faculty union and about 1/2of our members are conservatives-so it has been a real treat dealing with the SEIU.) Our new field rep came from Wisconsin!!


24 posted on 12/07/2012 7:34:29 AM PST by Maine Mariner
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To: cripplecreek

I believe the royal decree part.


25 posted on 12/07/2012 7:35:33 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: ctpsb

The Michigan legislature has actually been doing a lot of good things quietly (as well as some typical crap)

Senate Bill 1276, Restrict setting aside state land for “biological diversity”: Passed 26 to 11 in the Senate
To prohibit the Department of Natural Resources from designating an area of land specifically for the purpose of achieving “biological diversity.”

Senate Bill 1238, Revise state land acquisition procedures: Passed 26 to 11 in the Senate
To revise the procedures and criteria for the acquisition by the state of property paid for with Natural Resources Trust Fund money. Among other things, the bill would impose term limits on members of the NRTC board, require more transparency in its property selection process, and ban sales if the seller was harassed, intimidated, or coerced by the Department of Natural Resources, a local government, or a “qualified” conservation organization.

Senate Bill 1335, Increase threshold to impose new government workplace safety rules: Passed 25 to 12 in the Senate
To require the Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs to not just assert that there is a “clear and convincing need” to impose on employers a new occupational health and safety regulation that exceeds federal standards, but to actually provide a statement of the specific facts used to support the assertion, and show the rule was requested by a broad consensus of employers and employees in an affected industry.

2012 House Bill 5785: Ban “Agenda 21” implementation.

Introduced by Rep. Greg MacMaster (R) on July 18, 2012, to prohibit any Michigan governmental entity from adopting or implementing policy recommendations originating in or traceable to the United Nations “Agenda 21” or any other international laws that infringe or restrict private property rights without due process. Also, to prohibit governments from entering into a contract for services with, paying any money to, or receiving money from a nongovernmental or intergovernmental organizations enlisted to assist in implementing “Agenda 21”.

Senate Bill 1021, Increase state property tax payments to locals: Passed 25 to 13 in the Senate To increase from $2 per acre to $4 per acre the amount the state pays to local governments as “payment in lieu of (property) taxes” (PILT) on state-owned land in their jurisdictions, and index the amount to inflation going forward.


26 posted on 12/07/2012 7:38:39 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Red Badger

As a former Michigan resident, color me stunned.

(can’t really call myself a Michigander being originally from that “O” place to the south...)


27 posted on 12/07/2012 7:39:25 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: ilovesarah2012
Look at the two clowns trying to stare down the Cops. Guaranteed they have never worked a day in their lives, coddled by their parents, Brain washed by their Professors to be the Good little Commie agitators
28 posted on 12/07/2012 7:40:30 AM PST by DAC21
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To: cripplecreek

So what exactly is the unions’ “front” argument against allowing people the right to choose whether they join a union or not instead of being forced to?


29 posted on 12/07/2012 7:43:48 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

The unions don’t really have an argument other than the lie that it outlaws unions. If anyone tries to tell them that they just start the childish chanting “Hey Ho, right to work has got to go”.

Anything to keep people from hearing the truth.


30 posted on 12/07/2012 7:49:52 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

Reminds me of a feminist/leftist who slipped and told the truth:

“Women should not be allowed the choice to stay at home with their kids precisely because so many would choose to do so.”


31 posted on 12/07/2012 8:04:18 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: cripplecreek

Good points.

I guess it’s that this was a hot button, high profile issue that Republicans usually reflexively shy away from so it’s great to see this, especially after all the other measures they’ve taken that you have mentioned.


32 posted on 12/07/2012 8:05:22 AM PST by ctpsb (Thanks.)
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To: Red Badger

If labor unions are so wonderful for their members, why should the union bosses fear the loss of coercion so much? Why can’t they trust that potential members will see the value of the union and voluntarily pay dues in exchange for the benefits they receive?


33 posted on 12/07/2012 8:15:27 AM PST by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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To: kevkrom

Labor unions have long since outlived there usefulness. In the beginning they were necessary to actually redress grievances that the workers were being exploited and unfairly treated, unsafe working conditions, etc. Those have all been taken care of with laws and regulations that the unions themselves helped put in place.

So now, with no actual problems to solve they have to create them. They have devolved from a honorable institution to a criminal one. Corruption is rampant and their political backers, or should I say political puppets, look the other way. It really is and incestuous relationship they have with the Democrats and Republicans. The unions have become that which they were trying to defeat in the first place...........


34 posted on 12/07/2012 8:25:15 AM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Red Badger

That may be the polite thing to say, but I don’t think unions have ever been the noble defender of the downtrodden worker. From day 1 - or close to it - they were just as abusive and manipulative as the corporate bosses they were invented to fight.

Not to say that the ability to strike or collectively bargain is necessarily a bad thing, but a union is just a “my bully vs. your bully” situation. And bullies are often good at finding new targets to pick on when the old ones go away...


35 posted on 12/07/2012 8:30:42 AM PST by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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To: kevkrom

It’s just like the IRA and the UVF in northern Ireland. They have devolved into criminal enterprises exactly like the Mafia, requiring businesses to pay both sides an extortion fee just for being allowed to do business......


