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Now They Tell Us - The economy never really got better
PJ Media ^ | 12/8/2012 | Tom Blumer

Posted on 12/08/2012 7:11:34 AM PST by Lakeshark

Now that Barack Obama is safely ensconced in the White House for another four years, several items which should have been noticed or revealed before Election Day have come to the fore. Collectively, they tell us two things: that the pre-election economy was worse than voters were led to believe, and that the prospects for meaningful improvement under the current regime are bleak at best. Additionally, in at least one instance, economic activity itself was likely manipulated.
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The probable gamesmanship occurred at Government/General Motors, which is still effectively under Obama administration control, still on track to saddle U.S. taxpayers with a loss of $25 billion or more, and still losing market share. Despite already-bloated inventories at its dealers, GM’s production lines ran full throttle during September and October. Thanks to that ramp-up and unimpressive sales growth, retail inventories grew by an astonishing 99,000 in October and November.
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News in the housing market, particularly concerning sales of new single-family homes, suddenly went from pre-election exuberance to post-election bleakness.

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Anyone who thinks we can win a national election with the media we have now is simply kidding themselves. At FR most instinctively knew they were lying about the economy.

I wonder if the suckers who bought this lie will ever know how they were lied to?

1 posted on 12/08/2012 7:11:41 AM PST by Lakeshark
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To: Lakeshark

A year from now 2012 will be looked at as the “good old days.” We are witnessing a perfect storm of bad economic policies, higher taxes, obamacare kicking in and we were told things are getting better when the’re not. Hold on to what you got...if you can. I hope the MSM goes down with the rest of us.


2 posted on 12/08/2012 7:17:23 AM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: Lakeshark
I wonder if the suckers who bought this lie will ever know how they were lied to?

All they know is when Dancing with The Stars, The Bachelor and Two and a Half Men are on the boob tube.

3 posted on 12/08/2012 7:18:18 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred.)
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To: Lakeshark
I wonder if the suckers who bought this lie will ever know how they were lied to?"""""........

The SUCKERS who bought this lie are they very ones that STOLE the election, so NO they do not care, and most too illiterate to understand it, yet still CRY for more Gimme's, i.e. the MI councilwoman.

4 posted on 12/08/2012 7:19:20 AM PST by annieokie
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To: Lakeshark

Most won’t ever know, and most won’t ever care even if they did.

Sad.

Anybody who read the government pronouncements each month about unemployment and such with upbeat optimistic acceptance has an IQ less than room temperature.

In Alaska in January with no heat.


5 posted on 12/08/2012 7:19:20 AM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: Lakeshark

Not sure if anyone her has seen the movie “Idiocracy”, but if you haven’t I would suggest you take a look at it. It is the future, and we are heading there fast... we already have the “president”.


6 posted on 12/08/2012 7:21:04 AM PST by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: Lakeshark

Anyone who thinks we can win a national election with the media we have now is simply kidding themselves.
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It’s not enough to defeat the Dem opponent; the next Republican candidate will have to take on the media too. It’s a two front war and not for the timid.


7 posted on 12/08/2012 7:23:45 AM PST by Starboard
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To: Huskrrrr

A year from now 2012 will be looked at as the “good old days.” We are witnessing a perfect storm of bad economic policies, higher taxes, obamacare kicking in and we were told things are getting better when the’re not.


Paradoxically, this will play in the Democrats hands in the short to mid term. Why? Because as they Economy spirals downward, more people than ever will clamor for the 3Bs: breaks, benefits, and bailouts. I am almost convinced that there needs to be a complete Econmic collapse and reset to turn this situation around. Which was kind of what Ayn Rand was saying in “Atlas Shrugged”.


8 posted on 12/08/2012 7:27:13 AM PST by rbg81
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To: Huskrrrr; stephenjohnbanker
Hold on to what you got...if you can.

The mine field is here, steer well.......

