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Fiscal Cliff Means 50% Tax Rates For The Middle Class
Money Morning ^ | 12-7-2012 | Money Morning - Keith Fitz-Gerald

Posted on 12/07/2012 7:31:22 PM PST by blam

Fiscal Cliff Means 50% Tax Rates For The Middle Class

Politics / TaxesDec 07, 2012 - 08:12 AM
By: Money Morning

Keith Fitz-Gerald writes: If I didn't know any better, I'd think there's a small but growing group of people in Washington who think it would actually be good if we temporarily went over the fiscal cliff.

I say that because I am seeing a smattering of articles recently suggesting that somehow going over the cliff "won't be all that bad" or that we're "really just talking about cuts that need to happen in the first place."

President Obama seems to think the same way judging by the fact that he's dug in his heels, telling the GOP there will be no fiscal cliff bargain that doesn't include tax hikes.

Now noted budget hawk Republican Senator Tom Coburn has broken ranks, noting that he'd rather see rates rise because that "will give us a greater chance to reform the tax code and broaden the base in the future."

I find that to be an absolutely appalling argument given how much further the president's proposals will squeeze the middle class.

As Fox Business Network's Gerri Willis, an expert on consumer and personal finance issues, recently pointed out to me, the average middle class tax rate is already 43.12%, according to the non-partisan Tax Foundation.

Beyond that, Willis says if we do go over the cliff, the average middle class tax burden jumps to nearly 50%.

I asked her how she came to that conclusion. I could only smile as she simply noted she'd "done the math," knowing full well that's one of the president's tax hike tag lines.

Unless Congress takes action, Willis observed, the average middle class federal rate jumps to 28% from 25% when the Bush-era cuts are allowed to expire. At the same time, payroll taxes will jump 15% from 13.3% to 15.3%.

Factor in state taxes, which average 4.82% nationwide, and that would take the total average middle class tax burden to 47.5%.

Keep in mind that doesn't include state income tax hikes, city or county taxes, many of which are on the rise no matter where you live thanks to decades of poor fiscal management.

Chances are, many middle-class earners living in states like California, Oregon, New York, New Jersey and Hawaii, for instance, will actually have substantially higher tax burdens that, practically speaking, are well in excess of 50%.

The Rocky Ground at the Bottom of the Fiscal Cliff

The real world stakes behind the debate are very high.

Case in point, the President's Council of Economic Advisors estimate that a rise in middle class taxes and the corresponding decrease in consumption would shave 1.4% off GDP, which is consistent with the signals being telegraphed from that other great oxymoron in DC, the Congressional Budget Office.

Even the president's team has estimated that consumers will spend nearly $200 billion less as a result of higher taxes alone.

Conversely, the latest GOP deal called for $800 billion in new revenue via tax reform while not increasing tax rates on the top 2% of taxpayers. It also involves limiting tax credits and capping deductions.

Naturally it was quickly rejected by the White House because it doesn't meet the "test of balance" according to White House communications director Dan Pfeiffer. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-CA, was quick to jump on the bandwagon noting that the GOP's proposal is yet "another assault on the middle class, seniors, and our future."

Exactly -an assault on the middle class.

Willis believes "that taxes shouldn't go up on anybody right now. Growth is sluggish and anemic so the prospect of tax hikes don't make sense, especially on those the president purports to protect."

I agree. What you want to do is improve growth. Do that and you have improved employment.

That, in turn, takes more people "off the dole and leads to higher receipts," Willis added.

Half of Every Dollar Earned?

But how high should taxes go, and who's going to pay them?

For some reason, corporate taxes are strangely missing from the entire discussion.

According to the United States Office of Management and Budget (OMB), the 2013 fiscal year budget calls for $237 billion in corporate income tax revenue against individual income tax revenue of $1.165 trillion.

If you add in Social Security and other payroll taxes, individuals are on the hook for more than $2 trillion in taxes, or 81.25% of all revenues the government intends to collect.

Very few corporations actually pay the often demonized 35% U.S. corporate tax rate. In fact, the average U.S. corporation pays just 12%. Many don't even pay that.

Instead they use legions of lawyers and thousands of foreign subsidiaries to pay taxes only when they bring them home and repatriate their profits. Or, they stage a tax rebellion of sorts.

Willis believes that the White House doesn't grasp the fact this is already well under way as companies like Oracle, Costco, Wal-Mart and more than 200 others rush to pay dividends early with the express purpose of avoiding tens of millions of dollars in higher taxes that presumably lie ahead in 2013.

Adding insult to injuries the struggling middle class has already sustained, what these companies are doing is "all very quiet and perfectly legal," she observed.

If only the middle class had that option.

