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The Conservative Revolt: Principles and Leverage
The American Spectator ^ | 12.6.12 | Jeffrey Lord

Posted on 12/07/2012 5:46:58 PM PST by DBeers

The Fiscal Cliff.

It all comes down to principles.

And leverage.

Not to mention an abrupt campaign to depose Speaker John Boehner, as now reported last night by the Daily Caller. An idea discussed in this very space only days ago.

Grover Norquist understands this. Brent Bozell understands this. The Heritage Foundation understands this. Ditto Rush, Sean and Mark. And in truth -- millions of conservatives get it in their bones.

John Boehner does not understand this.

-SNIP-

And let's not forget the leverage that is the debt ceiling.

Let's see the House GOP start talking relentlessly, in Reagan-style, about the underpinnings of what Obama is demanding. Connect the dots just as Reagan connected the dots between a specific -- negotiations in Geneva, a summit in Reykjavik, the barring of the Soviet Ambassador's once privileged access to the State Department etc., etc., etc. -- and the bedrock reason they are being done. In the Cold War case, a quest for world domination; in the Fiscal Cliff case, the re-making of America into a socialist country.

-SNIP-

(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.org ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fiscalcliff; socialism
THIS type of head on approach would be a refreshing thing to see!

Let us start calling it what it is -SOCIALISM!

And as well, identify it for what it is -EVIL!

1 posted on 12/07/2012 5:47:01 PM PST by DBeers
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To: DBeers
Socialism is Mr. Stitch's own creation. And actually, they have really blown clean past socialism and gone stark raving Marxist.





John Boehner AKA "The No Nutz Putz"

2 posted on 12/07/2012 5:55:11 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: DBeers

“Let us start calling it what it is -SOCIALISM!”
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Even just pointing out that the Communist Party USA stopped running candidates because they were content to work through the Democratic Party would be a start.


3 posted on 12/07/2012 6:01:26 PM PST by OldNewYork
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To: DBeers

> Let us start calling it what it is -SOCIALISM!

Yes. However, based on many interviews of voters conducted by talk radio hosts it appears that most think that “socialism” means being social.


4 posted on 12/07/2012 6:06:16 PM PST by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: DBeers

Posts: 2289

Fire Boehner: We Only Need 16 Votes to Depose Boehner
« on: December 05, 2012, 06:54:07 PM »Fire Boehner: We Only Need 16 Votes to Depose Boehner

By: Ned Ryun (Diary) | December 5th, 2012 at 03:00 PM | 23

If Conservatives want to keep the House and win the Senate, we need to fire John Boehner as speaker of the House. We only need 16 House votes to do it.

As most conservatives know, Boehner and the House GOP Steering Committee decided to purge four conservative House members from their committee. Congressmen Justin Amash and Tim Huelskamp were removed from the House Budget Committee, and Congressmen David Schweikert and Walter Jones were cut from the Financial Services Committee.

Amash, Huelskamp, and Schweikert were targeted because they were too fiscally conservative—all three have voted against Boehner’s debt ceiling hikes. Amash and Huelskamp were the only two GOP votes against House Budget Chairman Paul Ryan’s budget.

Amash explained that vote at yesterday’s Bloggers’ Briefing at the Heritage Foundation, “It’s unacceptable to have unbalanced budgets until 2040.”

For anyone outside of DC, this statement seems obvious. Only in Washington is balancing the budget radical.

Many conservatives voted for the Ryan budget because they didn’t want to “let the perfect be the enemy of the good.” I understand that, but we shouldn’t criticize those who actually understand the depth of our debt problem and plan to propose real answers.

If Speaker Boehner wants to purge independent, bold conservatives—I think it’s time he gets fired as Speaker. Not only for the purge. He has failed to effectively win negotiations with President Obama and appointed moderate committee chairs. To the public, Boehner may appear radical but in reality he proposes milquetoast policies, like the tax-hikes he proposed this week.

