Skip to comments.The Conservative Revolt: Principles and Leverage
Posted on 12/07/2012 5:46:58 PM PST by DBeers
The Fiscal Cliff.
It all comes down to principles.
Not to mention an abrupt campaign to depose Speaker John Boehner, as now reported last night by the Daily Caller. An idea discussed in this very space only days ago.
Grover Norquist understands this. Brent Bozell understands this. The Heritage Foundation understands this. Ditto Rush, Sean and Mark. And in truth -- millions of conservatives get it in their bones.
John Boehner does not understand this.
And let's not forget the leverage that is the debt ceiling.
Let's see the House GOP start talking relentlessly, in Reagan-style, about the underpinnings of what Obama is demanding. Connect the dots just as Reagan connected the dots between a specific -- negotiations in Geneva, a summit in Reykjavik, the barring of the Soviet Ambassador's once privileged access to the State Department etc., etc., etc. -- and the bedrock reason they are being done. In the Cold War case, a quest for world domination; in the Fiscal Cliff case, the re-making of America into a socialist country.
(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.org ...
Let us start calling it what it is -SOCIALISM!
And as well, identify it for what it is -EVIL!
John Boehner AKA "The No Nutz Putz"
“Let us start calling it what it is -SOCIALISM!”
Even just pointing out that the Communist Party USA stopped running candidates because they were content to work through the Democratic Party would be a start.
> Let us start calling it what it is -SOCIALISM!
Yes. However, based on many interviews of voters conducted by talk radio hosts it appears that most think that “socialism” means being social.
Fire Boehner: We Only Need 16 Votes to Depose Boehner
« on: December 05, 2012, 06:54:07 PM »Fire Boehner: We Only Need 16 Votes to Depose Boehner
By: Ned Ryun (Diary) | December 5th, 2012 at 03:00 PM | 23
If Conservatives want to keep the House and win the Senate, we need to fire John Boehner as speaker of the House. We only need 16 House votes to do it.
As most conservatives know, Boehner and the House GOP Steering Committee decided to purge four conservative House members from their committee. Congressmen Justin Amash and Tim Huelskamp were removed from the House Budget Committee, and Congressmen David Schweikert and Walter Jones were cut from the Financial Services Committee.
Amash, Huelskamp, and Schweikert were targeted because they were too fiscally conservativeall three have voted against Boehners debt ceiling hikes. Amash and Huelskamp were the only two GOP votes against House Budget Chairman Paul Ryans budget.
Amash explained that vote at yesterdays Bloggers Briefing at the Heritage Foundation, Its unacceptable to have unbalanced budgets until 2040.
For anyone outside of DC, this statement seems obvious. Only in Washington is balancing the budget radical.
Many conservatives voted for the Ryan budget because they didnt want to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. I understand that, but we shouldnt criticize those who actually understand the depth of our debt problem and plan to propose real answers.
If Speaker Boehner wants to purge independent, bold conservativesI think its time he gets fired as Speaker. Not only for the purge. He has failed to effectively win negotiations with President Obama and appointed moderate committee chairs. To the public, Boehner may appear radical but in reality he proposes milquetoast policies, like the tax-hikes he proposed this week.
While the caucus has already voted in support of John Boehner as speaker of the 113th Congress, the final floor vote doesnt happen until early January.
Everyone thinks its a fairytale, but the Conservative Movement is capable of firing Boehner with just 16 votes.
The House rules demand that a Speaker receive a majority218 votesto be elected speaker. If no nominee for speaker receives 218, the House remains speakerlessas it did during parts of the Civil War.
If 16 House Republicans were to abstain from voting for Speaker, Boehner would only receive 217 votes.
Once we depose Boehner and cause a firestorm, the Republican caucus will get the memo: Pick someone else! These 16 Republicans only need to hold out until the caucus chooses a new leader.
For Speaker, I suggest members who are anti-establishment, but still have broad support. Congressmen Jim Jordan of Ohio would be my pick. He just finished leading the Republican Study Committee and proposed the best budget weve seen come out of Congress.
Republicans and conservatives deserve a more articulate, more conservative leader. In fact, we need one if we want to keep the House majority and take the Senate. Boehner has been Obamas punching bag and has lost every public battle with the President. Now, hes waging an internal war on conservatives.
Remember, we lost seats in the House under his leadership. He has failed as spokesman for the movement. Boehner has been in Congress for 22 years, and he looks like and embodies the typical DC politician. Cant we find someone fresher to lead the party forward?
Problem is that cuts both ways. It would only take 16 centrist Republicans to block any conservative speaker. Don’t pick fights you can’t win.
You are right. We should fold our tents and go away.
“Problem is that cuts both ways. It would only take 16 centrist Republicans to block any conservative speaker. Dont pick fights you cant win.”
So do nothing? Taking your advice there would be no Speaker. Maybe that in and of itself would be a good thing because the sides would cancel each other out. The real problem I see is that the Dems would vote for Boo-Hoo Boehner. That would tell you everything you need to know about him.
The tax increase are automatic and don't require a single vote. So House Rs have to and will pass a bill THIS YEAR extending the tax cuts for <$250K and send it to Reid.
Now O is threatening to veto even that middle class 98% tax cut bill so Republicans better get their butts in gear and understand Os plan to destroy the Republican party. Their stupidity is key to his pan, just like the election
The article also observes that there is little room in the current GOP for genuine conservatives. Agreed, as seen in the purges.