Let's just hope it's not half of every dollar earned.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: economy; fisdcialcliff; middleclass; taxes

1 posted on 12/07/2012 7:31:26 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

I’m all for going over Barry’s “cliff” if it will get Barry’s 47% off their lazy asses and start paying their “fair share”. It’s time for the freeloaders to get “a little skin in the game”.


2 posted on 12/07/2012 7:34:47 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Don't tax me bro! Tax that guy over there!)
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To: blam

We’re going to get there eventually, let’s just go ahead and get it over with.


3 posted on 12/07/2012 7:34:52 PM PST by The Louiswu (it's all downhilll from here!!!)
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To: blam

Howard Dean says the cliff damage will only last a short time. Everyone needs to pay more, according to Howard.


4 posted on 12/07/2012 7:35:26 PM PST by griswold3 (Big Government does not tolerate rivals.)
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To: blam
It's hardly a matter of "it won't be so bad". Fact is, it will be bad. Very bad.

But it is inevitable. We will go over the cliff eventually, and it only gets worse if we delay. So let's jump. It's gonna hurt, but it's the right thing to do.

5 posted on 12/07/2012 7:38:33 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Republicans have made themselves useless, toothless, and clueless.)
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To: blam
Every lib I've ever talked to said we should all pay more taxes, a little more, our fair share and when I ask them how much more, how much is "my fair share" or what percentage of my income do I get to keep...all I hear is nothing.

IHMO this is not about having the rich, or anyone else, pay a little more taxes, it's about bringing down the rich, it's about destroying the wealth of this country by lazy brats who were just jealous of those that worked hard and made something of their lives and now, on the wrong side of 40, these petty little jerks have nothing to show, they don't have a pot to piss in, so it's time to make someone else pay, and pay we will.
6 posted on 12/07/2012 7:39:15 PM PST by The Louiswu (it's all downhilll from here!!!)
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To: blam
Except the Senate already sent a passed tax cut extension bill to the house that cuts the <=250K for 98% of taxpayers, and the House will pass the same before the end of the year, to avoid getting all the blame..

So most of this post is probably irrelevant.

Here's what the Republican House must do on taxes right now, and what will happen if they don't (SOL | 12/7/12 | sickoflibs vanity)

Obama is already threatening to veto this tax cut bill of his own so Rs better call his bluff.

7 posted on 12/07/2012 7:39:23 PM PST by sickoflibs (Has Bohner caved yet? And called it historic again?)
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To: blam
On spending cuts Nancy Pelosi said today: “You can’t cut your way out of the deficit. You have to have revenue on the table.”

That was after taking a handful of pills.

8 posted on 12/07/2012 7:41:09 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: blam

The faster they drive this country to arms, the better.


9 posted on 12/07/2012 7:42:07 PM PST by gotribe
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To: gotribe
The faster they drive this country to arms, the better.

Take it back, while there's still something left to take, and the means to do it.

10 posted on 12/07/2012 7:44:50 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: blam
The Tell-Tale Chart (Achuthan - US Recession Started In July)
11 posted on 12/07/2012 7:45:59 PM PST by blam
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To: ClearCase_guy

“...So let’s jump. It’s gonna hurt, but it’s the right thing to do.”

You’re right.

Problem is that doing the right thing is not in vogue these days in government, especially inside the Beltway.

In fact it’s somewhat shameful to do anything other than act in their own immediate self-interest.

Yep, weeese in trouble plenty.


12 posted on 12/07/2012 7:53:55 PM PST by MichaelCorleone ('We the People' can and will take this country back...starting today.)
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To: gotribe
“Doomsday Prepper” Raided By Police, FBI After Criticizing Obama


13 posted on 12/07/2012 7:57:36 PM PST by blam
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To: FlingWingFlyer
I’m all for going over Barry’s “cliff” if it will get Barry’s 47% off their lazy asses and start paying their “fair share”. It’s time for the freeloaders to get “a little skin in the game”.

Isn't it interesting that the government forbids us from feeding the animals while we are in the woods because the animals might become dependent upon us? But outside of the woods, the government feels that it is OK to feed, house, clothe, and transport humans, on a long term basis, and doesn't give a damn if those humans are becoming dependent? Do they care more about the animals than they care about the humans???

14 posted on 12/07/2012 7:59:55 PM PST by eeriegeno (<p>)
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To: blam

Any voter’s remorse yet America? Probably not from the 47%... But I think this s*cks. Maybe i should just say eff it and drop out of the workforce too, become a burden on society...


15 posted on 12/07/2012 8:15:17 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: The Louiswu
Every lib I've ever talked to said we should all pay more taxes, a little more, our fair share and when I ask them how much more, how much is "my fair share" or what percentage of my income do I get to keep...all I hear is nothing.

Well, you can credit them for some honesty in the matter...because there is no answer. There's no way to quantify it without slipping in at least one "ought."

