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An Elegy for Two Once-Divine Female Critics
The American Thinker ^ | December 8, 2012 | Robert Oscar Lopez

Posted on 12/08/2012 2:20:37 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

As recently as five years ago, I counted Ann Coulter and Camille Paglia among my favorite authors, and my guiltiest but most delicious reading pleasures............

.......................It's Paglia that has lost the ability to understand feminine complexity. As she has turned sourer in the last few years, I have tried to psychologize her Orphic descent from edginess to banality. I can't reduce the problem to a simple case of self-pitying bitterness, though she does write, "Paradoxically, a key problem with the current youth cult, which is devouring both entertainment and fashion, is that aging women have become progressively invisible." It seems that Paglia has trouble understanding that Taylor Swift, and many of the other women Paglia derides, are not vain old women trying to pass as young. They are really young, and it's their turn now. They are from a different generation and don't want the faux, fruitless feminism of the second wave.

Which brings me to Ann Coulter......................

........... But whichever way you choose to dissect the situation, the fact is that people born after 1980, as a whole, aren't buying what Romney -- and increasingly, Ann -- tried to sell them in 2012. They are one generation, not several generations separated by race, so we have to analyze them as an organic whole.

Whatever happens to Ann and Camille, one thing is clear: it's time for a new generation of critics. Whatever transpired in the case of Laura Ingraham, I must say I respect her immensely for stepping away from the radio mic for a while. It is a natural thing for life to move in cycles, for older generations to quiet down and soften. There are new ideas out there. I'm all ears.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: coulter; elections; message; messenger; paglia; politics
A full read of the article is necessary to understand his evaluation and conclusions.
1 posted on 12/08/2012 2:20:50 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Been there, done that. Camille is just getting old and dated. Reminds me of the Reagan era feminists. She’s just having a Gloria Steinem ‘late in life’ revelation and she sees more road behind her then in front of her.

Ann is still Ann. She dissapointed me this year by trying to throw her weight behind Mitt. Ann became Ann during the Clinton administration sex scandals. I swear I can pinpoint the exact moment when she broke away from trying to be a lamestream commentator and opinion presenter to her “I’ll say things just as outrageous as the liberals do”. Good for her.


2 posted on 12/08/2012 2:49:03 AM PST by Usagi_yo
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I could care less what all three of them say. I have nothing in common with any of them. I wouldn’t know taylor swift if she showed up at my foor and told me who she was. I can maybe forgive paglia. She’s been through an awful lot. I will never forgive ann coulter for her betrayal and her cattiness, but I was never that fond of her in the first place.
As for the ‘new generation’ and the ‘fresh ideas’, I have two words. Phyliss Schlafly.


3 posted on 12/08/2012 2:57:03 AM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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To: MestaMachine

I know, What’s a foor? Oh, well.


4 posted on 12/08/2012 3:04:51 AM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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To: Usagi_yo

“Ann is still Ann. She dissapointed me this year by trying to throw her weight behind Mitt

Not for nothing, Ann Coulter probaly weighs about 90 pounds soaking wet.

The author of this piece was way too full of himself, Camille and Ann could both run circles around him.

But he did make me want to watch Calamity Jane and Singing in the Rain. Ive never actually seen singng in the rain all the way through and I think we’ve got it on DVD, so that might be a saturday night movie plan.


5 posted on 12/08/2012 3:19:21 AM PST by jocon307
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To: MestaMachine

I wish Taylor Swift would show up at my door.


6 posted on 12/08/2012 3:34:56 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: MestaMachine; All

“....................................So the bottom line is this: Just to make up the racial swing in the popular vote, the GOP would have had to double their gains among independents, winning 56 percent.

How many hundreds of millions would conservatives and Republicans have to give the consultants to pull that rabbit out of the hat? If we know anything about how consultant operate, they’ll let us know soon enough.

Here’s a terrifying idea for Republican politicians, pollsters, pundits and voters to think about: The 2012 presidential election was effectively over as quickly as it began because the Republican consulting class’ reasoning — and, thereby, entire strategy — was based on denying that 2008 ever happened.

Meanwhile, in the real world, the ethnic makeup of this land is changing, and will continue to change, just as it has since before the United States was founded. Simply put, Spanish-language ads and Facebook updates are helpful, but Republicans have a choice to either make a genuine, long-term, and concerted effort to reach out to minority voters, or to follow the consultants’ lead and find shelter in demographic delusions.

Which pill the GOP will swallow likely depends on who is put in charge of explaining to the donors and politicians the cold blast of reality on Nov. 6, 2012. If it is the folks who rely on data, the GOP may have a future in this country. But if the same folks who ran the 2012 campaigns are in charge of explaining what went wrong — as they would surely like to be — the GOP’s flag is headed for the ash heap of history, and conservatives and libertarians will have to find another banner.”

http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/08/how-consultants-lost-the-election-as-soon-as-it-began/


7 posted on 12/08/2012 3:50:14 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: jocon307
...so that might be a saturday night movie plan.

