Skip to comments.All Of The Fiscal Cliff Polls Have Been Pretty Brutal For Republicans
Posted on 12/07/2012 1:29:33 PM PST by SeekAndFind
As negotiations on a deal to avert the "fiscal cliff" enter the final three weeks, Republicans face a stark reality: The American public continues siding with President Barack Obama and Democrats on issues crucial to any potential deal.
Polls taken over the past month have continually shown that a post-election bump for the President, combined with the relative unpopularity of Republicans, gives Obama a lot of leverage in the debate.
Voters overwhelmingly support the key element of Obama's plan for a deal raising taxes on incomes above $250,000. They also support blanket entitlement cuts, which is what the GOP wants in a deal. But when asked about specific entitlement reforms, they balk at the options.
Here's a rundown of the GOP's public-opinion problem:
* In the past week, voters appear to be moving even more toward a position that favors raising tax rates on incomes above $250,000. A Thursday Quinnipiac poll found the margin at a whopping 65-31. In a new Associated Press/GfK poll, 48 percent favored eliminating the Bush-era tax cuts on incomes above $250,000.
* Obama has more cards to play with because if leaders do fail to reach an agreement, the public overwhelmingly says it will blame Republicans by a 53-27 percent margin. This underscores what two big conservatives wrote last week that Republicans are "screwed" because they don't have much leverage, especially in the court of public opinion.
* What has gone unnoticed in a lot of fiscal-cliff polling is how starkly people come out against any specific entitlement reforms pollsters ask about. For example, in the Quinnipiac poll, people oppose cutting Medicare spending by a 70-25 margin. By a 51-44 margin, they oppose raising the Medicare eligibility age.
* The AP poll shows that voters also "trust" Democrats more on handling Medicare
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I would like like to go back to being the Party of No.
No deal is better than a bad deal.
I would like like to go back to being the Party of No.
No deal is better than a bad deal.
Who really gives hoot about this? It is clear that this is purely a political ploy on Obama’s part. Give them what they want. The sooner this country hits rock bottom, just like a with a drug abuser, it will seek help.
I’m sick and tired of this. We have the most inept congress and purely partisan president.
Give them what they want and back off.
The RATS are blatantly stealing elections now, it does not matter how anybody votes. Might as well vote for the right thing because they are going to cheat Republicans out of seats anyways.
The Pubs have been outplayed and can’t win this one. Obama will refuse to make any real concessions because he wants the Bush tax cuts to expire. Then in January, with the new Congress and tax hikes in place, he will propose a bill to reinstate them for all but “the rich”. The Pubs will either have to capitulate, or vote against tax cuts for the vast majority of Americans. If they do the later it will kill their brand as the party of lower taxes.
Sometimes you just have to fold a losing hand.
They might as well do the right thing, it won’t matter what they try to do, they’ll get blamed.
Oh, and 0bama wants higher tax rates AND the fiscal cliff / economic crash.
Yes, he wants the country to fail economically.
The Washington Generals...uhhh, I mean Republicans, are handling this so badly they ought to get hammered in the polls.
It is much, much more important that Republicans resist Obama, and this accepts that there will be extreme pressure put on them in the short term. But the elections are very far away right now.
If Republicans cave now, out of fear of alienating the more liberal voters in two year, they will alienate their core voters right now. And as these core voters demonstrated in the last election, if you do that, you lose them, and you *will* lose the election.
So it is a contest between “might” and “will”.
However, if the Republicans keep their intestinal fortitude, yes they will get heat from the Democrats and the MSM for two or three months. But then push comes to shove.
The Democrats truly believe that Obama is a dictator, and as such, if he orders something, he must be obeyed. But the flip side to this is if he orders something and it does not happen, he has failed “the agenda”, or more to the point, “he is a god that bleeds”. A false god.
And when the paychecks are cut off for Democrats especially across the country, Obama and the Democrat party will be at the center of their wrath.
Republicans worry too much about pissing off people that would never vote for them in the first place.
Polls are U.S. government PROPAGANDA, devised to shape public opinion in favor of tyranny. Lemmings over the Fiscal Cliff!
Tell them to shove their polls up their Butts.