16 posted on 12/07/2012 8:29:42 PM PST by danielmryan
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To: blam
Isn't it charming how the cops trust their snitches so much /s
17 posted on 12/07/2012 8:32:43 PM PST by danielmryan
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To: blam
What I find interesting about this article is the fact that American corporations are undertaking proactive tax planning so openly. It's almost as if the boards of directors listen to the Dem talk about "their fair share" and say, "ya, ri-i-i-ight."

Not even lip service anymore. How soon before Middle Class Joe follows suit?

18 posted on 12/07/2012 8:37:04 PM PST by danielmryan
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To: MichaelCorleone

Re “So let’s jump”. Well, if you have the right parachute and related equipment, when we go over the cliff, you will land upright on your feet.

Let the Dems/Liberals and their uneducated masses hit hard.

Nothing like getting the crap beaten out of you to make you realize that you had better get armed (with knowledge) and wake up to reality.

Otherwise Darwin will be proven right.


19 posted on 12/07/2012 11:25:52 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Barry’s 47% are the unemployed, unemployable, and indolent.

Fairness and Justice are the catch phrases used by Progressives to commit theft; and betray the Constitution. Fairness and Justice are the words I recall from Comic Book Heros - Superman, The Green Hornet, Batman, and others, brought criminals to “Justice” to make the world “Fairer”.

Progressive Democrats use the word Justice to commit a crime.

Fairness is achieved when the Democrat concludes the theft and gives a portion of what is robbed to another who promises to vote for them.

Punishing the working class/tax payers enables the Democrat to rally the Indolents to despising the people whose income is taken for their benefit. The Indolent never says thank you, or appreciates what is given them. Their greed and envy is Justified - according to Progressives. Progressives consider any difference in income is Un-Fair - whether the income is earned or stolen.

Fairness — In this theory, is only achieved when all citizens have identical spending power - regardless. If the citizen lifts a finger to earn the money, or not, is irrelevant. In this theory, the tax payer is obligated to earn enough for two families - his own and the Indolent’s. Justice is done when the Producer/Tax Payer is robbed of his total income so his spending power is reduced to the Indolent’s, and, the Indolent’s income increases to match the Producer/Tax payer - in the name of Fairness


20 posted on 12/08/2012 2:51:29 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: gotribe

Per the gun companies, they have already driven the People to arms, they just haven’t lit the fuse that makes them go “BANG!” yet.


21 posted on 12/08/2012 5:07:46 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: blam

They’ll be lucky to collect half of these new revenues. If you want less of something, tax it. So there will be less income and therefore less revenue. Law of unintended consequences. The system is dysfunctional because there is no restraint on spending. The solution isn’t revenue. The solution is spending. Going over the cliff is going to accelerate the demise of this corrupt system. The ‘Rats and GOP have sown the seeds of their own demise. Lock and load.


22 posted on 12/08/2012 5:50:14 AM PST by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: sickoflibs; blam

You are likely correct. The argument boils down to will the “rich” be forced to pay their fair share. The argument is therefore one of class warfare and not economics.

The passage will have no real positive economic impact because the amount raised is trivial compared to the impact on the total debt. There is a potential downside as “the rich” take counter measures that actually exceed the increased payments and total revenues actually decrease as a result.

.......Disclaimer......
what follows is deduced theory and not condoned practice.

The democrats all ready have the long term solution. It is cap and trade. The liberals have dug a hole from which they can’t climb out. They have incrementally given their voters the ability to pay no taxes at all. There is no way they can take back the no tax position. At least 50 % of the population is in that group of nontax payers.

The solution is to provide a tax on the nonpayers that is not a tax and that is paid unknowingly. The payment fuels hate of someone else rather than the corrupt, vote needing, democrat, politician, liars. The solution is Cap And Trade.

The tax is levied on energy producers, all energy producers, that then can raise rates to all consumers. Since the tax is uniform it does not effect rate competition and can by all be passed on with no effect on sales. When passed on it is effectively a trickle down tax. I say energy producers but I think it is mainly electricity. It is a tax on electricity sales covered with a carbon fig leaf described as first aid for man made climate change.

The real and only solution to eliminating the debt is inflation that devalues the amount owed over time. The cap and trade induced rise in energy costs will be hidden within the coming general inflation. That is, the pain and associated hatred will be mitigated somewhat by the general rise in the cost of everything.

The Cap and Trade tax trickle down is coming. That’s what it is, a trickle down consumption tax. Many have tax proposals, VAT, Fair Tax, etc that will cause the 50% of non payers to cough up their fair share. But they are all taxes and new taxes will be strongly resisted by the 50%. An indirect trickle down tax will not be understood when sold as a planet saving necessity.