9 posted on 12/08/2012 7:29:45 AM PST by Lakeshark (!)
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To: Huskrrrr

I hope the MSM goes down with the rest of us.
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The MSM is totally invested in Obama and have bought into his re-distributionist schemes and government spending that will inevitably break the back of the economy. They will defend him to the bitter end.


10 posted on 12/08/2012 7:30:56 AM PST by Starboard
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To: Lakeshark
We are heading for a recession that will most likely turn into a depression. This Hitler style King Obama will make sure that he has stepped up his destruction of America. And the House is made up of Republican fools and will do nothing to halt the financial collapse.
11 posted on 12/08/2012 7:31:01 AM PST by Logical me
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To: Common Sense 101

“”””””Not sure if anyone her has seen the movie “Idiocracy”, but if you haven’t I would suggest you take a look at it. It is the future, and we are heading there fast... we already have the “president”.””””””””

I actually watched it again yesterday. I can see now that it is more of a documentary than a comedy.


12 posted on 12/08/2012 7:33:23 AM PST by shelterguy
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To: Logical me
The Tell-Tale Chart (Achuthan - US Recession Started In July)
13 posted on 12/08/2012 7:34:04 AM PST by blam
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To: Common Sense 101

You give Obama a lot of credit. President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Camacho was actually interested in solving the nation’s problems.

Obama is not.......


14 posted on 12/08/2012 7:36:25 AM PST by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: rlmorel

“Most won’t ever know, and most won’t ever care even if they did.”
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Most have been conditioned and brainwashed by the public “education” system to believe that government is good and benevolent and doesn’t lie to the people. The propaganda has clearly worked to a large degree. The sheeple are gullible and docile, as liberalism intends.


15 posted on 12/08/2012 7:37:29 AM PST by Starboard
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To: Common Sense 101

"Welcome to Costco. I love you...welcome to Costco, I love you...welcome to Costco, I love you..."

Of course, with Windows 8 coming out (who can miss the advertising, even if you don't watch television) this is what came to mind for me:

Come to think of it, we already almost have an "Ow! My Balls!" channel. Actually, a few of them...ABC...NBC...CBS...

16 posted on 12/08/2012 7:40:39 AM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: Lakeshark

If more people living in this country turned off the TV, got off of their fat asses and got out of the house, they would have known this. Those who sit on the couch all day, eating bon bons and watching TV don’t know a damn thing about the economy or anything else for that matter. 99.9% of the bovine scatology they are reading on Twitter is just that, bull****. So, if they think Twitter is keeping them informed, they are badly mistaken. .


17 posted on 12/08/2012 7:42:34 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Don't tax me bro! Tax that guy over there!)
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To: Brett66

I just made up my mind. I have to own that movie and watch it again. I just looked closely at the picture I posted...I missed the channel: “Violence Network News (Give us 10 seconds)”


18 posted on 12/08/2012 7:43:12 AM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: Lakeshark
Whodathunkit?


19 posted on 12/08/2012 7:44:55 AM PST by WVKayaker ("Hang in there, America. Fight for what is right." - Sarah Palin 11/7/12)
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To: Starboard

That was perhaps the most crushing disappointment for me in this last election. I could understand why there were many people would vote for someone like Obama in 2008...but when he was reelected, it made me realize the scales have tipped, and the electorate is clearly broken.

That enough people would elect this man again after seeing him in action for four years made me lose all hope.


20 posted on 12/08/2012 7:46:27 AM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: Lakeshark
Anyone who thinks we can win a national election with the media we have now is simply kidding themselves.

You forget. Reagan won while fighting the very same media... Only way worse, because it was ONLY the alphabet channels and nothing else.

The Conservative message has ALWAYS had an uphill climb against the liberal media, but if anything, we've never had it this good before! The internet is a very powerful tool against the liberal media!

I am not against you, but that comment does a disservice to those who went before... and succeeded.

21 posted on 12/08/2012 7:47:06 AM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: rlmorel
when he was reelected, it made me realize the scales have tipped, and the electorate is clearly broken.