The time to start a conservative third party is NOW, so we can fill a few seats in the 2014 mid-terms and get past the Third Party Stigma.
We’re stuck with the GOP for now, but we should be planning for a future without them. Does anyone believe the GOP actually “represents” us any more?
You don’t get it.
Over the next two years we don’t need to DO anything in the House.
We just want to use the power to STOP the House from doing anything.
Defeat the liberals, in the Republican Primaries.
Any other strategy will just elect more Democrats!
Nice plan, but the way the RINOs run the party, they let democrats vote in the republican primaries, so it is not fair from the beginning. Then they set up the rules so only a few states winnow out all of the candidates except the chosen ones. Most of us never have been given a meaningful vote in the party.
I’ve never had a chance to even agree with them, since it is all over long before 90% get to express a preference.
On top of that, they have never heard of a challenge to voter fraud, or the introduction of safeguards. They are content to prosecute a lone individual every other election in one or two states for which the outcome would not have changed anyway.
Two party rule is nice, but I think for that to work, there has to actually be two parties.
The time to fight is at the polls. Once the elections are done and you’re a minority party, well, you’re a minority party. It’s fantasy land to think that you can go to war in congress with a slim majority in the house of representatives, while the opposing party has the executive position and the senate locked down. I know some of the older FReepers especially where raised on Mr. Smith goes to Washington fantasy where one man makes a difference and wins the day, but in the real world of politics, numbers are the only power that counts. The GOP has failed in that regard. That part is over. Democrats won
The most effective means of fighting right now is gearing up to fight for seats in the house and senate in 2014.
” - - - Boehner has been in Congress for 22 years - - - “
That is 16 years to long.
Yeah man! Just like we did last time!
All Hail King 0bungh0le?
You seem to forget what checks and balances is all about --as well, that the only way to have a limited government is to LIMIT IT!
The House IS the peoples house AND the Republican are the Majority there -to hell with the Kenyan Marxist!
Each two years the chance to do anything gets smaller, your vestiges of power are waning not getting stronger. 2014 may be the last of a pubbie majority. So, we are waiting on a fantasy. No sense in using what power we have left. Just fold. I guess you are right. so, after the pubbies screw us I am supposed to get excited about 2014? It seems like a fool’s bet.
Re: “TV Coverage On Cliff Talks”
Great idea, except for one thing...
I can’t think of any senior Republican leader who is qualified to apply or defend basic Conservative principles in a high pressure televised setting.
Our leaders know some sound bites, a few of our leaders actually have real Conservative instincts, but NONE of our leaders have done the serious hard intellectual work that is required to win a long and deadly serious debate.
And as well, identify it for what it is -EVIL!
They have already desensitized the word "socialism" among the base and let's face it - an old book tells us that good will be called evil and evil will be called good - there is no stopping it, just slowing it down as we inexorably head towards the abyss.
With a weak leader such as Boehner, you can gear up all you want and you will get no where.
The author is of course correct in urging resistance to tax increases and showing a strong face in any fiscal negotiations.
But revolt within the gop? While I agree with the sentiment, what does this approach get us in the long term? Control of the feckless, useless, and corrupt political party? Why would we even want it at this point? It’s a ruined brand with inept leadership on a downward trajectory. Better a fresh start on a second party.
Well you call me an “idiot” while YOU are the one with the obvious math problem?
If we can’t win a majority of the Republican primary elections, where most of the voters agree with us on the issues -—
How on Earth do we win GENERAL elections where the Socialists are out in force?
YOU are the idiot. I am guessing you have never run a successful political campaign in your entire life.
Uh huh. Idiots like you are what has ruined the GOP beyond repair. The problem with folks like you is that you think the way to win is to just "broaden the appeal" by continuing to move to the left, figuring that conservatives "have nowhere else to go." Meanwhile, the way to win is to reach voters with your ideas and convince them of their correctness - something which the GOP is signally failing to do, and which Romney completely failed to do this year.
But by all means, keep foisting off establishment insider candidates onto the Party. It can only hasten the demise of the GOP, which is probably a good thing.
“The most effective means of fighting right now is gearing up to fight for seats in the house and senate in 2014”
I have no disagreement on this but that DOESN’T mean you lay down and let them run over you-You stop there any where and way you can. The House can block legislation and it should! It may even be able to use its control to gain concessions if they hold true!
You “purists” really don't count, since it is human nature to ignore, completely, those who refuse to vote of to ignore those who go “Third Party”.
If you’re argument had any merit, then it would already be happening, since people have been *trying* to make it happen for years. Yet we still get stuck with Dole, McCain, Romney, and yes, Bush counts as well.
The GOP needs to make fundamental changes to the way it does business before your plan for winning it in the primaries actually would work. They’d need to close the primaries. They’d need to reform the primary schedule. But you and I both know that these things are never going to happen. The “leadership” in the GOP won’t allow it, even in the face of strong grassroots opposition - specifically because these changes would benefit conservatives to the detriment of the go-along-to-get-along crowd.
Ultimately, the only way the GOP can be saved is to make a clean sweep of its “leadership” caste - the hacks, the politicos, the backroom cigar smokers, the advisors - the whole lot of them. Any bets on how likely *that’s* going to be to happen?
We need a credible second party - one that basically exists in the shell of the old GOP, but which is actually responsive to the grassroots and which can bring back in the conservative-leaning independents and the Reagan Democrats. The current GOP simply isn’t, and will not ever again, get the job done.