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Walmart security shoots mother-of-2 shoplifting suspect dead in parking lot as she tries to flee
Daily Mail UK ^ | 8 Dec 2012 | James Nye

Posted on 12/08/2012 10:26:35 AM PST by smokingfrog

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To: smokingfrog

It said nowhere in the article she was trying to run over anyone.

You think the death penalty is correct for shoplifting? You people are really something.


51 posted on 12/08/2012 11:08:24 AM PST by cydcharisse (`)
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To: Bratch
"She was a good boy!"
52 posted on 12/08/2012 11:08:42 AM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: Izzy Dunne
I hope that you mean something different from what that says...

I should have put a little smiley face at the end of that.What I mean is that if I ever decide to engage in shoplifting for the *second* time (I shoplifted a pack of gum from a Woolworth's at age 11) it *won't* be in a store guarded by the NYPD (or the Harris County Sheriff's Dept).

53 posted on 12/08/2012 11:09:07 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: null and void

The “pulled out of his shoes” thing adds up with your guess that she tried to reverse out of the space and hooked the cop with the door.


54 posted on 12/08/2012 11:09:57 AM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: smokingfrog

Two things...

1. The dead chick put herself in position that opened her up to forced submission by authority (i.e. getting shot).

2. Give an authoritarian with a gun the legal cover to shoot you and they will take full advantage of it regardless of whether they or anybody around them are ACTUALLY in an actual life threatening situation.

I find the 2nd point actually more frightening than the first.


55 posted on 12/08/2012 11:10:17 AM PST by TruthBeforeAll (Liberals believe that if everybody lives in a sewer nobody will know that they do.)
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To: xrmusn
Tragically, Frey was’t even supposed to be at a Walmart that evening.

That was a quote from the article, I just failed to Italicize it.

56 posted on 12/08/2012 11:11:07 AM PST by Graybeard58 ("Civil rights” leader and MSNB-Hee Haw host Al Sharpton - Larry Elder)
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To: TruthBeforeAll

Actually :D


57 posted on 12/08/2012 11:11:48 AM PST by TruthBeforeAll (Liberals believe that if everybody lives in a sewer nobody will know that they do.)
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To: cydcharisse

There is a place for deadly force. This isn’t it. The off duty police officer used terrible judgement based on the initial report.


58 posted on 12/08/2012 11:13:28 AM PST by PsyOps
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To: smokingfrog

Something fishy here. Walmart guards I don’t believe are armed.


59 posted on 12/08/2012 11:14:02 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: DoughtyOne
As much as I want to see the lady stopped and prosecuted, what she did was not a capital offense.

As I understand, "what she did" (the shoplifting) is not even involved here, except as a lead-in. She was killed in a struggle with an armed, uniformed cop when she had an advantage of a vehicle.

The LEO's actions will be reviewed, of course. He can use the weapon only to protect himself or others from deadly harm. Shooting at a fleeing shoplifter is not it.

60 posted on 12/08/2012 11:14:29 AM PST by Greysard (Marxist Law of Distribution of Wealth: Shortages will be divided equally among the peasants.)
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To: cydcharisse

See post #50.


61 posted on 12/08/2012 11:14:54 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: smokingfrog

Scumbags like this dead woman and her friends cause my prices to go up to pay for their shoplifting.
Gee, what a tragedy.


62 posted on 12/08/2012 11:16:23 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Sloth

I believe one of the other shoplifters was charged with assaulting the officer when they were leaving the store — that ratchets things up to a higher level than just theft, which is probably why he drew his gun in the first place.

Walmart has cameras all over their parking lots, so maybe we’ll actually get to see if there is a reason the deputy believed he might be hit or run over by the shoplifters car.


63 posted on 12/08/2012 11:17:56 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: cydcharisse

She appears to have a long history. She’s a mom, which means she has spawn who likely will continue her tradition. I’m glad she has been removed from the gene pool.


64 posted on 12/08/2012 11:18:41 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize - Voltaire)
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To: smokingfrog

Just looked at the pictures of the three crooks at the link.

That is a lot of ugly in one car.


65 posted on 12/08/2012 11:18:47 AM PST by Iron Munro (Big Moo & Bronco 'Bama = Robbing From The Hood and Boy Blunder)
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To: smokingfrog

I hope it hurt.


66 posted on 12/08/2012 11:18:58 AM PST by Reynoldo
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To: freekitty

Some of therm are armed:

http://marketdailynews.com/2012/11/22/walmart-enlists-armed-guards-ahead-of-black-friday/


67 posted on 12/08/2012 11:20:50 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: sakic

We had a couple of those around here where the offduty cop shot the people in the back seat ~ if he’d really feared being run over he’d shot the driver through the front windshield of course!