Do what’s right and screw the polls.
Of coiurse I say that, but Boehner and his Progressive Republicans are already starting to bend over for the shaft.
Look, if Repubs give in: top 2% rates go up.
If we let fiscal cliff happen: top 2% rates go up along w/98%
Pubs need to pass bill raising top rates and leaving 98% as is.
Clean bill, nothing added. Announce they are giving Obama what he wants for the sake of the 98% and let Obama own it.
yeah . votes were stolen. was there enough to win? maybe . did the useless party do anything to stop it? no. did the useless party give us a viable candidate? No!
Of course he does. It is part of the Communist/Alinsky plan.
They now have enough people dependent on the Government that when it collapses they will scream for the Government to fix it, instead of each individual working to make things better. That is the foundation to rip up our Constitution and create a communist government with them in charge for life.
The map of the United States will not look as it does today when that happens.
Amazing how the populace has gone along with it.
Comcast had a site that simply calculates one's increase in tax and payroll taxes if the Bush tax cuts expire for everyone and SS and Medicare go back up to their former percentage payments:
I apologize for being http challenged and don't know where on Free Republic one finds all the codes.
Anyways my increase will be $1009.00 - that's on a salary of almost $29,000.00. From $3,477 federal income taxes, lower SS withdrawal to $4,486.00.
Like I said, it's very simplified. Does not take into consideration standard or itemized deductions. Just basic salary and exemptions.
Still . . . what a pain in the arse. I might as well throw in the towel and go suck off the government teat. I'm 62. I'm getting tired of it all.
Voters are only hearing one side of the debate. The WH have complete control of the media who get his message out and either ignore conservative arguments or edit them to look bad.
What happened to standing on principle?
At some point we are going to crash and it is going to be a hard landing. But the hard landing is what Barry the Bolshevik is going for.
Who cares what “Americans” think anymore? These are the same know nothing putz’ that voted a know nothing putz back into POTUS a 2nd time!!!
Republicans went OVER the CLIFF quite a few elections ago..
When they IGNORED voter fraud.. totally ignored it..
as they still are doing.. Nov 6th voter fraud demanded revolt..
But republicans have become cowards and complicit with voter fraud..
Afraid to put their lives at risk.. revolt can be quite bloody..
AND THE DEMOCRATS KNOW IT..
It’s the usual Propaganda -—> Poll -—> Propaganda -—> Etc. cycle that the media always creates:
Repubs/Conservatives Bad -—> Poll -—> Repubs/Conservatives Bad -—> Etc.
Damed if you do. Damned of you don’t. Might as well do the right thing and stand on principal. The next election is few years away, voters have short memories, and we know how all the polls are rigged by the Liberal Media. Go for it, Boner!
The court of public opinion is orchestrated by the same Marxist media which got the Kenyan re-elected. Until the enemedia loses sufficient credibility and a few of their top leaders get Julius Streicher therapy, this country will not get back on the right track.
Give the President what he wants on the 2%, stipulate that you don’t agree; vote PRESENT, and deliver enough sacrifical votes so that it passes the House,
BUT.....pledge that support if the President and Reid agree to put these “obama tax increases” back to Bush rates, if they do not present a true balanced plan on cutting the Budget within the first 45 days of the new year. If they don’t agree, then the GOP can claim that the President is no serious about balancing the budget, reining in Govt spending and tell them there will be absolutely no movement on the debt ceiling.
As for the other calculation, I wouldn't trust Comcast -- they're bundlers for 0bama, and their rate is surely a nominal, not actual, calculation. Expiration of the Bush Tax cuts will increase the average family's actual Federal Income Tax liability (not nominal tax) by about $1200. That is on an average ($48,500) household income. I very seriously doubt that you would see an increase of $1000 on less than $29,000.
Both Quinnipiac and AP pollsters are the worst propagandists.
It is no wonder the public polls this way. Every liberal/socialist media talking head is doing nothing but propagandizing for Obama’s position and attacking the Repub position. That is all the public hears With this and the 47% who are taking from the government, is there any doubt that that is how they would poll. No surprise here. Americans are really stupid and selfish — seems they will support anything that takes from others to give to themselves. But don’t mess with their money or benefits. The polling on specific benefit cuts says just that.
