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Do 'the people' get the governments they deserve?
American Thinker ^ | 12/08/2012 | Clifton Chadwick

Posted on 12/08/2012 10:16:18 AM PST by SeekAndFind

So Obama has been re-elected. Did the American people get the government they deserve?

I spent several years working in development economics -- specifically in education for development, mostly as a consultant to The World Bank, but also to USAID, UNDP, and the OAS. One question which often was raised, particularly when the project implementation was going badly, was if national groups -- the people -- had the government they deserved.

Some specialists in development thought the question was cruel and demeaning. But many others thought that the nature and culture of the national populace were major factors in the success or failure of development projects. A look at a few examples might be helpful.

Nicaragua is a good sample. From 1979 to 1990, the Sandinistas, led by Daniel Ortega, ruled Nicaragua by dictatorship. Since they painted themselves as "freedom fighters," they got a lot of attention and sympathy from left-wing governments, particularly in Europe, who donated about 10 billion dollars to them. The money was divided up among the loyalists. No new schools, hospitals, or roads were built or paved in eleven years. I kid you not.

In the 1990 elections, Violeta Chamorro defeated the Sandinistas, much to their surprise. She came into office with an economy in ruins. During the Sandinista Revolution, per capita income had fallen by 80%. Chamorro could do little to improve the economy; she tried to emphasize education (I was briefly the only non-Nicaraguan on the National Council of Education).

In 1996, the conservative Aleman was elected. His administration was subsequently accused of money-laundering, theft, and corruption. Aleman was convicted and sentenced to 20 years in jail (which did not last). His successor, Enrique Bolanos, attempted to get corruption under control and reignite the economy without much progress.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: elections; government

1 posted on 12/08/2012 10:16:24 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

An accurate analysis.

Mr Obama was reelected by people who want their free stuff. But there is still a very large percentage of people who want to work and not only not get free stuff, but also not have to provide for people who want free stuff.

The key is to convince the free stuff people that getting free stuff is not only dishonest and dishonorable, but also dangerous for everyone in a short time.

Here is the obstacle: free stuff people live in an information bubble, and piercing into that bubble and reaching their minds(if they have one)will be a great challenge, if not impossible.


2 posted on 12/08/2012 10:33:09 AM PST by lurk
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To: SeekAndFind

The Kenyan bought his voters and stole the rest.

The election was stolen.


3 posted on 12/08/2012 10:34:42 AM PST by y6162
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To: lurk

How would you feel about suspending the right to vote in federal elections to people who receive money or benefits from the federal government?


4 posted on 12/08/2012 10:35:18 AM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“So Obama has been re-elected. Did the American people get the government they deserve?”

Yes, Americans living in the States did get the government they deserved/deserve. Nobody got off their fat butts to fight it from the beginning.

(About 150,000,000 against a handful of crooked Feds?)

It is better to whine thinking someone else will take care of the problem rather than yourselves.

And yes, because of it you deserve it.

It is too late to say “good luck.”


5 posted on 12/08/2012 10:39:56 AM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: SeekAndFind

If you vote to sell yourself into slavery don’t act surprised when you feel the whip on your back.


6 posted on 12/08/2012 10:41:20 AM PST by Wordkraft (Remember who the Collaborators are.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Propaganda, outside agitators, global elites, conspiracies to overthrow the government, the takeover of an education system that propagandizes from childhood, etc., present factors which the public at large has little if any awareness of and so is susceptible to.

If I take a billion dollars, and over 10 years covertly stir up agitation - and establish key influence over schools and the media - in a “developing” country and overthrow it’s leader and instill my own puppet leader, is that entirely the fault of the population ? In truth, the real enemy would have been me, who probably lives in and is a citizen of another country, and almost no one in the target country even knows me. Short of the target government hunting me down, arresting, trying, convicting and executing me, the target country really had no chance from the beginning of my efforts.

Just a thought.


7 posted on 12/08/2012 10:46:39 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: SeekAndFind

Excellent find, especially this snippet....

So do the people of the USA deserve their currently re-elected government? Difficult question.
Take, for example, this quote translated into English from an article in the Prague newspaper Prager Zeitungon:
The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their president.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/12/do_the_people_get_the_governments_they_deserve.html#ixzz2EUIFpf3w


8 posted on 12/08/2012 11:02:48 AM PST by Atilla_the_Hun (Reagan now more than ever)
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To: SeekAndFind
I found this online:

Amnesty International has condemned his brutal regime and his violent tactics. In his desperation to hang onto power, Mugabe jails or kills opposition politicians and human rights workers. There is a whole body of evidence pointing to extrajudicial executions‎ and torture of journalists, opponents and activists. Opposition gatherings are frequently subject to brutal police attacks. Though originally democratically elected, Mugabe has cracked down on fair elections, with massive electoral fraud and violence against opponents.