68 posted on 12/08/2012 11:22:47 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Charles Martel

If Ubama had a daughter she’d look just like...
Oh wait! Ubama DOES have daughters. Maybe they can grow up to look like Turquillanda, or whatever her made-up name is.


69 posted on 12/08/2012 11:23:50 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

In the 80s I briefly worked for Bradlees a now defunct dept store chain (left to work for postal service...) Part of the training of being a dept. manager (hardware/paint) was hanging around with Security. We could see live video of people stealing and the security went out and made the pinch and brought them into the office, the videotape being evidence of the act. I forget what kind of penalty the offenders paid beyond being banned from the store but I think we had a police officer there and a woman with her kids was being arrested (brought into police station later). She started crying, waaah, here I am with my kid, what am I gonna do? The cop said “you should have thought about that before
you shoplifted...”

The security guy also used to have a little fun—record on one of the cameras and hit pause, then the shoppers would move away. Play it back and it was liked Bewitched...people suddenly disappearing.


70 posted on 12/08/2012 11:24:10 AM PST by raccoonradio
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To: cydcharisse

I agree and will take a LONG break from FR if this kind of sentiment becomes prevalant here. Many of these posters seem to have want her shot even if there were no other salient factors — such as aiming her car at the officer. They just want her dead, and probably most others of her race. In fact, these posters are no better than and indistinguisable from an Islamic mob.


71 posted on 12/08/2012 11:24:44 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: smokingfrog
as part of her plea arrangement she agreed to never enter Walmart stores again.

We was beat up by a Bible salesman and banished from Woolworths.

Everett, was it the one branch or all of them?


72 posted on 12/08/2012 11:24:44 AM PST by eartrumpet
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To: Moonman62
According to this story and others, the “security guard” was an off duty police officer and was in uniform. It’s possible that the officer thought he was going to be run over. We don’t know for sure because writers seem to get foggy when it comes to details that could justify the officer’s actions.

From the article:

After chasing Frey and the other two women to their car, Campbell opened the door and commanded them to stop, but the car was placed in drive and moved forward.

'I think it knocked him off balance and, in fear of his life and being ran over, he discharged his weapon at that point,' said Thomas Gilliland, Harris County Sheriff’s Office.


73 posted on 12/08/2012 11:28:47 AM PST by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: Texas Songwriter

You clearly are a person who does not understand the concept of degree. If you believe shoplifting is a crime whose consequence should be death your views are no different than fundamental Muslim law.

Upon second thought, their belief system is closer to the founding fathers than yours.


74 posted on 12/08/2012 11:29:27 AM PST by sakic
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To: Charles Martel
Trick with the shoes is it takes an awful lot of force to yank you out of your shoes ~ just saw that on one of those Myth Busters shows ~ they had to almost demolish the imitation flesh dummy to bust him out of his shoes.

The officers shoes may be lying in the lot for some other purpose, or maybe those aren't his shoes.

More information is required, but this guy was off duty, not really a cop at that point, and subject to Wal mart rules. They have a stable of good lawyers and they always win ~ but will they back him up?

75 posted on 12/08/2012 11:30:30 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Graybeard58
'Shelly was the perfect mom, perfect friend, perfect daughter,' said her father, Shelton Frey.

But, as it turns out, not the perfect shoplifter.

76 posted on 12/08/2012 11:32:30 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state." - Cornelius Tacitus, Roman Senator)
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To: Graybeard58

I understand, just got a little ‘lazy’, was heading back to the top and saw it on your contribution....


77 posted on 12/08/2012 11:34:23 AM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: Greysard
He can use the weapon only to protect himself or others from deadly harm.

Does speeding through a crowded parking lot full of people qualify?

78 posted on 12/08/2012 11:34:36 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

from a Houston paper “she threw it into reverse and tried to run over the deputy”

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Deputy-shoots-kills-suspected-shoplifter-4099921.php


79 posted on 12/08/2012 11:35:50 AM PST by raccoonradio
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To: freekitty
omething fishy here. Walmart guards I don’t believe are armed.

Off duty cop, in uniform.

80 posted on 12/08/2012 11:35:58 AM PST by Graybeard58 ("Civil rights” leader and MSNB-Hee Haw host Al Sharpton - Larry Elder)
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To: sakic

Death because she tried to run the guard over.

If she would have given up and not tried to kill the guard with her vehicle she would be a live today.


81 posted on 12/08/2012 11:39:43 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: smokingfrog

Any scumbag career criminal that happens to get offed during the commission of their crime gets no sympathy from me. Good riddence to the them. These are the types of human vermin that have helped turn the country into such a sewer. I’d pin a medal on the officer.


82 posted on 12/08/2012 11:41:18 AM PST by greene66
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To: American in Israel

I agree. No one should be killed for shoplifting.


83 posted on 12/08/2012 11:43:53 AM PST by ncpatriot
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To: raccoonradio

I can’t stand that reporter with the smarmy voice. Okay for TMZ but not appropriate for this type of subject.