BUMP to your post. It's been a rude awakening, hasn't it?

22 posted on 12/08/2012 7:48:08 AM PST by Lakeshark (!)
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To: Lakeshark
America is finished for many generations. We have lost the greatest Nation.
23 posted on 12/08/2012 7:48:29 AM PST by Logical me
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To: Lakeshark

Man, I know things are getting worse. I just have to look around in my little town. Three more business will be gone. My own employment is not what it use to be. I try to trust in the Lord, but I’m getting very scared.


24 posted on 12/08/2012 7:50:44 AM PST by Thorliveshere
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To: rlmorel

Frito’s TV looks a lot like Windows 8. :)


25 posted on 12/08/2012 7:52:03 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: blam
The first recession was mild to the one I predict in on the near future.
26 posted on 12/08/2012 7:52:39 AM PST by Logical me
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To: roamer_1
Well sir, the media didn't hide Carter's failure when the rescue helicopters went down. They didn't hide the economic data. They didn't hide Carter's gaffes and claim everything that Reagan said well was a gaffe. They could not have hidden foreign donations, or the scope of democrat fraud, or the deep spiral of death our culture is in.

They've evolved in how they present things, and have gotten much better (from our perspective, worse) at their propaganda. They figured it our after Reagan beat them, I doubt even he could have won this time. If we don't figure out how to take them out in a new way, it's done. Heck, it may be done already.

27 posted on 12/08/2012 7:54:57 AM PST by Lakeshark (!)
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To: rlmorel

That enough people would elect this man again after seeing him in action for four years made me lose all hope.
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Realistically, given the dumbed down and greedy nature of a politically significant portion of the population, the only chance left for us is the onset of an economic calamity of historic proportions (think depression). Assuming that government would by then have “run out of other people’s money” this might induce a sufficent about of pain on the masses to make them want to do anything to alleviate that pain. Logic and reason doesn’t work with the Takers; only economic pain and deprivation does.


28 posted on 12/08/2012 7:57:30 AM PST by Starboard
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To: Logical me
We are heading for a recession that will most likely turn into a depression

The feds are borrowing 4.8 billion A DAY. and they're printing 40 BILLION A MONTH on top of that!

There is no economy. We're broke. The whole thing is just smoke.
When it crashes, it'll crash FAST. The elites will already be safely secured in their bunkers by the time we realize it.

29 posted on 12/08/2012 7:59:17 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Lakeshark

And there have been now over three decades more of indoctrination in the socialist public school systems nationwide.


30 posted on 12/08/2012 8:00:09 AM PST by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: annieokie

There’s no limit to the greed culture. Even today there are people in Greece demanding their fair share of other people’s labor. The more the left screws up the economy, the more people rely on government. It’s a vicious circle.


31 posted on 12/08/2012 8:00:29 AM PST by BinaryBoy (I'm anti-socialism because I'm anti-slavery.)
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To: Starboard

Actually the last two candidates needed to take on the media, and McCain and Romney were completely unprepared to do so. Given all the Bush/R negatives in 2008, the only reason we did as well as we did given McCain is that Palin overcame *some* of the media bias, though not nearly enough.

This is why I wanted Cain or Gingrich in this cycle. They were about the only ones in the field with any ability at all to go around the media bias.


32 posted on 12/08/2012 8:05:51 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Lakeshark
Now They Tell Us - The economy never really got better

Why did MSM employees lie to help the Democrats.. golly, gee. I can only remember that happening every time.

The 1992 election-year economy was the "worst economy since the Great Depression" said the Clinton liars ("It's the economy, stupid!"). The MSM employees obliged by featuring (often with interviews) day-after-day tales of hard times, woe, despair as thousands more each day lost their jobs.

The day after Clinton won the election the MSM employees started reporting that the economy was growing. The Clinton folks explained to inquiring "reporters" that the turnaround happened because with the election of Bill Clinton people just felt better.

The economy was already growing at a rate of three to five percent IIRC in quarters two and three 1992 and continued at that rate through fourth quarter 1992.

