Skip to comments.Time to Remove Boehner as Speaker? (Perhaps)
Posted on 12/08/2012 6:30:23 AM PST by Kaslin
Speaker of the House John Boehner (R-OH) may have finally gone too far betraying conservatives. This past week, he removed three conservative Republican Congressmen from their committee positions in retaliation for not voting for his compromises on the budget with Democrats compromises that led us to the current fiscal cliff. Rep. David Schweikert (R-AZ) was removed from the Financial Services Committee, and Rep. Tim Huelskamp (R-KS) and Rep. Justin Amash (R-MI) were removed from the Budget Committee. All three were elected with strong Tea Party support.
An aide to GOP leadership said they were removed for not being team players. Anther aide admittedto Roll Call that it was done out of retaliation, You want good things in Congress and to have a good career? Better play along nicely. After removing the Congressmen, Boehner warned other members of Congress that he will be watching how they vote.
The three Congressmen opposed the Budget Control Act last year, which capitulated to the Democrats on big spending. The Act increased the debt ceiling by $400 billion, with the ability to increase it another $500 million to $1.5 trillion. 66 Republicans voted against it. A fourth Republican, Rep. Walter Jones (R-NC), who voted against the Budget Control Act, was also removed from the Financial Services Committee in retaliation.
Removing Amash and Huelskamp from the Budget Committee will make it easier for the committee to work out an agreement compromising with the Democrats on the fiscal cliff. Boehner proposed a counter-offer to the Democrats' $1.6 trillion tax increase proposal that increases taxes by $800 billion and does nothing to reduce the $16 trillion deficit. It has been widely denounced by conservative groups and leaders, including Senator Jim DeMint (R-SC), who is leaving the Senate to head up the Heritage Foundation.
Matt Kibbe, president of Freedomworks, denounced the vindictive move, saying, This is a clear attempt on the part of Republican leadership to punish those in Washington who vote the way they promised their constituents they would -- on principle -- instead of mindlessly rubber-stamping trillion-dollar deficits and the bankrupting of America. In a letter to Boehner, Freedomworks asked that Boehner restore the three members of Congress to their committee positions.
The three Congressman are far more principled conservatives than Boehner. Schweikert's rating from the American Conservative Union (ACU) last year was 96; Huelskamp scored 92, and Amash scored 91.67. Their ratings from the conservative organization Freedomworks were equally as high or higher. In contrast, Boehner's lifetime ACU rating is only 89.81, and if he hadn't been Speaker last year, which shielded him from most votes, his rating would have tanked even further.
Huelskamp denounced the retaliation at a Heritage Foundation luncheon on Tuesday, Its petty, its vindictive, and if you have any conservative principles you will be punished for articulating those. Heasked for a list of the votes that were used to reward or punish members, but was met with stony silence from leadership.
This maneuver by Boehner was just the latest of several betrayals of conservatives. In September 2011, Boehner tried to force House Republicans to vote in favor of a continuing resolution to fund government that included funding for Obamacare, Planned Parenthood, the United Nations Population Fund and the Palestinian Authority. 48 House conservatives joined 182 Democrats to defeat it. Boehner's record in the House includes many votes hostile to taxpayers and conservatives, including voting for the TARP bailout of 2008.
The targeting of Schweikert is especially peculiar, since his voting was only a little out of line with leadership. During Schweikert's first year in Congress, 2011, he voted with GOP leadership 93% of the time. Huelskamp voted with leadership 91% of the time and Amash 76% of the time. Huelskamp and Amash were the only GOP House members to vote against Paul Ryan's budget plan this year, asserting that it didn't cut spending enough. They also voted against the current continuing resolution that is funding the government through March.
Why weren't other Congressmen who voted against House leadership as often as Schweikert removed from their committees? Rep. Trent Franks (R-AZ) voted with GOP leadership this past year93% of the time, the same percentage as Schweikert, yet Franks wasn't removed from the Armed Forces Committee. There is speculation that Schweikert was targeted because he defeated Boehner loyalist Ben Quayle (R-AZ) earlier this year when they were forced to run against each other in the same district due to redistricting. Unlike Schweikert, Quayle made sure to vote with leadership, or abstain from voting as instructed by leadership on big-spending bills.
Congressman Schweikert is one of the brightest and most articulate new members of Congress. He isn't prone to making silly gaffes, nor has he been caught in some awkward incident. All three Congressmen were backed by the Club for Growth, a well-respected fiscal watchdog organization. If House leadership is going to target the most solid, stable conservatives in Congress, they have gone too far. It is difficult to find a principled, conservative Republican who hasn't been damaged and rendered somewhat ineffective by the liberal media. Members of Congress like Schweikert represent the last hope for conservatives.
