Skip to comments.Everything You Need To Know About The Black Boxes Coming To Your Next Car
Posted on 12/07/2012 7:40:36 PM PST by Jyotishi
It's looking very likely that a bill in Congress that will make mandatory the use of "black boxes" more formally, Event Data Recorders (EDR) will become law soon. These are little computers clad in rugged casings that record data from your car's various sensors and computers to use for accident investigation and, very likely, other uses.
There's lots of privacy concerns around this new bill, and lots of questions as to exactly what that little boxy black snitch is snooping on. Plus, what about the voluntary black boxes some insurance carriers are offering? Let's see what we can clear up.
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Congress may be able to mandate the car companies install them. However, they can’t mandate that we not remove them.
Tyranny marches on.
I don’t like the EDR’s. How long before if not already, they record how fast you have been driving even without an accident. Such as getting ot the point where you get pulled over, a cop plugs into your EDR and downloads the data and then traffic tickets are written based on the data.
True, but be prepared to find that they've been made an integral part of your vehicle's electrical and computer systems. Remove them, and you may end up disabling the car.
“However, they cant mandate that we not remove them.”
I will bet you the price of the car that the vehicle is disabled and won’t start if the black box is tampered with or removed. Sort of like the anti-lock brakes that when broken or unplugged, disable the vehicle from running at all.
All roads will have tolls, tracking, etc. Where use of EDR will 'allow' ya to drive on said roads.
Chief Justice will allow them to “tax” you if you do under the all-powerful taxing clause. /sarc
Chief Justice Roberts, I mean.
I see a new business opportunity - replacement black boxes. Probably expensive and difficult but... Or maybe something that you plug the wiring harness into, then plug into the black box, and it feeds it bogus or scaled data... But that would probably mess up engine management... Best bet, aftermarket simplified, standardized black boxes...
92% of all new vehicles have them already.
Guess I better stock pile cars with out BB’s like I do ammunition.
Since I don’t drive cars newer than 10 yrs old, it will be 2022 or later before the benign and beneficent merciful government begins to track my movements.
And then they’d better put it in a pretty durable place, so that I don’t accidentally scrape it off on a handheld electric grinder spinning spontaneously in the middle of the road.
I’d bet if you remove it the car won’t work. Computer systems are tied together. You remove something from the bus (aka network) and it all shuts down.
Then, don’t buy em. Go used or foreign and get them shipped here. Screw the feds.
I’d like to think that they would overwrite data more than, say, twelve hours old. With that in mind, I wouldn’t object. Especially if it mught lower my insurance premiums. Though I can also readily see that it would individually depend on what kind of driver one really is.
According to the Bosch link, they are all "last 30 seconds" recorders of various data pertaining to crashes. The recorders do seem to pick up "child safety" data, which in some states might trigger snooping into our failure to follow the state's incomprehensible formulae defining which new and expensive car seat your children must be sitting in until they are married.
In my copy of the Constitution 1.0, I can't find anything granting Congress the power to require such a thing for a cockroach, never mind an American citizen. Is a majority of the House really on board with this lunacy?
wont be long theyll require these up everybodys butt, that way they can adminiter Obamacare by sattelite
You do understand that the primary purpose of these “black boxes” is to generate data for use by the government for the purpose of calculating “energy taxes” that will be coming down the pike sooner or later, right?
Merely more loss of freedom under the guise of everyone being safer...for the collective good.
And in other news, the price of older used vehicles unexpectedly rises!
It is on board but meant to protect the consumer and provide real time crash data to engineers. It is not supposed to be provided for criminal investigation, we all know where it is going.
What could possibly go wrong?
Thanks for this thread. I now know that my 11 year old truck has one but my 21 year old car does not.
Progressive Insurance offered discounts to their customers if they put their black box in. Trouble is Progressive owned the data. I don’t know if they still have that offer. They were doing it in 2004.
Build your own car.