33 posted on 12/08/2012 8:07:34 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Logical me
And the House is made up of Republican fools and will do nothing to halt the financial collapse.

If they tried to stop the crash by ending all social programs today ..... there would be riots in the streets.
If they do nothing and let it collapse ..... there will be rioting in the streets.
Either way, no matter what they do, the left has finally run out of other peoples money. Because no one listened to the warnings, there's nothing they can do save it now.

Buckle up, prepare for the worst, and hope for the best.

34 posted on 12/08/2012 8:09:11 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: rbg81
I am almost convinced that there needs to be a complete Econmic collapse and reset to turn this situation around.

I'm already there.

35 posted on 12/08/2012 8:09:28 AM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: Lakeshark

You mean, it was...all...a lie?


36 posted on 12/08/2012 8:09:28 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Lakeshark
"It's been a rude awakening, hasn't it?"

It was. 2008 was a real shock, even though I have been following with apprehension radical liberalism since the early seventies as a young teenager. I didn't believe Americans would elect someone like Barack Obama. Just didn't believe it.

Then they did, and I deluded myself, thinking things like "They fell for the "Hope and Change"...they voted for him out of white guilt...they had good intentions...they are ignorant of the facts..." and so on.

When Obama was re-elected, it was like someone deliberately grabbing me by the hair, winding up and delivering a full-swing face slap while looking me in the face as they said "No...this is REALLY what America wants."

All I could think of was the vision of Winston Smith from Orwell's 1984 strapped to a gurney with his tortured, decayed and broken body as O'Brien described to him the reality of the situation, and how it was about power...encouraging him to view reality in the following way: "If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face — forever."

THAT is what the last election did to me.

37 posted on 12/08/2012 8:12:50 AM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: FreedomPoster

The Dem/MSM alliance is a potent one. The MSM propaganda machine runs with all the liberal talking points and provides saturation coverage on an on-demand basis. They are a bunch of corrupt jackals.

IMO the next Republican candidate will have to do more than just stand up to this alliance. That person will have to launch a sustained and vigorous attack against the MSM.

The only way to win at anything is to be stronger, tougher and smarter than you oppoent, or should I say OPPONENTS.


38 posted on 12/08/2012 8:13:14 AM PST by Starboard
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To: rlmorel

you left off “Black is White”


39 posted on 12/08/2012 8:14:55 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: roamer_1
Here is the thing, though. They couldn't be open about it back then, they had to appear to the public to be impartial, and the public did (and still does) buy into it like the lazy sheeple they are.

The media have long since surrendered that facade, and it has emboldened them in ways that would have shocked Americans even in 1979. These two cartoons illustrate that point (in my opinion):

And that means something. I will even venture this far: I would wager there are FAR more people who believe the media is impartial, fair and fully factual than people who believe anything, anywhere on the Internet can be true.

40 posted on 12/08/2012 8:23:57 AM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: Flycatcher
I am almost convinced that there needs to be a complete Econmic collapse and reset to turn this situation around.

I'm already there.

Yeah. Me too.
The working class needs to have enough supplies to last them about a year (and a way to protect them.)
After that, the lesson should be clear. The politicians aren't handing out free candy because they love you. They do it for themselves, and when things go south, "You're on your own, dude."

41 posted on 12/08/2012 8:25:04 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Lakeshark
Nobody that voted for 0bama really believed it anyway.

They didn't give a darn about anything other than "getting theirs"!

42 posted on 12/08/2012 8:26:23 AM PST by airborne (MY HEROES DON'T WEAR CAPES. MY HEROES WEAR DOG TAGS ! ! !)
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To: Flycatcher

I’m already there.


Yeah, but the outcome of such a thing would be unpredictable. Could well plunge us into a new Dark age. In real life, the good guys don’t always win.


43 posted on 12/08/2012 8:26:39 AM PST by rbg81
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To: Lakeshark

The economy never really got better

Whew! I thought it was just me...