Members of Congress are elected to represent their districts, not the party establishment. The Republican Party may not be in complete lockstep agreement on every issue. But if it cannot agree on fiscal restraint, then it has lost its core ideology.
The Club for Growth warned that this could cost Boehner the speakership. The conservative blog Red State is calling to replace him, noting that only 16 House members are needed to abstain from voting for Boehner as speaker in order to oust him in January. American Majority Action started the hashtag #fireboehner on Twitter, labeling the purge of conservatives the nail in the coffin.
Boehner would be wise to remember the last time a Speaker of the House tangled with a conservative member of Congress from Arizona over compromising with Democrats. It didn't work out so well for Newt Gingrich. That Arizona Congressman, Matt Salmon, is now returning to Congress, and together with Schweikert they might just pull off another coup.
The question doesn’t need to be asked. Do it!
The question doesn’t need to be asked. Do it!
Yes, do it. I am sick of this crybaby RINO who only has a pair for fighting fellow Republicans - and those who made him Speaker, no less. Time to take out the trash before he destroys the Party.
Boehner is not ENTITLED to be Speaker.
If you don’t like his leadership then DON’T VOTE HIM INTO SPEAKER !
Elections have consequences, even leadership elections.
“Time to Remove Boehner as Speaker? (Perhaps)”
Fall back on our DOI and Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union!!!!!
Semper Straight Ahead!
That's cuts two more ways:
US House Dealing with Bronco.
TEA Party dealing with GOPe.
Boner has been forking at least half of the electorate.
The Republican Party is akin to the Python Parrot, tired and shagged out after a prolonged (but ineffective) squawk.
The time to remove him was Nov 6th!
Hopefullu Boner will soon be pining for the fjords.
Hopefully Boner will soon be pining for the fjords.
There is even a QUESTION, here?
Make it RETROACTIVE—like early 2009.
Absolutely, he’s in bed with the notion that he can work negotiations overtime with Obama. Fire him; calling the Tea Party to get us all on board. Let’s roll! Eventually, the conservatives have to take back the party from the politically correct class.
What does obammy have on boehner to make hime so flacid?I’ve seen jellyfish with more backbone.
"Union," "Justice," "Tranquility," "defence," promotion of "general Welfare," and "secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity"--these are the Constitution's goal and purpose.
This is "the People's" Constitution, and those who serve take a sacred oath to uphold and defend it.
Consider the sacrifices of those citizen statesmen who, in one little sliver of time in the 1770's, outlined its principles in the Declaration of Independence and then framed its strict limitations on coercive power in 1787.
Now, think of the spectacle we have witnessed over the past four years.
We have seen hapless, inept politicians who, protecting their partisan turf and ideologies which fly in the face of the Constitution they swore to uphold, systematically violate its principles and take the Republic to the brink of disaster.
The question before us is the same as in 1776; but where are the great minds, the passionate defenders of liberty, the citizen statesmen who will stand for and articulate the ideas essential to a free society?
That person is not in the White House. That person certainly is not the Senate leader.
The appropriate place for that person is in the House of Representatives, where the "People's" representatives were intended to decide great matters on their behalf.
Matters of great consequence are before us. Those matters call for the most qualified, the most articulate, and the most effective leader the Congress ever has had.
When the history books are read by future generations in the Year 2112, what will they record about how their liberty was threatened and defended in the Year 2012? Did "the People's" representatives in Congress have the courage to elect their most able philosophical leader to defend liberty?
Replace him with Newt.
The speaker doesn’t have to be a member of the house — anyone can be elected speaker. Perhaps they can elect W.
When Newt stepped down and Dole had lost the ‘96 race, Dole was momentarily considered as a possible candidate for Speaker.
We need an in-your-face leader who can articulate the conservative position and execute.
Perhaps Haley Barbour.
Forget it Boehner, like a rash, will remain.
His weak and cowardly actions have become a virus spreading within the republican party.
It’s one of the reasons the 2012 election was lost to the liberals. The idea of a real Conservative in line for the top spot after Romney, panicked the Washington insiders and RINOS so they stayed on the sidelines.
It didn’t matter that Romney was a weak sister RINO himself, the fear of Ryan and Conservatism prevailed.
It is also the same reason that Tim Scott will not be nominated by Haley here in SC...because he is a real Conservative.
