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Everything You Need To Know About The Black Boxes Coming To Your Next Car
Jalopnik ^ | Friday, December 7, 2012 | Jason Torchinsky

Posted on 12/07/2012 7:40:36 PM PST by Jyotishi

It's looking very likely that a bill in Congress that will make mandatory the use of "black boxes"— more formally, Event Data Recorders (EDR) — will become law soon. These are little computers clad in rugged casings that record data from your car's various sensors and computers to use for accident investigation and, very likely, other uses.

There's lots of privacy concerns around this new bill, and lots of questions as to exactly what that little boxy black snitch is snooping on. Plus, what about the voluntary black boxes some insurance carriers are offering? Let's see what we can clear up.

(Excerpt) Read more at jalopnik.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: automobile; congress; legal; privacy
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1 posted on 12/07/2012 7:40:40 PM PST by Jyotishi
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To: Jyotishi
law enforcement agencies will normally need a warrant to get the data

It's comforting to know that. [/s]

2 posted on 12/07/2012 7:49:51 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Republicans have made themselves useless, toothless, and clueless.)
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To: Jyotishi

Congress may be able to mandate the car companies install them. However, they can’t mandate that we not remove them.


3 posted on 12/07/2012 7:51:32 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Jyotishi

Tyranny marches on.


4 posted on 12/07/2012 7:51:59 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Jyotishi

I don’t like the EDR’s. How long before if not already, they record how fast you have been driving even without an accident. Such as getting ot the point where you get pulled over, a cop plugs into your EDR and downloads the data and then traffic tickets are written based on the data.


5 posted on 12/07/2012 7:55:21 PM PST by CORedneck
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To: Boogieman
Congress may be able to mandate the car companies install them. However, they can’t mandate that we not remove them.

True, but be prepared to find that they've been made an integral part of your vehicle's electrical and computer systems. Remove them, and you may end up disabling the car.

6 posted on 12/07/2012 7:56:07 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: Boogieman

“However, they can’t mandate that we not remove them.”

I will bet you the price of the car that the vehicle is disabled and won’t start if the black box is tampered with or removed. Sort of like the anti-lock brakes that when broken or unplugged, disable the vehicle from running at all.


7 posted on 12/07/2012 8:04:36 PM PST by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: CORedneck
Of course. Drones will be flying in the future that use some form of mandatory 'off' switch that will turn of your vehicle that has a mandatory EDR chip inside.

All roads will have tolls, tracking, etc. Where use of EDR will 'allow' ya to drive on said roads.

8 posted on 12/07/2012 8:06:34 PM PST by Theoria (Romney is a Pyrrhic victory.)
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To: Boogieman

Chief Justice will allow them to “tax” you if you do under the all-powerful taxing clause. /sarc


9 posted on 12/07/2012 8:09:13 PM PST by ConjunctionJunction
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To: ConjunctionJunction

Chief Justice Roberts, I mean.


10 posted on 12/07/2012 8:09:47 PM PST by ConjunctionJunction
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To: Alex Murphy

I see a new business opportunity - replacement black boxes. Probably expensive and difficult but... Or maybe something that you plug the wiring harness into, then plug into the black box, and it feeds it bogus or scaled data... But that would probably mess up engine management... Best bet, aftermarket simplified, standardized black boxes...


11 posted on 12/07/2012 8:10:20 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Jyotishi

92% of all new vehicles have them already.


12 posted on 12/07/2012 8:12:03 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: Jyotishi

Guess I better stock pile cars with out BB’s like I do ammunition.


13 posted on 12/07/2012 8:13:01 PM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: Jyotishi

Since I don’t drive cars newer than 10 yrs old, it will be 2022 or later before the benign and beneficent merciful government begins to track my movements.

And then they’d better put it in a pretty durable place, so that I don’t accidentally scrape it off on a handheld electric grinder spinning spontaneously in the middle of the road.


14 posted on 12/07/2012 8:14:53 PM PST by lurk
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To: Boogieman

I’d bet if you remove it the car won’t work. Computer systems are tied together. You remove something from the bus (aka network) and it all shuts down.


15 posted on 12/07/2012 8:15:38 PM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: Boogieman
However, they can’t mandate that we not remove them.

Oh, yeah?

16 posted on 12/07/2012 8:16:35 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: George from New England

Then, don’t buy em. Go used or foreign and get them shipped here. Screw the feds.


17 posted on 12/07/2012 8:16:42 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: CORedneck

I’d like to think that they would overwrite data more than, say, twelve hours old. With that in mind, I wouldn’t object. Especially if it mught lower my insurance premiums. Though I can also readily see that it would individually depend on what kind of driver one really is.


