Skip to comments.Rand Paul Joins the Let Democrats Raise Taxes and Own It Crowd
Posted on 12/07/2012 11:38:31 AM PST by Kaslin
Rand Paul on the Kudlow Report, CNBC, last night. "What do you think of Boehner's idea, cap deductions, get $800 billion in revenues. Make any sense to you?"
PAUL: Why don't we let the Democrats pass whatever they want. If they are the party of higher taxes, all the Republicans in the House vote present and let the Democrats raise taxes as high as they want to raise 'em. Let Democrats in the Senate raise taxes. Let the president sign it, and then they can own a tax increase, and when the economy stalls, when the economy sputters, when people lose their jobs, they know which party to blame, the party of high taxes.
RUSH: Here we go again, except the problem is the economy has stalled, it is sputtering, and Obama was reelected. People have lost their jobs in record numbers, and Obama was reelected. And who says the Republicans are not gonna get the blame? Who says people, low-information voters are gonna be blaming the Democrats for this? January 1st, Obama's New Year's message to the country is, "Hey, your tax increases are the Republicans' fault. I tried." Here's where you remember Rand Paul.
PAUL: Yes, I don't think we have to in the Senate. In the House they have to because the Democrats don't have a majority. In the Senate, I'm happy not to filibuster it, and I will announce tonight on your show that I will work with Harry Reid to let him pass his big old tax hike with a simple majority, if that's what Harry Reid wants because then they will be the party of high taxes, and they can own it.
RUSH: That's the question. If these rates go up on January 1st, if there's not a single Republican vote for it, will the Democrats get blamed? Would somebody explain to me how that's gonna work? When Obama has escaped blame for everything up 'til now? How's it automatically gonna be that he's gonna get blamed for it? It's not likely, I don't think.
The sooner America becomes like Greece the better, and blaming the other party won't matter.
Just as I proposed:
Liberal Onslaught Empowered By Republican Timidity
Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:28:16 PM · 10 of 17
Uncle Miltie to NKP_Vet
Put up a bill that repeals all the Bush Tax Cuts. Have all the Republicans vote against it.
Put up a bill that makes all the Bush Tax Cuts Permanent. Have all the Republicans vote fore it.
Put up a bill that repeals the Bush Tax Cuts on the top 50% of taxpayers. Have all the Republicans abstain.
Put up a bill that repeals the Bush Tax Cuts on the top 25% of taxpayers. Have all the Republican abstain.
Keep going until a bill passes that is the maximum tax increase the Democrats pass by a majority of DEMOCRATS.
Then, any and all Tax Increases are Democrats fault.
I increasingly agree. The public is never going to turn on Hussein and his Democratic party while they can keep blaming Republicans. The public WANTS to like Obama. That is the real problem.
GOP used to have a line about “tax and spend” but now with Boner as leader its more like bend over and grin.
This is wrong.
It plays politics with our country and its economy. CongressCritters should vote for what’s right and what’s best for America, not just what’s best for their political aspirations or calculations. Sending America over the cliff because you think it might benefit you politically is unacceptable “representation” of the public.
And besides, the voters will see through it. Any CongressCritter who fails to vote against further tax increases at this critical juncture will get my NO vote in the next election. (Raising taxes even higher when we so desperately need a substantial tax cut is a prescription for economic disaster...). Enabling the Dems to destroy the country is not my idea of what should be in the Republican party platform.
Call me cynical, but I don’t believe there exists a way that the Gopers can play this that the media and the LIV’s won’t blame them for the disastrous consequences.
I heard a women, after the last credit downgrade, blamed the Tea Party for hindering the raising of the debt ceiling. You could tell she was black and a blind 0bama supporter, but this is what we are dealing with.
Cult of personality and we never hold them accountable, instead we run around shrieking about the cult leader, but if his cultees felt the sting his cult would shrink.
If Republicans are going to get the blame no matter what they do, then they should put a bill up to make the Bush era tax breaks permenant.
Now let the Democrats tell America why the middle class should not have a tax break.
Yes that is good. Where is their bill to make all cuts permanent? I would have thought they would have already done that but if not shame on them.
Bonier is an idiot to fight as hard as he already has. The American people by a huge margin want to “Tax The Rich”.