Revolutionary leaders of independence movements usually do have popular support at first (though infighting between various factions cuts into that support). They don't have trouble winning elections early on.

But they stay in power for years through fraud and corruption and intimidation and violence. So it's not clear that today's Zimbabwe legally elected Mugabe and actually "deserves" him.

"The people" -- and everybody else -- can't focus on everything at once. If they have the right to vote in free and fair elections they may succeed in fixing one problem only to have others arise. And there are limited options to choose from.

In a sense we do deserve the governments we get, but I'd hesitate to say that it's all about some "them" that gets what it deserves and an "us" that has to live with their mistakes. Political options can be better or worse, but none is wholly good or exempt from error and misfortune.

9 posted on 12/08/2012 11:12:46 AM PST by x
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To: y6162

Stolen?
Then you should get right on this and prove it.

No, the number of idiots has, at last, become the majority.


10 posted on 12/08/2012 11:14:22 AM PST by cydcharisse (`)
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To: cydcharisse

The election was stolen.
Our problem is the GOP is soulless and spineless and will not do anything about it.

Actually I am starting to believe Romney threw this election.

But any way you look at it our Republic is no more.


11 posted on 12/08/2012 11:33:16 AM PST by Aurorales (I will not be ridiculed into silence!)
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To: Tau Food
How would you feel about suspending the right to vote in federal elections to people who receive money or benefits from the federal government?

I would be all for it, even though I would be disenfranchised as a disabled veteran receiving benefits. I think anyone who takes a check from the government should forfeit the right to vote. Also anyone who does not pay taxes. Originally, the franchise was limited to property owners. Not a bad idea.

12 posted on 12/08/2012 11:38:04 AM PST by Chuckster (The longer I live the less I care about what you think.)
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To: Aurorales

McCain threw it, starting in around July 2008. McRomney many have thrown it or not thrown it, but he certainly didn’t fight against 0moslem. Rs seem to be nothing but pantywaist weak sisters and/or closet Dems. The few with principles and courage are stabbed in the back, like West.

You expect Dems to be criminal thug commie racists. But the Rs are no opposition. We need FIGHTERS with constitutional principles. But the GOP weeds those ones out. What to do.


13 posted on 12/08/2012 11:52:54 AM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: SeekAndFind

Are there any governments left worth respecting?


14 posted on 12/08/2012 12:00:09 PM PST by Average Al
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To: SeekAndFind
If you don't like life in Illinois, you can move to Indiana. If you don't like life in New York, you can move to Kansas. If you don't like life in Oregon, you can move to Arkansas.

What we really need is an amicable national divorce like Czechoslovakia's and a pair of nations to take the place of the failed United States: a "progressive" oligarchy for statists and serfs, and a restored constitutional republic for those of us who loved the original America.

I didn't say I think there's any measurable chance of an amicable national divorce: totalitarians don't often allow their victims to absent themselves. I predict we'll end up with two Americas or one restored America after the "progressive" oligarchy fails and kills millions of Americans in the process.

The first lesson history teaches is very few people trouble themselves to learn the obvious lessons of history.

15 posted on 12/08/2012 12:23:55 PM PST by Standing Wolf
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To: cydcharisse
First watch 8 minutes 16 seconds of video titled Romney defeated Obama - if not for voter fraud.

Then ... read and think about this.
16 posted on 12/08/2012 12:40:08 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: SeekAndFind

They get the government that those that count balance want them to have..


17 posted on 12/08/2012 12:42:29 PM PST by goat granny
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To: cydcharisse
cyd was hot. And not gullible like you.

18 posted on 12/08/2012 1:22:39 PM PST by y6162
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To: cydcharisse

fool.
Your understanding is overwhelming.
how does a man get 160 percent of the votes in a county?
how many counties had over 110 percent participation ...without ONE Romney vote?

Which also addresses and proves how racist his following is. He black? Good. It also shows how stupid they are for not voting on what the man says, just his color.

That man? IS NOT a AMERICAN. He is a muslim marxist destroyer.


19 posted on 12/08/2012 2:13:09 PM PST by himno hero (hadnuff)
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To: y6162

Would someone from Pennsylvania file a law suit against the Sec. of State for a fraudulent election? The electors are not seated until Dec 17th. Romney did not get one vote in 59 districts, that’s impossible.


20 posted on 12/08/2012 2:21:09 PM PST by freeonefrom (God bless America and our troops.)
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To: freeonefrom

If I lived in one of those 59 districts and I voted for Romney, I would be speaking out and offering to testify under oath regarding my vote.
Is any speaking out?


21 posted on 12/08/2012 2:31:06 PM PST by Jude in WV
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To: Jude in WV

“If I lived in one of those 59 districts and I voted for Romney, I would be speaking out and offering to testify under oath regarding my vote.
Is any speaking out?”