Especially this weekend, when there is so damned little out there that is new. Everyone and everything has come to a stop, waiting on Christmas Week.

Meanwhile, it's all November rissoles.

8 posted on 12/08/2012 4:01:40 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
........... But whichever way you choose to dissect the situation, the fact is that people born after 1980, as a whole, aren't buying what Romney -- and increasingly, Ann -- tried to sell them in 2012. They are one generation, not several generations separated by race, so we have to analyze them as an organic whole.

His whole premise is false. People born after 1980, unless raised to believe differently, are victims of the diversity pimps who see themselves as form of hyphenated American or another.

9 posted on 12/08/2012 4:21:15 AM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Who cares what the Whig Party does? It is time for a SECOND political force to counter the totalitarian hold that the LIBs and thier enablers.Ironically, it is 9bambi himself who has told us what to do: “Get in their face”. No Mr. nice Guy; no playing by some rules; and no silence.

Every time the LIBs hold near-totalitarian power, we find ourselves in a war. WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, evan Iraq and Afghanistan could not have happened without the LIBs.


10 posted on 12/08/2012 4:31:52 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: MestaMachine

How much less could you care?


11 posted on 12/08/2012 4:38:16 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: Usagi_yo
I've read everything Camille has ever written. She has always been rude about white-bread women like Doris Day and Sandra Dee while promoting the European and hispanic film beauties. Personally, I think they are all wonderful. But, I too, get sick of the vapid actresses of modern day moviemaking. When you grow up with actresses like Rita Hayworth and Ava Gardner and Catherine Deneuve, it's hard to appreciate Taylor Swift.

Where Camille went off the track was in 2001 when she didn't see 9/11 as the cataclysmic event that it was. She had always been an Arabist (a student of Edward Said) and this act of horror seemed to catch her unawares. She's never recovered from that day.

12 posted on 12/08/2012 4:50:07 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
It feels positively nightmarish to survivors like me of that rigidly conformist and man-pleasing era, when girls had to be simple, peppy, cheerful and modest. Doris Day, Debbie Reynolds and Sandra Dee formed the national template -- that trinity of blond oppressors!

I note he makes no attempt to defend Sandra. LOL

13 posted on 12/08/2012 4:56:02 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: miss marmelstein; Deb

Are you two related?


14 posted on 12/08/2012 5:05:55 AM PST by KC Burke (Plain Conservative opinions and common sense correction for thirteen years. RSC)
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To: Sherman Logan

I love Sandra Dee. She was incredibly pretty. And no less a hipster than Bobby Darin agreed with me.


15 posted on 12/08/2012 5:15:51 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: KC Burke

No!!!!!


16 posted on 12/08/2012 5:20:51 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: miss marmelstein

From me, that question should be taken as a very high compliment.

Your post had some elements she has commented on previously.


17 posted on 12/08/2012 5:32:52 AM PST by KC Burke (Plain Conservative opinions and common sense correction for thirteen years. RSC)
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To: KC Burke

Oh. I checked some of her remarks and they didn’t sound like me at all. I love the great Sarah Palin!!!


18 posted on 12/08/2012 5:35:22 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: miss marmelstein

Political issues aside. She knows more about Hollywood than you can imagine.

I used to get along very well with OWK and he and I hardly ever agreed about political thought.


19 posted on 12/08/2012 5:49:21 AM PST by KC Burke (Plain Conservative opinions and common sense correction for thirteen years. RSC)
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To: miss marmelstein

When you grow up with actresses like Rita Hayworth and Ava Gardner and Catherine Deneuve, it’s hard to appreciate Taylor Swift


Even if you didn’t grow up with these stars, it’s easy to watch a movie like Cleopatra and see that they just don’t make ‘em like that anymore. Virtually no major actress on the scene today could pull of the title role like Elizabeth Taylor could. Not really any Richard Burtons left on the male side either. And this from someone who did not grow up in the Golden Era of Hollywood.


20 posted on 12/08/2012 6:24:49 AM PST by garbanzo (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine)
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To: A.A. Cunningham; MestaMachine
How much less could you care?

He could care less, but he would have to be dead. :-)

21 posted on 12/08/2012 6:59:43 AM PST by NurdlyPeon (New tag line in progress.)
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To: garbanzo
And it's just been proven with Lindsay Lohan as Elizabeth!

Once the film industry was opened up to ordinary-looking people (and actors no longer had to prettify their real names), it seemed to usher in the complete collapse of glamor in film.

As I write this, I'm watching a Carole Lombard movie and kvelling at her beauty and acting chops. Taylor Swift: eat your heart out!