Who wants to be a team player on a team that is double-crossing Americans?
Democrats play on that team, Well!!!! RINO’s do too.
He ran unopposed.
The Democrats liked him so much they didn’t even oppose him.
Long past time to get rid of Tammy Faye.
Not yet! Wait til the fiscal Cliff nightmare is over —see what he does or doesn’t do—Then, if its not right FIRE HIM! Next congress should start fresh—Paul Ryan should be next speaker.
John Boehner AKA "The No Nutz Putz"
Primary Boner in his district in 2014, then, as it is likely that he will survive, third party him in the general. But, this may be moot, because Boner will likely lose the House for the GOP as he alienates the conservative base. Other rinos will be primaried or third partied if they keep this crap up. It looks like Boner has capitulated on the TAX cliff, and he will no doubt aquiese to the dictator’s demands on raising the debt ceiling.
I’m sure that Boner is a nice guy and loves his country, but so did Neville Chamberlin.
No. It’s NOT time to remove Boehner as Speaker.
It is time for Conservatives to REMOVE THEMSELVES from the GOP. Leave the Judenrat for the MarxoFascists, because to remain a part of them is to embrace Conservatism’s death.
I’m ready for a new party..the sooner the better...
these next four years are going to be difficult to live through...
If the Republicans members of the House had any principles, they would vote Boehner out as Speaker. However, I have completely given up on the Republican Party after 50 years of being a registered Republican. As for me, the only difference I see between elected Republicans and elected Democrats in Washington is that the Republicans are only a bit less corrupt and a bit less socialist.
As for John Boehner, I have two words for him, and they are not Happy Birthday.
“Replace him with Newt.”
“Boehner would be wise to remember the last time a Speaker of the House tangled with a conservative member of Congress from Arizona over compromising with Democrats. It didn’t work out so well for Newt Gingrich.”
FEBRUARY 1, 1999: MATT SALMON doesn’t look like a revolutionary. Instead he resembles Central Casting’s ideal of Mr. Middle America, a wholesome-looking business and family man from the ‘burbs who sprinkles his political discourse with sports analogies. He’s Jimmy Stewart as Mr. Smith, even though his actions are reminiscent of Robespierre (the dude who guillotined many of the French Revolution’s original leaders).
It was Arizona’s Matt Salmon who took out Newt Gingrich. Salmon was the man who ended the career of the conservative firebrand who ignited the much-ballyhooed GOP Revolution of 1994.
The national media recognized Salmon’s role. The Arizona Republic sort of reported it. The southern Arizona media basically ignored it. The feisty Arizonan was quoted by major news outlets from CNN and Larry King Live to NBC Today and The New York Times as he set the parameters for Gingrich’s removal as speaker of the House of Representatives. As Salmon told Larry King two days after the November election that turned into a near disaster for Congress’ seemingly impregnable GOP majority: “For the last three years, we really have been leaderless.”
King pressed Salmon with the question: “Is one of the problems you (Republicans) face, that any speaker (of the House) would face, is that you’re up against an incredibly extraordinary politician (in President Bill Clinton)?”
Salmon’s response was a classic. “If Rocky Balboa had taken a dive in the first round, he would’ve never known he could go the distance with Apollo Creed. You don’t win by taking dives...I’m not even articulating what the agenda should be, but we should have an agenda and it should be articulated.”
The November election reduced the GOP margin in the House to just five more than necessary to elect a speaker. Salmon was furious. He promptly announced that he and six other Republican House members would not cast their votes to retain Gingrich as speaker. Two days later, Gingrich announced his retirement.
Many think the Newt’s statesmanlike withdrawal was based on the simple reality that he didn’t have enough votes in his own caucus to be re-elected. Others believe Salmon was bluffing. Several national media outlets have speculated as to who the other six congressman might have been, with three or four pretty good guesses including representatives Chris Souder and David McIntosh of Indiana.
Would such a rank-and-file GOP rebellion have elected Democrat Richard Gephardt speaker?
No, says Salmon—the seven maverick Republicans would’ve just withheld their votes by voting “present,” keeping anyone from getting the necessary 218 votes and forcing the GOP back into caucus. At best it would’ve been a major embarrassment for Gingrich, even if most of the seven ultimately recanted. And it clearly had an impact on Gingrich’s decision to hang it up.
Salmon was part of the group Gingrich sneeringly called “The Perfectionist Caucus.” But Salmon says he was more closely aligned with Republicans of all stripes who simply believed it was time for the GOP to post a damn agenda.