That’s a great question; if someone was speaking out would we ever know about it?


22 posted on 12/08/2012 3:47:27 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Tau Food

“How would you feel about suspending the right to vote in federal elections to people who receive money or benefits from the federal government?”

Include government workers (I don’t know if you had them in “receive money”) and the Dem Party is gone. If nothing more, this past election (for those who didn’t see it already) drew a stark distinction between grasshoppers and ants.


23 posted on 12/08/2012 3:49:32 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: SeekAndFind

47% of them did.


24 posted on 12/09/2012 3:02:05 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Do 'the people' get the governments they deserve?

No, only the one they'll tolerate.

25 posted on 12/09/2012 3:25:14 AM PST by MamaTexan (To follow Original Constitutional Intent, one MUST acknowledge the Right of secession)
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To: trebb

RE; 47% of them did.

Make that 51% in 2012.


26 posted on 12/09/2012 5:54:05 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: lurk

They have no minds to pierce. In fact, they do not even have the intelligence to breathe. If breathing was not instinctive, they could not survive. Their vocabulary consists of tow words:”More freebies”. They are theives of the air they breathe and the food they eat. And they have made it possible for the Communists to murder untold millions in the past. And to add injury to insult, their numbers continue to grow while the other side declines.


27 posted on 12/09/2012 6:03:04 AM PST by sport
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To: y6162

I believe that it was also. I also believe that the Republican National Committee was compliciant in it. I, personally know of two Conservatives we lost in Florida with the Republican Party’s help. One was Allen West. How was the Republican Party involved in his defeat? They re-drew his district to include more Democrats. The other was Rhonda Storms. Again how were the Republicans involved in her defeat? A newspaper had a story headlined: “Republicans Support Storms Democrat Opponent.


28 posted on 12/09/2012 6:13:09 AM PST by sport
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To: SeekAndFind
Make that 51% in 2012.

Understood - the "47%" was just to belabor the Romney "gaff". Even the 51% only adds up to about 25% or so of the actual voting-age populace as far too many just don't vote. I guess it's easier to get the leeches to vote than it is those who are fed up with providing the blood for them - go figure.

29 posted on 12/09/2012 7:29:07 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: himno hero





Can't you just imagine this was the scene with Obama and his Commie staff after stealing the election through voter fraud- while Conservatives blame Romney, argue, point fingers, blather on about who to run in four years, 'starting a new party', and try to figure out how to suck up to minorities the 'next time'?



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Map from Barack Obama Voter Fraud 2012


What most refuse to acknowledge is that it was unlikely that ANYBODY could have beaten the voter fraud planned and perpetrated by the Obama machine. They seem to prefer pointing fingers, blaming Romney and blathering on about who to run in 2016 and how to suck up to the minorities.

>Polls indicated that Romney was going to win the election.

>The economy is close to Great Depression era conditions, and unemployment is almost as high as when Obama entered office.

>Economic conditions became so dire after Obama took office it prompted the rise of an entire new movement, the Tea Party.

>Presidents rarely win reelection when the economy is in the tank.

>Mitt knew it too, when he was met by several thousand in that parking garage cheering him when he arrived unannounced at that airport, and he put his hand over his heart and said, 'This is how you know you've won'.

So how did Romney lose a race that numerous reputable polls and pundits predicted would be an easy win, based on historical patterns?

Massive voter fraud.

That and no other reason

Almost every major Conservative website has put out an article charging voter fraud- Breitbart, American Thinker, Atlas Shrugs, WND, The Blaze, Front Page Magazine, Fox News, The Daily Caller, Town Hall, Human Events, Canada Free Press...


We can not wait for 2014 and 2016 to regroup and figure out new strategies. By then it will be too late. The Marxist/Muslim usurper will have completed his planned distruction of America. That's what people fail to understand.

We must act NOW.

Start with the election. If we let the Rats get away with this massive voter fraud, we're no better than a bananna republic.

We must keep digging and pounding him every day, in every way we can- phony birth certificate, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, his hidden life, records....




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Col Allen West; "I don't want to see America become like Zimbabwe where people don’t trust their electoral process. If we cannot trust the integrity of the voting system then we are no longer a free republic".

Col West has opened the door.

We must fight election fraud.

It falls on ‘We the People’.

Silence is consent
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These elections are NOT certified yet. The only way to get this investigated, much less recounted or overturned, is through the Secretary of State of each of the five key states: Florida, Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. EVEN IF YOU ARE IN ANOTHER STATE you can help. But it won’t do any good to dilute our effort to challenge California or Michigan or other states. Until a major group gets involved to do more, here is the plan: Contact the Secretary of State of the state in question. See contact information below...

Read the rest- Here




Visit the website, 'Halt Voter Fraud':

Here

'This election is not over - YET. Obama has not been elected by the Electoral College - YET. The Presidential election is being stolen from us with "Chicago Style" thuggery - and we can STOP the thieves in their tracks. But we do not have time on our side. This is our LAST chance. Don't give up. We must act now.