While the caucus has already voted in support of John Boehner as speaker of the 113th Congress, the final floor vote doesn’t happen until early January.

Everyone thinks it’s a fairytale, but the Conservative Movement is capable of firing Boehner with just 16 votes.

The House rules demand that a Speaker receive a majority—218 votes—to be elected speaker. If no nominee for speaker receives 218, the House remains speakerless—as it did during parts of the Civil War.

If 16 House Republicans were to abstain from voting for Speaker, Boehner would only receive 217 votes.

Once we depose Boehner and cause a firestorm, the Republican caucus will get the memo: Pick someone else! These 16 Republicans only need to hold out until the caucus chooses a new leader.

For Speaker, I suggest members who are anti-establishment, but still have broad support. Congressmen Jim Jordan of Ohio would be my pick. He just finished leading the Republican Study Committee and proposed the best budget we’ve seen come out of Congress.

Republicans and conservatives deserve a more articulate, more conservative leader. In fact, we need one if we want to keep the House majority and take the Senate. Boehner has been Obama’s punching bag and has lost every public battle with the President. Now, he’s waging an internal war on conservatives.

Remember, we lost seats in the House under his leadership. He has failed as spokesman for the movement. Boehner has been in Congress for 22 years, and he looks like and embodies the typical DC politician. Can’t we find someone fresher to lead the party forward?

http://www.redstate.com/nedryun/2012/12/05/fire-boehner-we-only-need-16-votes-to-depose-boehner/?


5 posted on 12/07/2012 6:25:52 PM PST by classified
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To: classified

Problem is that cuts both ways. It would only take 16 centrist Republicans to block any conservative speaker. Don’t pick fights you can’t win.


6 posted on 12/07/2012 6:35:57 PM PST by Melas (u)
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To: Melas

You are right. We should fold our tents and go away.


7 posted on 12/07/2012 6:42:57 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: Melas

“Problem is that cuts both ways. It would only take 16 centrist Republicans to block any conservative speaker. Don’t pick fights you can’t win.”

So do nothing? Taking your advice there would be no Speaker. Maybe that in and of itself would be a good thing because the sides would cancel each other out. The real problem I see is that the Dems would vote for Boo-Hoo Boehner. That would tell you everything you need to know about him.


8 posted on 12/07/2012 6:46:30 PM PST by Castigar
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To: Melas
Well if someone doesn't start fighting and getting our message over to these turncoats, we've lost the fight without even trying. I'm not one for just waiting around hoping that these RHINOs will start representing us. It is time we quit worrying about losing and start designing a plan and tactic on how to go to battle with Obama and remove this crying fool of a Speaker! Not only is he and Cantor responsible for removing several of the Tea Party candidates from important committees but it is also rumored that Paul Ryan had a hand in this action also. If this is the case, his run for 2016 is totally shot! And good riddance to all of them.
9 posted on 12/07/2012 7:17:33 PM PST by classified
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To: DBeers
Making the case for tax cuts is great, but...

The tax increase are automatic and don't require a single vote. So House Rs have to and will pass a bill THIS YEAR extending the tax cuts for <$250K and send it to Reid.

Now O is threatening to veto even that middle class 98% tax cut bill so Republicans better get their butts in gear and understand Os plan to destroy the Republican party. Their stupidity is key to his pan, just like the election

Here's what the Republican House must do on taxes right now, and what will happen if they don't (SOL | 12/7/12 | sickoflibs vanity)

10 posted on 12/07/2012 7:33:15 PM PST by sickoflibs (Has Bohner caved yet? And called it historic again?)
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To: DBeers

The article also observes that there is little room in the current GOP for genuine conservatives. Agreed, as seen in the purges.

The time to start a conservative third party is NOW, so we can fill a few seats in the 2014 mid-terms and get past the Third Party Stigma.

We’re stuck with the GOP for now, but we should be planning for a future without them. Does anyone believe the GOP actually “represents” us any more?