36 posted on 12/07/2012 8:40:06 AM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: MrB

“So what exactly is the unions’ “front” argument against allowing people the right to choose whether they join a union or not instead of being forced to?”

It goes like this: “If you don’t do what we want, we will kick down doors, beat you up, and burn stuff that you like.”


37 posted on 12/07/2012 8:42:41 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Abathar; Red Badger
Republicans Draw Union Ire

A standing head, as they used say in the newspaper biz.

38 posted on 12/07/2012 9:12:52 AM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: Red Badger; ladyjane; SunkenCiv; cripplecreek; Darren McCarty; grellis; jenk; PGalt; ...
Does Michigan have a provision for recall elections for governor and state legislators? If so, expect another Wisconsin.

In the meantime, congrats to Governor Snyder, whom many here had dismissed as a RINO.

Now that same Michigan legislature - and other GOP legislatures around the country - should reform their state election law to clamp down on fraud and cheating. It's not only the right thing to do, but the only thing to do, because if they neglect election fraud problem, the unions will find a way to fix the next election to put their their 'Rat pals in their seats.

39 posted on 12/07/2012 9:35:45 AM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93
Does Michigan have a provision for recall elections for governor and state legislators? If so, expect another Wisconsin.

They already tried and it was dropped the day after it failed in Wisconsin.

In the meantime, congrats to Governor Snyder, whom many here had dismissed as a RINO.

Trust me, he's still a RINO unless you think subsidies for green energy and high speed rail are good things.

As far as election laws go, ours are among the toughest in the nation. At least we don't give democrats weeks to cheat and despite the FR fantasy, we do have a pretty decent voter ID law.
40 posted on 12/07/2012 9:45:09 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: justiceseeker93; All

Here is who is at fault. They cannot even blame the white folks cause, there aren’t any.

Elected Officials

Mayor Dave Bing
Council President Charles Pugh
Council President Pro Tem Gary Brown
Councilwoman Saunteel Jenkins
Councilman Kenneth V. Cockrel
Councilwoman Brenda Jones
Councilman Andre Spivey
Councilman James Tate
Councilman Kwame Kenyatta
Councilwoman JoAnn Watson
City Clerk Janice Winfrey


41 posted on 12/07/2012 9:52:58 AM PST by edcoil (It is not over until I win.)
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To: Red Badger

I wonder how long before the unions become “racists”? Let me explain. Obama is going to open the flood gates to millions of illegals who will now be able to compete for those jobs they previously could not. Will all you progressives now be against opening the border?

Yes, this would have happened to some extent without RTW but now unions are cannot prohibit applicants out.


42 posted on 12/07/2012 10:28:01 AM PST by School of Rational Thought (Fun for women ages 21 through 35)
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To: Red Badger

Imagine having to be along side someone who is not paying their fair share in dues and still is enjoying all the same benefits.

It would be like taxes - someone paying more and a greater share of their income while someone else not paying as much or at all enjoying the benefits.

Progressives have a funny religion.


43 posted on 12/07/2012 10:28:46 AM PST by School of Rational Thought (Fun for women ages 21 through 35)
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To: Red Badger

If one does not want to work in an open shop, then find another job in a closed one.


44 posted on 12/07/2012 10:29:14 AM PST by School of Rational Thought (Fun for women ages 21 through 35)
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To: Red Badger

Forcing someone to pay to work. Isn’t that what Kwame Kilpatrick was doing?


45 posted on 12/07/2012 10:30:46 AM PST by School of Rational Thought (Fun for women ages 21 through 35)
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To: cripplecreek
My cousin is an up and coming union leader. He was posting pics of himself in his cute little yellow vest in Lansing yesterday. He’s in complete denial. He believes Obama is coming to Michigan to seize control and issue a Royal decree. I just tell him that Obama doesn’t need him anymore.

What is stop the savior king from an executive order declaring all companies doing business with his government must be union shops? The worker does not have to join the union but that does not mean the worker has to be employed?

46 posted on 12/07/2012 11:12:46 AM PST by School of Rational Thought (Fun for women ages 21 through 35)
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To: edcoil; All
You list the elected city officials of Detroit. Granted, they are the last in a long chain of Left-leaning 'Rats responsible for Detroit's 50+ years of decline, ending in urban rot and fiscal insolvency.

I suppose that nothing short of some form of bankruptcy can improve Detroit's city government, so how does the dire Detroit financial outlook relate the state right-to-work legislation which is the subject of this thread?

47 posted on 12/07/2012 12:34:26 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

I think it’s done and needs to be plowed over cause they run the place and have, for over 20 years like an African nation. A total failure. But at the risk of sounding racist which I am not, in the 5,000 years of human history, you cannot pinpoint a country run by blacks anyone would ever want to live.


48 posted on 12/07/2012 2:25:26 PM PST by edcoil (It is not over until I win.)
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To: justiceseeker93

Well put. Snyder’s bound to be governing from the middle, because the electorate is profoundly divided.

Too bad Zero doesn’t act that way as President.


49 posted on 12/07/2012 9:30:06 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: justiceseeker93

Well put. Snyder’s bound to be governing from the middle, because the electorate is profoundly divided.

Too bad Zero doesn’t act that way as President.


50 posted on 12/07/2012 9:40:42 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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