If massive voter fraud has occured as alleged by so many, and if the state vote counts include these FRAUDULENT votes, then is it logical to say that the entire state vote is COMPROMISED and can't be trusted? 59,000,000 Americans might agree!

The state vote is used to determine the allocation of Electors in the Electoral College which actually elects the President and Vice President.

If the vote count is FRAUDULENT, FLAWED, and CAN'T BE TRUSTED - and if the Electors have been FRAUDULENTLY allocated based on FLAWED vote counts - then WE CANNOT ALLOW THE GOVERNORS TO SIGN THEIR CERTIFICATES of ASCERTAINMENT on December 17th. We can stop this if we ACT IMMEDIATELY.

***** CALL TO ARMS ***** FIVE STATE CAPITOLS ***** SEVEN DAYS *******

Patriots must rally NOW in the State Capitols of Harrisburg,PA - Richmond, VA - Tallahassee, FL - Columbus, OH, and Madison, WI ****** MASSIVE RALLIES ** *** PATRIOT LEADERS ORGANIZE YOUR LOCAL EFFORTS NOW, coordinate with the other PATRIOT groups as they also rally, let us know who you are and how you will respond, how we can help.

Remember the Battle of Trenton?

We can make HISTORY TODAY.'

More- Here

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The website,'Barack Obama Vote Fraud 2012' is keeping a running account of cases of voter fraud and what to do about it:

(Astonishing!)

Visit the site- Here


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Obama Voter Fraud on FaceBook- Here

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Sign this petition- almost 117,000 and counting -cards, email- Here

Sign the ‘We The People’ petition. It has 60,000 signatures and counting- Here

Click and sign the petition for a recount Here-

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CANADA FREE PRESS: Here

WND List of voter fraud reports Here
ATLAS SHRUGS voter fraud list. Here


Republican pole watchers; busloads of Somalians brought in Here
Another poll watcher observes voter fraud Here

Hannity and Col Allan West slam voter fraud Nov 12- Here

Photo of SOMALIANS brought to Ohio voting stations by the busload, 95% of whom did not speak English, and told to vote for Obama, straight Dem ticket- Here

'Human Events', report pollwatcher eyewitness to busload of Somalians at Ohio poll, spoke no English, told to vote Obama Here

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Must watch videos!

VIDEO-- Programmer Testifies About Rigging Elections With Vote Counting- Here

VIDEO- Illegal Aliens Caught Voting and Stealing Elections In Florida In Vast Numbers- Here

VIDEO- MICHAEL SAVAGE: How Obama fixed the 2012 election- Here

VIDEO- Massive voter fraud discovered in April- Here

VIDEO- Whistle blower speaks out about voter fraud- Here



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Voter fraud from Tea Party: Here

The American Dream- 22 Signs That Voter Fraud Is Wildly Out Of Control And The Election Was A Sham: Here

Town Hall : Obama Likely Won The Election Through Voter Fraud: Here

American Thinker: Was The Election Stolen:? Here

WSVN-TV Almost 1K Ballots Found In Broward Elections Warehouse: Here

Pundit Press; In Florida Obama Got Over 99% In Broward County Precincts: Here

Natural News.com: 19,605 to Zero IS Statistical Proof Of Outright Vote Fraud in 2012 Presidential Election: Here

Realville, USA: The Great Election Robbery of 2012? Here

WND: Here's How Touchscreens Killed Romney Votes: Here

The American Dream: Election Fraud? Obama Won More Than 99% Of The Vote in More Than 100 Ohio Precincrs: Here

WND: The Big List Of Voter Fraud Reports: Here

Nachum's List of Voter Fraud: Here

MORE:

Newt Gingrich 360: Here

Appalachian Forums: Here

Before It's News: Here

WND: Here

Political Outcast: Here

True The Vote: Here

Fox News Insider: Here

Human Events; Here

The Will County News: Here

Fox News: Here

WND: Here

Townhall: Here

Breitbart Here

Accuracy In Media The Left's national voter fraud strategy exposed: Here

Thousands of military votes uncounted or missing: Here

Human Events: Here

Front Page Magazine: Here

The Blaze Here

The Daily Caller: Here

Front Page Magazine Here

Military Voter Protection Project: Here

BreitBart Here

Townhall: Here

Fox News Here

The Blaze Here






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The best Obama Exposure site on the net, The Obama File: Here

The United StatesLibrary of Congress has selected TheObamaFile.com for inclusion in its historic collection of Internet materials Here







30 posted on 12/09/2012 7:48:17 AM PST by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN (girl type))
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To: Yosemitest; patriot08

Patriot08 - have you seen Yosemitest’s comment above?


31 posted on 12/09/2012 8:31:31 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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