While conceding that in nationalizing the 1994 election via the Contract with America, Gingrich made a brilliant stroke which brought Republicans their congressional majority, Salmon and others are still waiting for the next move.
“Ever since we re-opened the government in December of 1995 by basically caving in to the President,” he says, “we’ve had no overall plan. All we’ve done for three years is hunker down and play defense, reacting to initiatives from the White House and launching none of our own.”
SALMON’S OPPOSITION to Gingrich’s leadership was based on much more than the normal “pragmatics” of winning and losing. Regardless of one’s place in the political spectrum, Matt Salmon is impressive as that rare breed of politician who cares more about principle and doing what he perceives to be right.
Unlike most pols who are always considering re-election as a major factor in what they say and do, Salmon’s support of term limits—three in the House, two in the Senate—means he won’t seek re-election to a fourth term in the House, although he might seek another office, such as governor or U.S. senator.
He has a low opinion of Washington, D.C., and many of those who inhabit it: “Too many plastic people whose only goal is self promotion—it’s a place where too many of those who are supposed to serve the people are only serving themselves.”
Lest we confuse him with a number of idealistic liberals and moderate Republicans who say such things, Salmon is a dyed-in-the-wool conservative. His voting record for the last three years places him firmly on the right side of the spectrum, along with his Phoenix-area GOP colleagues.
But it’s a refreshing, almost non-confrontational kind of conservatism that preserves the principles without going out of its way to accumulate the usual turnoffs—almost a generational quality he shares with some of his younger conservative house colleagues in the Class of ‘94 like Steve Largent and J.C. Watts of Oklahoma, and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina. All of them, even the most dedicated leftist will admit, are folks with considerably more charm than Jesse Helms or the Newt himself.
The irony would be if those who stood firmer on conservative principles than Gingrich turned out to be better salesmen for that political philosophy.
Salmon may have the talents for the job. He’s no follower, and he’s not the type of Beltway Bozo whose votes are determined by the latest poll data. Instead, he tries to change public opinion through leadership.
When asked what the GOP agenda should be, Salmon doesn’t hesitate. He says one of the federal government’s first priorities should be to pay down the national debt, an old-fashioned and rather quaint idea that most Americans, deeply in hock on their plastic, can identify with.
Salmon also believes it’s past time to cut the federal budget—particularly while so many state and local governmental budgets are swelling—and make the federal government less intrusive in our daily lives. He sees too many competing tax collectors.
Not only has Salmon consistently voted with the social conservatives on many issues, he makes no bones about being one himself. Note, however, that his personal political agenda is prioritized to stress economics and the size of the federal government. In a New York Times op-ed piece, he stated: “Members may still butt heads on social issues, but these differences could be managed if the party refused to buckle on the issues on which we agree.”
He went further in that piece: “This year we became the Seinfeld Congress, a Congress about nothing. We failed to put forth a clear agenda for America, instead choosing to run out the clock. It seems that we were convinced that history guaranteed additions to our majority...So we spent a good portion of the year naming roads, bridges, and post offices. While President Clinton was building a bridge to the 21st century, the Republican Congress was busy naming it. We spent more time trying to make Puerto Rico a state than we did discussing tax relief, fighting crime or reducing the size of the government. When we ousted the Democrats from power in 1994, it wasn’t because they had failed to produce a 51st state.”
THAT KIND OF talk makes GOP party hacks nervous. Of course, just about anybody who says anything makes their kind nervous. Which makes one wonder how Matt Salmon ever got to Washington in the first place.
Born in Salt Lake City in 1958, Salmon moved to Mesa at 12, attended ASU, and received a master’s in public administration from Brigham Young University. He spent two years (1977-78) as a Mormon missionary to Taiwan, where he learned to speak Mandarin and also acquired an interest in foreign policy. He was employed by U S West for 13 years, spending the first two in Tucson heading construction crews. He ended up the firm’s top risk manager with 200 employees reporting to him. He and his wife Nancy have four children, ranging from 10 to 17.
He was not politically active above the GOP precinct committeeman level until 1990, when he decided to run against incumbent Republican state Sen. Jerry Gillespie in a safe East Mesa District. Salmon wasn’t supposed to win, but he out-worked and out-charmed Gillespie. Re-elected in 1992, Salmon became known as a hard-line conservative, but he was never pegged as one of the “kooks.”