84 posted on 12/08/2012 11:44:25 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: ncpatriot

She wasn’t killed for shoplifting.


85 posted on 12/08/2012 11:44:57 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: raccoonradio

He said he was pinned between the car door and the drivers seat while the car was accelerating backward.


86 posted on 12/08/2012 11:53:12 AM PST by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: null and void
I back in 99.9% of the time...Habit from career job Plus it easier to get out.
87 posted on 12/08/2012 11:55:28 AM PST by CGASMIA68
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To: American in Israel; sakic; Charles Martel; cydcharisse

http://www.chron.com/default/article/Deputy-shoots-and-kills-suspected-shoplifter-4099921.php

“Campbell confronted the women in the doorway and ordered them to stop. They tried to force their way past him. One of the women, later identified as Frey, hit the deputy and ran.... Campbell opened the car door and ordered Frey to get out. But she refused, officials said. Andrews began to drive away while the deputy was standing between the open door and the driver’s seat. She threw it in reverse and tried to run over the deputy”

The officer was not a fault. The theives were at fault. The driver is being held in jail on aggrevated robbery with a deadly weapon and the other for robbery. Since they committed crime in which a preson was killed, they will most likely be charged with murder. That’s three less scum off the streets.


88 posted on 12/08/2012 12:00:07 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Whenever I'm in NYC I try to stop in to B&H Photo,a large and well stocked electronics store.

Worth it for the experience alone.

89 posted on 12/08/2012 12:03:29 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Charles Martel

Shemale! Nice lips!


90 posted on 12/08/2012 12:04:05 PM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: smokingfrog
Does speeding through a crowded parking lot full of people qualify?

That is a very good question. The parking lot can be crowded or deserted. The exit from the lot can be close by or far away. How fast, exactly, was the car moving? Was there anyone to protect or not? This is something that can be answered only by investigators at the site, considering all of the above and more. Otherwise the police eventually will get the right to shoot us whenever they feel to it, no questions asked - just like they shoot dogs today. The fact that this particular victim is unsympathetic makes the slope even more slippery.

91 posted on 12/08/2012 12:05:48 PM PST by Greysard (Marxist Law of Distribution of Wealth: Shortages will be divided equally among the peasants.)
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To: Doc Savage
Let's wait until the smoke cleares and we get all of the facts.It is always amazing to me that we have to go to London to find out what is happening in our country
92 posted on 12/08/2012 12:07:14 PM PST by BooBoo1000 (Some times I wake up grumpy,,, other times I just let her sleep.)
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To: American in Israel

Stay in Israel. Apparently they love shoplifters who try to run down policemen there.


93 posted on 12/08/2012 12:08:04 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: All

One of my facebook friends who lives in Houston posted the story there.......when i clicked on the link he provided it said link was no good or something to that effect, when i put up my comment “Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson in 3- 2—1....” within seconds i got an error message withe the little yellow triangle, and “unable to post “

What`s with that ?


94 posted on 12/08/2012 12:08:22 PM PST by Einherjar ( Asking only workman's wages I come looking for a job But I get no offers...)
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To: Charles Martel

“I see she had enough money for nose jewelry.”

Dat be rasis!

She be entitled, ‘cause she be one of Holder’s People. Or was that “She be one of Obama’s daughters”?


95 posted on 12/08/2012 12:10:01 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."..)
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To: smokingfrog

Wow. A criminal who breaks the law. I’m shocked. And the British are idiots who can’t tell victims from perps.


96 posted on 12/08/2012 12:12:09 PM PST by PAR35
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To: null and void; Ditter; American in Israel

One minor correction:”That makes it self defense in my book, and everyone (especially Israel, of course!) has an absolute right of self defense!”


97 posted on 12/08/2012 12:13:27 PM PST by Colorado Cowgirl (God bless America!)
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To: American in Israel
Stupid, stupid man.

Your comment is indeed.

98 posted on 12/08/2012 12:16:08 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: bgill

At the point they hit the officer while going out the door, the offence became “assaulting an officer while resisting arrest “. Do that, and you generally WILL be shot.


99 posted on 12/08/2012 12:16:19 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize - Voltaire)
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To: muawiyah
Trick with the shoes is it takes an awful lot of force to yank you out of your shoes ~ just saw that on one of those Myth Busters shows ~ they had to almost demolish the imitation flesh dummy to bust him out of his shoes.

I've not seen that episode, but I suspect it involved a blast of some sort. Having played high school football, I know it's not unusual to see a shoe knocked loose. Getting snagged by an open car door and dragged sideways seems like a perfectly plausible way to get your shoes pulled off. If the driver cut the wheel to the right (swinging the front of the car to the left), the left front tire might've helped pull his shoes off.

100 posted on 12/08/2012 12:18:08 PM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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