11 posted on 12/07/2012 7:44:55 PM PST by DNME (Without the Constitution, there is no legitimate U.S. government. No exceptions.)
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To: Melas

You don’t get it.
Over the next two years we don’t need to DO anything in the House.
We just want to use the power to STOP the House from doing anything.


12 posted on 12/07/2012 8:09:20 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: DNME
A “3rd Party” is still an stupid idea.

Defeat the liberals, in the Republican Primaries.

Any other strategy will just elect more Democrats!

13 posted on 12/07/2012 8:13:41 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58

Nice plan, but the way the RINOs run the party, they let democrats vote in the republican primaries, so it is not fair from the beginning. Then they set up the rules so only a few states winnow out all of the candidates except the chosen ones. Most of us never have been given a meaningful vote in the party.

I’ve never had a chance to even agree with them, since it is all over long before 90% get to express a preference.

On top of that, they have never heard of a challenge to voter fraud, or the introduction of safeguards. They are content to prosecute a lone individual every other election in one or two states for which the outcome would not have changed anyway.

Two party rule is nice, but I think for that to work, there has to actually be two parties.


14 posted on 12/07/2012 8:47:02 PM PST by LachlanMinnesota
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat; Castigar; classified; Kansas58

The time to fight is at the polls. Once the elections are done and you’re a minority party, well, you’re a minority party. It’s fantasy land to think that you can go to war in congress with a slim majority in the house of representatives, while the opposing party has the executive position and the senate locked down. I know some of the older FReepers especially where raised on Mr. Smith goes to Washington fantasy where one man makes a difference and wins the day, but in the real world of politics, numbers are the only power that counts. The GOP has failed in that regard. That part is over. Democrats won

The most effective means of fighting right now is gearing up to fight for seats in the house and senate in 2014.


15 posted on 12/07/2012 9:15:27 PM PST by Melas (u)
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To: classified

” - - - Boehner has been in Congress for 22 years - - - “

That is 16 years to long.


16 posted on 12/07/2012 9:19:10 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Kansas58; All
Defeat the liberals, in the Republican Primaries.

Yeah man! Just like we did last time!

Idiot.

17 posted on 12/07/2012 9:28:29 PM PST by Yashcheritsiy (It's time to Repeal and Replace the Republican Party)
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To: Melas
The most effective means of fighting right now is gearing up to fight for seats in the house and senate in 2014 to get Sarah Palin elected president in 2016.

FIFY!

18 posted on 12/07/2012 10:16:18 PM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: Melas
The time to fight is at the polls. Once the elections are done and you’re a minority party, well, you’re a minority party. It’s fantasy land to think that you can go to war in congress with a slim majority in the house of representatives, while the opposing party has the executive position and the senate locked down.

All Hail King 0bungh0le?

You seem to forget what checks and balances is all about --as well, that the only way to have a limited government is to LIMIT IT!

The House IS the peoples house AND the Republican are the Majority there -to hell with the Kenyan Marxist!

19 posted on 12/07/2012 10:20:38 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: Melas

Each two years the chance to do anything gets smaller, your vestiges of power are waning not getting stronger. 2014 may be the last of a pubbie majority. So, we are waiting on a fantasy. No sense in using what power we have left. Just fold. I guess you are right. so, after the pubbies screw us I am supposed to get excited about 2014? It seems like a fool’s bet.


20 posted on 12/07/2012 10:28:08 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: DBeers

Re: “TV Coverage On Cliff Talks”

Great idea, except for one thing...

I can’t think of any senior Republican leader who is qualified to apply or defend basic Conservative principles in a high pressure televised setting.

Our leaders know some sound bites, a few of our leaders actually have real Conservative instincts, but NONE of our leaders have done the serious hard intellectual work that is required to win a long and deadly serious debate.


21 posted on 12/08/2012 12:27:06 AM PST by zeestephen
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To: DBeers
Let us start calling it what it is -SOCIALISM!

And as well, identify it for what it is -EVIL!