In 1992, Democrat Sam Coppersmith defeated three-term GOP incumbent Congressman Jay Rhodes. Two years later, Coppersmith tried for the open U.S. Senate seat of Democrat Dennis DeConcini, losing to Republican Jon Kyl in the process. Also in 1994 came the emergence of three new GOP Congressman from the Phoenix area: John Shadegg replaced Kyl in the 4th District, J.D. Hayworth beat one-term Democrat Karan English in the 6th, and Matt Salmon was elected in the vacant 1st. All three GOP freshmen are conservatives, and all three won multiple GOP primaries against some reasonable contenders. Once again, Salmon out-worked and out-charmed his opposition.
It wasn’t long before the maverick streak began to show. Before Salmon had finished his first term, he was in the forefront of the Gingrich critics, and by 1997 he was part of the internal coup to dethrone King Newt. Salmon was one of the 11 GOP House members who openly opposed Gingrich’s leadership. Newt put down the rebellion—that time.
Salmon was re-elected in 1998 with no serious primary or general opposition—in fact, his Democratic opponent died and was replaced by another candidate. Some thought it wouldn’t have mattered much if they’d just left the dead guy on the ballot.
Besides his maverick attitude towards his party’s leadership, there are a few other indications that Salmon is not your normal pol. One story his staff loves to tell: Between his stints in the state Senate and U.S. Congress, the usually well-conditioned Salmon gained 70 pounds. Resolved to take it off, Salmon twice participated in the U.S. Marine Corps Marathon, shedding the extra weight.
Another way to judge Salmon is by the quality of his personal staff and the freedom he gives them. Most congressional staffers have no opinions of their own they dare share; they’re uptight, scared to death they’ll offend someone. But Salmon runs a much looser ship than most of his colleagues, allowing his people the leeway to write letters to the editor expressing their own opinions, or to going on radio talk shows to do the same. As a result he’s accumulated a group of intensely loyal and dedicated people.
“My father told me some people are intimidated by those who are smarter than they are—but I try to hire them,” Salmon says.
Take his chief of staff, Mike Paranzino. An attorney who quit his law practice to work for a congressman he genuinely likes and respects, Paranzino is an Italian Catholic working for a Mormon WASP. It’s noteworthy that Paranzino, like the rest of Salmon’s initial D.C. staff, never had a previous Washington gig.
SO WHAT DOES the future hold for this 40-year-old, boy-next-door insurgent?
There’s considerable pressure on him—and several other Class of ‘94 Republicans who also support term limits—to change his mind and stay in the House. “No way,” Salmon says. “If politicians want to be taken seriously again, they have to walk the walk, not just talk the talk. I made a commitment to stay just three terms, and I plan to keep it.”
He says he’d consider a run for the U.S. Senate if a seat opened up—both are now held by Republicans Jon Kyl and John McCain. And he’s looking seriously at the governor’s job when Jane Hull steps down in 2002. But if none of that works out, Salmon says that’s OK with him.
“I can always go fishing or spend the time with my family. And I’m perfectly happy to return to private life after 10 years in public office. I don’t really want to be a lifer politician.”
“The question doesnt need to be asked. Do it!”
About a week ago, I called my Republican congressman’s office, and told the aide that I wanted my congressman to vote AGAINST Speaker Boehner.
I hope OTHERS WILL JOIN ME!
See the video. LOL
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Posted on December 9, 2012 at 8:18am by Madeleine Morgenstern
“Replace him with Newt.”
Cause he did so great the first time caving to Clinton on the government shutdown and losing 5 seats in 1998.
Come on man, time for a fresh, conservative leader. Newt and Boner are old chums and both are establishment to the core.
Newt was a better minority whip than Speaker.
I almost posted the same thing but since Newt doesn't want that job I thought “Why bother?”
I figure no one wants that job so he is safe,
I suggested removing him in 2009 when he was still minority leader.
I can go one better. I opposed Boehner’s return to leadership, period. He was fired back in the ‘90s. He should’ve stayed fired.
I recommend Congressman Allen West of Florida!
Alan West — not a bad idea.
Here is another suggestion: Rush Limbaugh. The libs would go crazy.
I never heard of him until 2008 with rounding up TARP voters and then he lost more seats 2008 and I immediately started posting that the R leadership from those days must be purged for a new start in 2009.
But as you recall, TARP was not that unpopular here when Bush did it, and so he had defenders till last year when O whipped him, and he gave O his 2 debt extensions for those delayed spending cuts they whined about all year.
Makes you wonder what they will get from O in concessions' and then complain about this time,.