18 posted on 12/07/2012 8:18:04 PM PST by onedoug
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To: eyedigress
92% of all new vehicles have them already.

According to the Bosch link, they are all "last 30 seconds" recorders of various data pertaining to crashes. The recorders do seem to pick up "child safety" data, which in some states might trigger snooping into our failure to follow the state's incomprehensible formulae defining which new and expensive car seat your children must be sitting in until they are married.

In my copy of the Constitution 1.0, I can't find anything granting Congress the power to require such a thing for a cockroach, never mind an American citizen. Is a majority of the House really on board with this lunacy?

19 posted on 12/07/2012 8:21:36 PM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: Jyotishi

wont be long theyll require these up everybodys butt, that way they can adminiter Obamacare by sattelite


20 posted on 12/07/2012 8:21:36 PM PST by KTM rider ( , you'd be lucky to get $7....LOL !)
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To: CORedneck

You do understand that the primary purpose of these “black boxes” is to generate data for use by the government for the purpose of calculating “energy taxes” that will be coming down the pike sooner or later, right?


21 posted on 12/07/2012 8:22:36 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: onedoug

Merely more loss of freedom under the guise of everyone being safer...for the collective good.


22 posted on 12/07/2012 8:24:09 PM PST by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: George from New England

And in other news, the price of older used vehicles unexpectedly rises!


23 posted on 12/07/2012 8:24:16 PM PST by joesjane ((The strength of the pack is the wolf - Rudyard Kipling))
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To: Jyotishi
They ain't coming to my next car...
24 posted on 12/07/2012 8:27:32 PM PST by montanajoe
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To: SamuraiScot

It is on board but meant to protect the consumer and provide real time crash data to engineers. It is not supposed to be provided for criminal investigation, we all know where it is going.


25 posted on 12/07/2012 8:28:41 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: Jyotishi

What could possibly go wrong?


27 posted on 12/07/2012 8:36:46 PM PST by mykroar (BAD-ANON: One Game At A Time)
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To: Jyotishi

Thanks for this thread. I now know that my 11 year old truck has one but my 21 year old car does not.


28 posted on 12/07/2012 8:41:46 PM PST by Roccus
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Progressive Insurance offered discounts to their customers if they put their black box in. Trouble is Progressive owned the data. I don’t know if they still have that offer. They were doing it in 2004.


29 posted on 12/07/2012 8:47:41 PM PST by fudimo
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To: Jyotishi
what cars DON'T have them??? every car i've owned since 1994 has had one...
30 posted on 12/07/2012 8:50:29 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Jyotishi

Build your own car.

Get a serviceable older vehicle, strip out the gratuitous electronics and isolate the modern ignition and fuel injection. Rewire the body electrics back to analog.

You don’t need a computer to make your brake-lights work.

You could take a modern pickup chassis and build almost anything up on it including an antique pickup or car.

I saw a nice 36 Ford truck cab and fenders begging to be transplanted on a modern F250 chassis. Somebody around here put a 39 Ford sedan delivery on an S10 frame...with a small block.

That way you can get the benefit of modern brakes, suspension and power train with the cool look of your favorite ride.

Then there’s kit cars.


31 posted on 12/07/2012 8:59:19 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: fudimo

Did some checking around. A bunch of insurance companies are now offering those boxes to the sheep. short video at link.

http://www.winknews.com/Call-for-Action/2012-11-21/Call-For-Action-test-data-logging-devices#.UMLHjnf5Wx0

snip.. “Something that’s unique about Drivewise is that it’s a behavior device, it allows you to improve your behavior,” said Herndon.

Allstate gives you a Web Portal where it shows you a letter grade, our volunteer scored a C-. Along with individual scores on your mileage, the time of day you’re driving, your braking patters and speed.


32 posted on 12/07/2012 9:07:51 PM PST by fudimo
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To: Jyotishi

So, according to the article, the car owner “owns” the data. If it’s my data to own, it’s also my data to destroy at my discretion, no?


33 posted on 12/07/2012 9:19:25 PM PST by Jim Hill
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To: CORedneck
I value my privacy, my aloneness...often, I'll get in the car and go driving out in the country, on back roads if I can find them...

they'll steal that little pleasure on me....

34 posted on 12/07/2012 9:22:34 PM PST by cherry
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To: Jyotishi

I remember hearing that your Social Security Number would never be used for identification. We all see where that went.


35 posted on 12/07/2012 9:23:05 PM PST by printhead (Standard & Poor - Poor is the new standard.)
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To: SamuraiScot

“Is a majority of the House really on board with this lunacy?”