Who cares? If we go over the cliff, Repubs get blamed, if we don’t, Obama gets the credit. We’re going to get bad PR either way, we might as well stand on principle.
I hope you are right.
Course SS will crash in a decade or two no matter what.
What principle are you standing on if you let taxes go up across the board, and let defense take half of al the cuts. That sounds exactly like a Democrat’s principle. By going off the cliff the GOP would be enacting the democrats agenda, and will take the blame for any economic damage. Total disaster.
Of course "the American public" continues siding with The Won. "The American public" voted for the guy who promised to keep playing Santa, and now they want him to keep playing Santa.
The Republicans are (a) extremely poor at getting the message out, and, (b) are extremely good at always letting the Democrats play offense.
The republican party just backed up and ran into the iceberg again to make sure the Titanic would sink..
Who are the fools that would reward them for it?..
Republic Rats are jumping ship as we speak..
A third party could do no worse..
NOTE; to the loyal.. Soooo stay aboard a sinking ship.. will make for a purer third party.. Cherrio RINOs.. The Tiger Sharks are not friendly today..
This polling reflects the common tendency for the public to rally to the President when a crisis develops. As the crisis wears on though, the historic pattern is for the President to suffer a fall in standing because the continuation of the crisis itself is seen as a failure of leadership. It is unclear if Boehner and his team are aware of the potential to turn public sentiment in the long run by focusing on spending and gradually eroding Obama’s standing.
The GOP doesn't need the President to agree on a budget-balancing plan; they control the House, and all spending bills must originate in the House.
If the GOP wants a balanced budget, they need to pass a balanced budget - "You've got $2.2 trillion in revenue coming in; here's authorization to spend $2.2 trillion ... take it or leave it".
Presto! Balanced budget! No need to raise the debt limit!
Of course it will be painful - it will lead to years of economic agony.
But there's three choices - amputate the gangrenous toe now, amputate the gangrenous leg a little later on, or die. Which one do you want?
Pick one. "None of the above" is not an option.
Human beings, much like any other animal in nature, respond to strength and power.
The republicans display nothing of the sort. They display the exact opposite. Weakness. Cowardice. They stand for nothing. They do not know how to negotiate from a position of stength, because they do not know what strength is. They are sissies, underdogs, abused spouses.
If one does not lead, then one will not have followers. It is just as simple as that.
They want too much to be liked, and they will not be. Respect and trust are earned. Whether or not someone likes you is not relevent. What is relevent is that your enemies fear you.
I don’t really know any other way to say it, but the republicans do not understand the human psyche at all. They do not know how to relate, they do not know how to play this game, and as a result they are going to be crushed.
Business Insider writers are stooges for Obama and the Rats! Their articles the publish aren’t worth the photons they are written on.
I’m sick of it too. I’m just about ready to jump off a cliff myself. Let them raise taxes and let the chips fall where they may. Like you said, maybe we have to hit rock bottom to get people to think differently.
Social Security and Medicare both need to die.
Social Security can probably be gradually (over a period of 40 or 50 years) phased out.
Medicare needs to die much sooner. It’s been doubling in annual cost every 8 years since 1980. At that rate, in another 16 years, it will consume the entirety of today’s annual budget, and in another 16 years will consume the entire GDP.
I’m sure you realize that’s impossible.
Medicare must be cut drastically. Promises will be broken. There will be much screaming and gnashing of teeth. But, a person cannot expect to pay a few tens of thousands of dollars in Medicare taxes over the course of their working life and then expect to collect hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical coverage for joint replacements, heart-bypass operations and cancer treatments when they retire.
Can’t be done.
The sooner we admit that, the better.
No class warfare. If the Democrats want to raise taxes, they can do it without our votes. Like I said, we’re in for a PR whupping either way.
That’s a very roundabout way of saying: capitulate.
Just last night I watched a repub news conference featuring the dynamic duo Boner and McConnell explaining the ins and outs of the ‘fiscal cliff’, the consequences of the Zer0 plan.
Then I woke up.