Also the wealthy elites voted for Obama. Really if they want to be bled dry why should it be the Repubs job to defend them?
Just like Irag some folks don’t want or deserve defending.
I agree, maybe something has changed but the Ds used to be desperate to get GOP fig leafs for everything and call it bipartisian. Let me be honest these tax hikes are straight at the government class in the blue states, in principal they are wrong but for sheer spite its almost satisfying.
The Kenyan was elected because he is a magic cult of personality type who somehow is going to save everyone’s racket on the left, magically.
The media will always blame the Right. All negative things are the fault of the Right.
Tax (revenue) bills have to originate in the House of Representatives.
The American people have voted a majority Republican delegation to the House.
Why can’t the Republicans in the House just vote out a substantial tax cut??? (which the American economy desperately needs if it is ever to reverse its downwards plunge...)
Then let the Dems (in the Senate and White House) do with it what they will....? (I bet the American public will bring so much political heat to them that Senator Reid INCREASES the tax cut! But even if that doesn’t occur, why can’t the Republicans in the House just vote out a responsible tax cut and let her fly... and we’ll see what “compromise” finally results... That’s how the Congress is supposed to work, after all. ...)
BTTT this all over the place!!!
I love this plan.
This is so wrong.
Rand Paul is placing the importance of political theater above the country.
And this is a poorly calculated gamble. It assumes that the press will be objective. It assumes that the North Dakota oil and gas boom won’t do anything. It assumes that Obama won’t manufacture a war.
Finally, by rolling over and letting the democrats have their way will change the GOP from the stupid party to the Seinfeld party...the party that’s about nothing.
It actually makes sense.
I got a better idea: how about Rand Paul and the other idiots pull their heads out of the butts and start FIGHTING for something?
Instead of surrendering, rolling over and dying for the liberal doggie biscuit, why don’t you a$$hole$ in Congress grow a pair and stand for something?
NO NEW TAXES - for ANYONE!
Once the repercussions start the media and the Dems will blame the Right for anything that will stick. They will do everything in their power to make people forget that the Repubs "gave in" and "went along with" the Dems plan.
The Repubs need a plan for what to say and do when the SHTF besides just standing around saying "I told you so".
Boehner should give 0bama a 24 hour ultimatum to get serious. When it expires and 0joker does nothing close the House session and force all the Reps to go home.
The Bush tax cuts are set to expire automatically. No bill is needed to do this. Doing nothing can backfire against the Republicans badly.
Once these cuts expire, Americans will discover almost instantly that they missed them. And when their once $1000 Child Tax Credit (welfare check) turns in to a $500 Child Tax Deduction (no welfare check) among other losses, many Americans are going to be outraged. Then the House Democrats can ride to the rescue with a tax plan of their own, one that looks awfully like the Bush tax cuts only the top 2% are not affected. This would be very popular with a majority of Americans who favor tax increases on the wealthy. The Democrats saved the day.
How could House Republicans possibly vote against this? They'd get hammered in 2014. Yet they'd still look foolish for being forced to support something at a later date that they were so opposed to now.
There really is no way to win this one.
The only way they should is for each to vote “present”;
As far as I can tell, the American public want two things: First, they want massive, European-style social welfare and second, they want to keep their Bush-era tax cuts (just not for the rich). I believe Americans would be willing to compromise on some measure of deficit-reduction as long as those cuts are made to programs that they themselves individually do not benefit from.
Rand Paul is sick of libs ???
A while back I proposed a very similar cynical idea.
I said that at least in the Senate the Republicans should attach to every lib bill a poison pill amendment like this and then vote against it. Just add all kinds of crazy extremist stuff like reparations and force Dems to vote on it, and then vote against it..
Well Dems did similar to the R majority in the House in 2006 on immigration.
Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.
Yep, you got that right.
I also had another cynical idea to pass the extension for only <$100K to see what Dems would do. Then blame O for the taxes going up above that, If taxes have to go up it would be best if they appear to hurt rather than help the economy, but that only works if Rs don’t get blamed for it.
(OH, and if you have an R POTUS and he cuts taxes then you need the economy to improve not crash, to make the case)
But the suicide wing of the R party seems to want to do nothing (no extension), let them ALL go up so the economy crashes because they are sure that Obama will get blamed instead of them, unlike all the other times he didnnt get blamed.