They have already desensitized the word "socialism" among the base and let's face it - an old book tells us that good will be called evil and evil will be called good - there is no stopping it, just slowing it down as we inexorably head towards the abyss.

22 posted on 12/08/2012 5:01:38 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: Melas

With a weak leader such as Boehner, you can gear up all you want and you will get no where.


23 posted on 12/08/2012 5:12:58 AM PST by classified
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To: DBeers

The author is of course correct in urging resistance to tax increases and showing a strong face in any fiscal negotiations.

But revolt within the gop? While I agree with the sentiment, what does this approach get us in the long term? Control of the feckless, useless, and corrupt political party? Why would we even want it at this point? It’s a ruined brand with inept leadership on a downward trajectory. Better a fresh start on a second party.


24 posted on 12/08/2012 5:35:50 AM PST by RKBA Democrat (Getting in touch with my inner rebel)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Well you call me an “idiot” while YOU are the one with the obvious math problem?
If we can’t win a majority of the Republican primary elections, where most of the voters agree with us on the issues -—
How on Earth do we win GENERAL elections where the Socialists are out in force?

YOU are the idiot. I am guessing you have never run a successful political campaign in your entire life.


25 posted on 12/08/2012 7:48:59 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58; All
YOU are the idiot. I am guessing you have never run a successful political campaign in your entire life.

Uh huh. Idiots like you are what has ruined the GOP beyond repair. The problem with folks like you is that you think the way to win is to just "broaden the appeal" by continuing to move to the left, figuring that conservatives "have nowhere else to go." Meanwhile, the way to win is to reach voters with your ideas and convince them of their correctness - something which the GOP is signally failing to do, and which Romney completely failed to do this year.

But by all means, keep foisting off establishment insider candidates onto the Party. It can only hasten the demise of the GOP, which is probably a good thing.

26 posted on 12/08/2012 9:45:08 AM PST by Yashcheritsiy (It's time to Repeal and Replace the Republican Party)
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To: Melas

“The most effective means of fighting right now is gearing up to fight for seats in the house and senate in 2014”

I have no disagreement on this but that DOESN’T mean you lay down and let them run over you-You stop there any where and way you can. The House can block legislation and it should! It may even be able to use its control to gain concessions if they hold true!


27 posted on 12/08/2012 11:39:27 AM PST by Castigar
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To: Yashcheritsiy
You obviously do not know what you are talking about, as Romney was not even my 5th choice for Nominee.
However, in the Primary, we must vote for the most conservative candidate available.
In the General, we must defeat the Democrats.
This strategy WOULD work to make the GOP more conservative.

You “purists” really don't count, since it is human nature to ignore, completely, those who refuse to vote of to ignore those who go “Third Party”.

28 posted on 12/09/2012 8:42:55 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58

If you’re argument had any merit, then it would already be happening, since people have been *trying* to make it happen for years. Yet we still get stuck with Dole, McCain, Romney, and yes, Bush counts as well.

The GOP needs to make fundamental changes to the way it does business before your plan for winning it in the primaries actually would work. They’d need to close the primaries. They’d need to reform the primary schedule. But you and I both know that these things are never going to happen. The “leadership” in the GOP won’t allow it, even in the face of strong grassroots opposition - specifically because these changes would benefit conservatives to the detriment of the go-along-to-get-along crowd.

Ultimately, the only way the GOP can be saved is to make a clean sweep of its “leadership” caste - the hacks, the politicos, the backroom cigar smokers, the advisors - the whole lot of them. Any bets on how likely *that’s* going to be to happen?

We need a credible second party - one that basically exists in the shell of the old GOP, but which is actually responsive to the grassroots and which can bring back in the conservative-leaning independents and the Reagan Democrats. The current GOP simply isn’t, and will not ever again, get the job done.


29 posted on 12/09/2012 10:18:50 AM PST by Yashcheritsiy (It's time to Repeal and Replace the Republican Party)
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