The beauty is that the value of the tax is compounded. In the coming inflation, the incremental total will be increased compounded by the inflation rate. As all prices, including energy prices are increased the $ value of C&T receipts increases as well.

Since the election, two efforts have begun. The first is to renew the media attention to those insisting on the need to curb climate change. The other is the effort by unions to increase wages. Both are harbingers of inflation. Cap and trade increases costs across the board for all business. In an economy with unemployment wages do not rise. For the needed inflation, labor costs must rise and push general costs up. The wage inflation is being pushed by the unions and will lead to general wage increases in spite of high unemployment.

Then there is the no tax pledge. One must wonder if supporting cap and trade violates the pledge? Charging a fee for carbon emissions is not actually a tax. The fee is like usage fees for visiting a National Park or the ports or perhaps a toll road. For a politician, even a Republican politician, voting for a fee is not voting for a pledge prohibited tax.


23 posted on 12/08/2012 6:10:46 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: VRWC For Truth
Now They Tell Us - The economy never really got better
24 posted on 12/08/2012 7:40:29 AM PST by blam
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To: bert
RE :”The democrats all ready have the long term solution. It is cap and trade. The liberals have dug a hole from which they can’t climb out. They have incrementally given their voters the ability to pay no taxes at all. There is no way they can take back the no tax position. At least 50 % of the population is in that group of nontax payers.
The solution is to provide a tax on the nonpayers that is not a tax and that is paid unknowingly. The payment fuels hate of someone else rather than the corrupt, vote needing, democrat, politician, liars. The solution is Cap And Trade.”

That WOULD be the ideal solution for them except that they couldn't get that to O’s desk even in 2009 and 2010 with both houses even when they passed O-care, however if Republicans keep up the way they are going the Dems may have another shot in 2015,

25 posted on 12/08/2012 8:44:50 AM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: bert
RE :”Then there is the no tax pledge. One must wonder if supporting cap and trade violates the pledge? Charging a fee for carbon emissions is not actually a tax. The fee is like usage fees for visiting a National Park or the ports or perhaps a toll road. For a politician, even a Republican politician, voting for a fee is not voting for a pledge prohibited tax.”

Tax or fee, its hidden to the voters like the value-added tax so they think its the greedy energy companies gouging them.

Our lib governor O Malley played that game and won it with dumb Dem voters here, he ran in 2006 against the evil electric company charging high rates(global energy prices were high then) blaming it on the Republican governor, then got in office and announced that the high price was not really the problem, the problem was really that we were using too much.

And then he and the Dem assembly enacted into law all kinds of hidden taxes on electricity that we have to pay.

Idiot Dem voters in Maryland were too stupid to figure that out, or maybe they like high prices as long as its the government gouging then and not a business. I can believe that,

26 posted on 12/08/2012 8:59:22 AM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Thats exactly what I say. Let those 47% who voted BHO back in get a taste of their Dear Leader’s true intentions.


27 posted on 12/08/2012 9:02:37 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: sickoflibs

———that they couldn’t get that to O’s desk-—

“If at first you don’t succeed, try, try again”

In my view, the trying again is underway


28 posted on 12/08/2012 9:32:55 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: ThunderSleeps
Any voter’s remorse yet America?

Probably not. They haven't felt the pinch yet. Wait till next year when those paychecks are a little smaller and all those great tax credits disappear (the ones that gave people bigger refund welfare checks than the amount of taxes they actually paid). Then we'll see a wailing and gnashing of teeth!

I am enjoying lurking over at DU and reading posts from liberals complaining about these mean Republicans whose intransigence will force the demise of the BUSH-era tax cuts and a return to the CLINTON-era tax rates.

Sadly, if the Republicans stand on principal, the Democrats are likely to be the ones who will ride to the rescue with tax cuts for the middle class (that look surprisingly similar to those Bush-era tax cuts that everyone except the top 2% will be able to enjoy). They'll get credit for saving the middle class while putting Republicans in the uncomfortable position of either siding with the Dems or opposing a tax cut.

29 posted on 12/08/2012 9:46:56 AM PST by Drew68
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To: bert

They wont get it through the R house this coming session.

So today lib Chris Hayes was calling on the Obama EPA to use its powers to further regulate carbon emissions CO2 under the Clean Air Act. He was saying again that energy prices are way too low now and that is bad and the EPA should raise them using regulations.

That is his pet issue, climate change.


30 posted on 12/08/2012 10:05:20 AM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: sickoflibs

Climate change is the beard, the fig leaf for cap and trade.

Continuing to tell the big lie over and over and over makes it believable.


31 posted on 12/08/2012 10:52:11 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: blam

They might as well raid half the homes in the U.S.!


32 posted on 12/08/2012 5:46:41 PM PST by gotribe
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