Get a serviceable older vehicle, strip out the gratuitous electronics and isolate the modern ignition and fuel injection. Rewire the body electrics back to analog.
You don’t need a computer to make your brake-lights work.
You could take a modern pickup chassis and build almost anything up on it including an antique pickup or car.
I saw a nice 36 Ford truck cab and fenders begging to be transplanted on a modern F250 chassis. Somebody around here put a 39 Ford sedan delivery on an S10 frame...with a small block.
That way you can get the benefit of modern brakes, suspension and power train with the cool look of your favorite ride.
Then there’s kit cars.
Did some checking around. A bunch of insurance companies are now offering those boxes to the sheep. short video at link.
snip.. “Something that’s unique about Drivewise is that it’s a behavior device, it allows you to improve your behavior,” said Herndon.
Allstate gives you a Web Portal where it shows you a letter grade, our volunteer scored a C-. Along with individual scores on your mileage, the time of day you’re driving, your braking patters and speed.
So, according to the article, the car owner “owns” the data. If it’s my data to own, it’s also my data to destroy at my discretion, no?
they'll steal that little pleasure on me....
I remember hearing that your Social Security Number would never be used for identification. We all see where that went.
“Is a majority of the House really on board with this lunacy?”
Sorry...lights on but nobody’s home.
Don’t buy a new car. I have a 10 yo truck and I’m keeping it until our Republic returns.
Very good advice..folks wont be trapped if they don’t take the bait.
I think some nerd hero will quickly step forth to offer a solution to that problem with a hardware based “black box emulator.”
So in response they’ll make it a felony to tamper with your vehicle’s computer.
If you live in a state the imposes mandatory annual smog checks, you can plan on a test of the BB being part of the inspection. If the BB doesn't pass, you don't pass the test. No pass, no registration. You're grounded.
I read the article, but can’t understand - why would any congressman vote for this? What’s in it for them?
>>”Such as getting ot the point where you get pulled over, a cop plugs into your EDR and downloads the data and then traffic tickets are written based on the data.”
Or gather it through a wireless connection without your knowledge.
I actually still possess an SS card that says “Not to be used for Identification” on it. A quaint relic from a more sane era.
It would be insanity if these black boxes would record your speed and the GPS coordinates for that speed. Then the traffic cop plugs in and for every location you went over the speed limit, you get fined. Perhaps if there were enough incidences of speed violations, the cop could summarily execute you on the spot and confiscate your car.
My uncle has a country place
That no one knows about.
He says it used to be a farm,
Before the Motor Law.
And on Sundays I elude the Eyes,
And hop the Turbine Freight
To far outside the Wire,
Where my white-haired uncle waits.
Jump to the ground
As the Turbo slows to cross the Borderline.
Run like the wind,
As excitement shivers up and down my spine.
Down in his barn,
My uncle preserved for me an old machine,
For fifty-odd years.
To keep it as new has been his dearest dream.
I strip away the old debris
That hides a shining car.
A brilliant red Barchetta
From a better, vanished time.
I fire up the willing engine,
Responding with a roar.
Tires spitting gravel,
I commit my weekly crime...
In my hair-
Shifting and drifting-
Hot metal and oil,
The scented country air.
Sunlight on chrome,
The blur of the landscape,
Every nerve aware.
Suddenly ahead of me,
Across the mountainside,
A gleaming alloy air-car
Shoots towards me, two lanes wide.
I spin around with shrieking tires,
To run the deadly race,
Go screaming through the valley
As another joins the chase.
Drive like the wind,
Straining the limits of machine and man.
Laughing out loud
With fear and hope, I’ve got a desperate plan.
At the one-lane bridge
I leave the giants stranded at the riverside.
Race back to the farm, to dream with my uncle at the fireside
That sounds like Nixons opinion of the white house tapes . . .
sky net is on its way
I’d never do business with any company with “progressive” in their title.
Great! Another post of a poem without title or author...