22 posted on 12/08/2012 7:14:54 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: fieldmarshaldj
I wish Taylor Swift would show up at my door.

Or my foor for that matter ...

23 posted on 12/08/2012 7:21:19 AM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: KC Burke

My interest in Sarah Palin goes well beyond politics. What Camille Paglia calls “sexual persona” is what fascinates me. She is the first female politician who was inordinately sexy; I believe this is what set off the clamor against her. I can still remember my shock when Christopher Hitchens deplored “her swinging hips” in the pages of Vanity Fair. I was celebrating it! Then we met her husband who also had charisma and sexiness. These two had to be stopped by dull, corporate Washington. I’m still hoping for their comback.


24 posted on 12/08/2012 7:22:36 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: NurdlyPeon

She.


25 posted on 12/08/2012 7:56:12 AM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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To: miss marmelstein

I agree with you. Sarah is the epitome of an American woman.


26 posted on 12/08/2012 7:58:42 AM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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To: miss marmelstein
Paglia sometimes had a few interesting things to say. Very few--and Drudge and Rush would always make sure that those little bits got heard. The rest of her stuff is just darn aging silly lesbianism...so she's just not that HOT anymore. Ha Ha.

I thought Lopez's point about Doris Day, a big talent and gorgeous well into her maturity, was well-taken, although I never thought Calamity Jane was remotely "transgendered"--Lopez is applying his own life-view of having two mommies to this take. Doris Day was not remotely "butch" in Calimity Jane. The sharp-shooting comedic tomboy Jane was twice as alive as her insipid "feminine" rival in the movie. When Jane cleans up and puts on a dress she's twice as pretty as her rival. Watch the movie, it's darn good. Howard Keel is dynamite...

27 posted on 12/08/2012 8:01:45 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: NTHockey

I call the GOP the Washington Generals.


28 posted on 12/08/2012 8:06:28 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: miss marmelstein
People never noticed how modestly Sarah dressed because they were so wowed by her powerhouse femininity. And how *men* seemed to hate her for that! That was so bizarre! The reaction of men to Sarah Palin was like a litmus test. Men who hated her were really awful, unhealhy l sorts of men. I remember one guy who went off on her supposed "trailer park trash" image, and this guy married real trash, a woman with several baby daddies in her life. Sarah Palin was like one of those ink-blot tests...

I miss her badly. I miss that red leather zipped jacket she wore, and her neat skirts that went to just above the knee. I miss the bouffant updo, her glasses and that picture of her changing out of her running shoes and into her high-heeled red patent open-toes...

Could Sarah Palin go work with Jim Demint at Heritage maybe, and help us start a new America Party?

29 posted on 12/08/2012 8:08:29 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle

Well, Sarah didn’t always dress modestly. I can remember the crazed reaction at FR when a photo of her wearing a white jersey-like blouse was published. Some people here wanted to brand her with a scarlet “A”. I loved it! In the immortal words of Zero Mostel (or Mel Brooks): “If you got it, flaunt it, baby, flaunt it!”


30 posted on 12/08/2012 8:12:32 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: miss marmelstein
Well, sometime compare what Sarah wore to what the Fox babes wear on their "business" programs. Sometimes I'm just shocked at what they do with the "leg chair"--

I haven't seen the white blouse, and I loved her fashions during the 2008 election (I remember when the left lost their minds when $150K was spent to dress the middle-class Palin family, making it even harder to take the awful and extravagant get up of the linebacker Moochelle). Most of the outfits fit her very nicely, but I don't remember any that flashed skin.

31 posted on 12/08/2012 8:22:39 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle

I was hoping someone would post the famous white blouse photo. It’s...shall we say...formfitting. Usually the men at FR like it - some of the women get very puritanical about it. Of course, now that I’ve oversold it, you will think it’s completely boring!


32 posted on 12/08/2012 8:34:21 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: miss marmelstein
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1285570/Boob-job-internet-rumours-rife-Sarah-Palin-steps-tight-fitting-T-shirt.html

Is this it?

Think this might be for a hot day with outside activities. It may be hard for Sarah just to dress for the weather when she's got so much going for her; it attracts attention. And I say that with an amazing lack of envy.

33 posted on 12/08/2012 8:40:15 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: miss marmelstein

I guess I’ve got my catty streak like any woman, but my reaction to Sarah Palin was always about admiration. Kind of, “when I grow up I want to be just like her.” Even though I’m older than she. It was a crushing disappointment to watch her get out of politics and, really, out of public life.


34 posted on 12/08/2012 8:48:53 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
the Republican consulting class’ reasoning — and, thereby, entire strategy — was based on denying that 2008 ever happened.

Mark my words, 2016 will be a repeat. Like liberals everywhere, they never learn.