44 posted on 12/08/2012 8:28:06 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian (I hope we're ready to get a real candidate next time. C'mon GOP! <BCC><)
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To: Lakeshark
Two things come to mind:

First, people don't need to be told by the government about the economy. They live in it and they know what their economy is like.

Second, there seems to be something about human nature that causes people to seek more (not less) government during a crisis. Given that reality, hard times do not seem to favor conservatives in elections.

45 posted on 12/08/2012 8:33:28 AM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: rbg81
Yeah, but the outcome of such a thing would be unpredictable. Could well plunge us into a new Dark age.

Oh, it will! When the democrats discover their politicians are no where to be found and there's no one else to steal for them, they're going to start stealing for themselves.

It'll be a while before they understand what it means to be self regulating and self accountable. Once they understand they have to share the WORK and sharing the wealth was just a lie designed to keep the politicians in power, things will change for the better.

46 posted on 12/08/2012 8:34:04 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Lakeshark
the media didn't hide Carter's failure when the rescue helicopters went down. They didn't hide the economic data. They didn't hide Carter's gaffes and claim everything that Reagan said well was a gaffe. They could not have hidden foreign donations, or the scope of democrat fraud, or the deep spiral of death our culture is in.

That isn't how I remember it. At the time, while there were gas lines everywhere, the media was saying that things were looking up. I remember a media and a government establishment hard set against Reagan, and soft-soaping Carter's errors.

They LAUGHED at Reagan... 'Choppers down in the desert' was blamed exclusively on an 'incompetent' military... There have ALWAYS been hidden foreign donations... And the 'death spiral' could have just as easy happened then as now, except that the fall would not have been as far.

We may have taken Rather out, but don't think that that was his first rodeo. And every one of the talking heads of his era were exactly the same thing.

They've evolved in how they present things, and have gotten much better (from our perspective, worse) at their propaganda. They figured it our after Reagan beat them [...]

While I do agree to a certain degree, again, you seem to forget: The TEA Party could not have happened then. Chick-Fil-A couldn't have happened then. What the media did to confound those movements or trivialize them didn't matter one whit, because those movements happened from without the sphere of their influence, in large part due to the free flow of information we now have, and wonderful places like our own FR which also could not have happened then.

[...] I doubt even he [Reagan] could have won this time.

I fully disagree. The base stayed home. next time, run a principled Conservative and watch the fireworks.

Romney didn't get the TEA Party folks, or the Chick-Fil-A folks... But a Conservative certainly would - And then I, like Rush once did, would have a "see, I told you so" moment, and you would understand.

Conservatism was stone-cold dead at the time. Everyone but Rush was saying so.... Guess what happened. Conservatives still FAR outnumber anything else in the country. Last I looked, 65% self-identified with some degree of Conservatism.

The problem now is the same one we had back then - an elitist GOP leadership that is opposed to Conservatives, and a Conservative base that is every bit the same fractured constituency it was back then - It takes a full-on rock-ribbed Conservative to get the votes, because anything less will cause those fractures to appear and the Conservative Base destroys itself.

It has never been the case that 'boogey-man' politics has ever worked, such as was played by the GOP this time. Pragmatism has never won the day. Appeasers have never succeeded. And neither has '!UP! the middle'.

You have to give Conservatives something to vote *FOR*

47 posted on 12/08/2012 8:42:57 AM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Lakeshark

Massive bartering will soon be the order of the day. Our minders yammer about our “carbon footprint.” Intelligent people will be decreasing their “financial footprint.” The stealth economy flourishes in every centrally controlled economy, as it did for seven decades in the USSR.


48 posted on 12/08/2012 8:45:20 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: Common Sense 101

I’m beginning to think Idiocracy was a documentary.


49 posted on 12/08/2012 8:47:39 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: All

If the morons couldn’t tell when they put gas in their car or bought food at the store, then no. They will never know or if they knew, will never admit it.


50 posted on 12/08/2012 8:56:07 AM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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