Sorry...lights on but nobody’s home.


36 posted on 12/07/2012 9:29:29 PM PST by MichaelCorleone ('We the People' can and will take this country back...starting today.)
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To: Jyotishi

Don’t buy a new car. I have a 10 yo truck and I’m keeping it until our Republic returns.


37 posted on 12/07/2012 9:32:26 PM PST by Dapper 26
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Very good advice..folks wont be trapped if they don’t take the bait.


38 posted on 12/07/2012 9:32:59 PM PST by montanajoe
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To: George from New England

I think some nerd hero will quickly step forth to offer a solution to that problem with a hardware based “black box emulator.”

So in response they’ll make it a felony to tamper with your vehicle’s computer.


39 posted on 12/07/2012 10:07:27 PM PST by Freeeedooomm
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To: Boogieman
Congress may be able to mandate the car companies install them. However, they can’t mandate that we not remove them.

If you live in a state the imposes mandatory annual smog checks, you can plan on a test of the BB being part of the inspection. If the BB doesn't pass, you don't pass the test. No pass, no registration. You're grounded.

40 posted on 12/07/2012 10:17:53 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Jyotishi

I read the article, but can’t understand - why would any congressman vote for this? What’s in it for them?


41 posted on 12/07/2012 10:28:45 PM PST by PGR88
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To: CORedneck

>>”Such as getting ot the point where you get pulled over, a cop plugs into your EDR and downloads the data and then traffic tickets are written based on the data.”

Or gather it through a wireless connection without your knowledge.


42 posted on 12/07/2012 11:34:44 PM PST by Only1choice____Freedom (As long as America's tolerence of failure is not overwhelmed by a desire to succeed, we will fail.)
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To: printhead

I actually still possess an SS card that says “Not to be used for Identification” on it. A quaint relic from a more sane era.


43 posted on 12/07/2012 11:47:25 PM PST by Cololeo
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To: PGR88

POWER!


44 posted on 12/07/2012 11:48:51 PM PST by Cololeo
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To: Jyotishi

It would be insanity if these black boxes would record your speed and the GPS coordinates for that speed. Then the traffic cop plugs in and for every location you went over the speed limit, you get fined. Perhaps if there were enough incidences of speed violations, the cop could summarily execute you on the spot and confiscate your car.


45 posted on 12/08/2012 12:58:55 AM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: cherry

My uncle has a country place
That no one knows about.
He says it used to be a farm,
Before the Motor Law.
And on Sundays I elude the Eyes,
And hop the Turbine Freight
To far outside the Wire,
Where my white-haired uncle waits.

Jump to the ground
As the Turbo slows to cross the Borderline.
Run like the wind,
As excitement shivers up and down my spine.
Down in his barn,
My uncle preserved for me an old machine,
For fifty-odd years.
To keep it as new has been his dearest dream.

I strip away the old debris
That hides a shining car.
A brilliant red Barchetta
From a better, vanished time.
I fire up the willing engine,
Responding with a roar.
Tires spitting gravel,
I commit my weekly crime...

Wind-
In my hair-
Shifting and drifting-
Mechanical music-
Adrenalin surge...

Well-weathered leather,
Hot metal and oil,
The scented country air.
Sunlight on chrome,
The blur of the landscape,
Every nerve aware.

Suddenly ahead of me,
Across the mountainside,
A gleaming alloy air-car
Shoots towards me, two lanes wide.
I spin around with shrieking tires,
To run the deadly race,
Go screaming through the valley
As another joins the chase.

Drive like the wind,
Straining the limits of machine and man.
Laughing out loud
With fear and hope, I’ve got a desperate plan.
At the one-lane bridge
I leave the giants stranded at the riverside.
Race back to the farm, to dream with my uncle at the fireside


46 posted on 12/08/2012 1:47:19 AM PST by Rastus
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To: Jim Hill
So, according to the article, the car owner “owns” the data. If it’s my data to own, it’s also my data to destroy at my discretion, no?
That sounds like Nixon’s opinion of the white house tapes . . .

47 posted on 12/08/2012 2:34:30 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which “liberalism" coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: Jyotishi

http://diydrones.com/profiles/blogs/ted-talk-on-u-penn-swarming-quads-now-live
sky net is on its way


48 posted on 12/08/2012 4:07:50 AM PST by ronnie raygun (bb)
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To: fudimo

I’d never do business with any company with “progressive” in their title.


49 posted on 12/08/2012 4:37:19 AM PST by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: Rastus

Great! Another post of a poem without title or author...


50 posted on 12/08/2012 4:56:11 AM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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