35 posted on 12/08/2012 9:27:16 AM PST by Graybeard58 ("Civil rights” leader and MSNB-Hee Haw host Al Sharpton - Larry Elder)
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To: Mamzelle

That’s it. It’s a very clingy shirt and given the angle, it probably emphasized her breasts. But it’s a great shot, anyway.

I’ve always admired beauty in women and refuse to get jealous about it. Beauty is so rare in this world that we need to celebrate it rather than denigrating.


36 posted on 12/08/2012 10:33:24 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: Usagi_yo
Although in 2005, Ann was seemingly not yet on the homosexual bandwagon.

"Gov. Mitt Romney will never recover from his acquiescence to the Massachusetts Supreme Court's miraculous discovery of a right to gay marriage."

By 2006 she was supporting him for president.

Coulter has more than a half decade invested in Mitt Romney.

37 posted on 12/08/2012 10:40:38 AM PST by ansel12 (A.Coulter2005(truncated)Romney will never recover from his Court's create of a right to gay marriage)
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To: Mamzelle
It was a crushing disappointment to watch her get out of politics and, really, out of public life.

Palin isn't out of politics, in 2010 she was the single most important player of either party, and in 2012, she was the most successful individual in GOP politics, aside from her other endorsements and campaigning, she gave us Senator Ted Cruz over Dewhurst, and she gave us our only Senate pick up in Deb Fischer, over Senator Bob Kerry for an open seat held by the democrats.

38 posted on 12/08/2012 10:55:15 AM PST by ansel12 (A.Coulter2005(truncated)Romney will never recover from his Court's create of a right to gay marriage)
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To: jocon307

I agree with him about Ann Coulter, she is a washed up has been, 6 years of her slobbering over Romney has revealed too much.

Coulter has built a 6 year high wall between her and conservatism and rational thought.

“”Which brings me to Ann Coulter. After trumpeting Mitt Romney to conservatives for a year, her sharpness has dulled. Pessimistic and out of ideas, she gets even Laura Ingraham to say tha she is “demoralized.” Ann is convinced that America is lost forever because Mitt, as she told Laura Ingraham, was a “magnificent candidate.”
Thus reads the text box inside my head as I listen to Ann clinging to the mystique of robotic, multiple-mansion-dwelling, and squiggly-as-spaghetti Romney as the man that any sane conservative should be leaping for joy to elect: “Earth to Ann! We’re just not that into him. He was a bad choice. He was squishy and all he did was talk about Bain Capital at choreographed cheerleading conventions, always in the swing states.””


39 posted on 12/08/2012 11:02:25 AM PST by ansel12 (A.Coulter2005(truncated)Romney will never recover from his Court's create of a right to gay marriage)
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To: jocon307
The author of this piece was way too full of himself

And way too into Doris Day. I was trying to figure out why I didn't like the column. You put your finger on it.

I guess it's too personal for Lopez. He read Camille's column and didn't like it, then he saw Coulter's column about the Latino vote and rushed into print before he had time to digest everything and make a more organized response.

40 posted on 12/08/2012 11:22:44 AM PST by x
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

As importantly, they acted as if 2010 never happened. Or as if it happened because the GOPe replaced Steele with Priebus, and not because of the TEA Party movement.


41 posted on 12/08/2012 3:13:00 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: dfwgator

>>I call the GOP the Washington Generals.

I just LOVE that! I am so going to use it.

In fairness, it’s more the GOPe that rates the appellation. We have seen Republicans who have overcome that role, but that have been relative outsiders - Reagan in the 80s and Newt in the 90s are probably the best examples.

How do we get another such to the top?


42 posted on 12/08/2012 3:22:03 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: x

“And way too into Doris Day.”

LOL, agreed!


43 posted on 12/08/2012 4:00:32 PM PST by jocon307
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Camille's thing was how wonderful the Dionysian release of erotic energies in the 1960s was. She was part of that generation and experienced all that first hand. Here she's just reverting to her one big -- or small -- fundamental idea.

For a while, Paglia got a lot of mileage out of attacking the political correctness of the 1990s as a damper on the energies and passions she celebrated. Bill Clinton was also a major gift to her: she could be controversial about her in a way that she wasn't about Bush or Obama. She could also be interestingly ambivalent about Hillary. They allowed her to cut across ideological lines in a provocative and unpredictable way. But without the Clintons -- and having said just about all she can about political correctness -- Camille just hasn't been that interesting.

The comparison to Coulter seems forced. Coulter's writing about Latinos/Hispanics probably provoked Lopez to the point where he couldn't organize an response and couldn't just let it alone, so he rushes into an attack on her at the end of his article on Paglia. Sure, there are similarities between Ann Coulter and Camille Paglia, but they aren't the most revealing thing one could say about either writer.

44 posted on 12/09/2012 11:45:46 AM PST by x
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