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Democrats want jobless benefits in “cliff” deal
Associated Press ^ | Dec. 8, 2012 10:36 AM EST | Sam Hananel

Posted on 12/08/2012 11:15:44 AM PST by Olog-hai

Hovering in the background of the “fiscal cliff” debate is the prospect of 2 million people losing their unemployment benefits four days after Christmas.

“This is the real cliff,” said Sen. Jack Reed, D-R.I. He's been leading the effort to include another extension of benefits for the long-term unemployed in any deal to avert looming tax increases and massive spending cuts in January. “Many of these people are struggling to pay mortgages, to provide education for their children,” Reed said this past week as President Barack Obama and House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, rejected each other’s opening offers for a deficit deal.

Emergency jobless benefits for about 2.1 million people out of work more than six months will cease Dec. 29, and 1 million more will lose them over the next three months if Congress doesn’t extend the assistance again. Since the collapse of the economy in 2008, the government has poured $520 billion—an amount equal to about half its annual deficit in recent years—into unemployment benefit extensions.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: democrats; endlessdole; fiscalcliff; unemployment
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But relaxing draconian regulations and reducing the highest corporate tax rate on the entire planet in order to attract more jobs to US shores just cannot ever be in the deal, can it? Keep them out of work and miserable? That isn’t a fiscal cliff, then: it’s a fiscal abyss.
1 posted on 12/08/2012 11:15:54 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

what DON”T they want and what WON’T the gop give them?


2 posted on 12/08/2012 11:21:08 AM PST by The_Freemason (11/6/12....... I went to sleep in America and woke up in Venezuela)
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To: Olog-hai

How about we put FULL approval of the XL Keystone pipeline in the mix? That’s a few thousand jobs!


3 posted on 12/08/2012 11:26:06 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: Olog-hai

But I read every day how great it is that tens of millions illegals from other countries have jobs here.

We’re sunk.


4 posted on 12/08/2012 11:28:21 AM PST by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way!)
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To: Olog-hai
Well this is interesting.
Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish and he will sit in the boat and drink beer all day.
A few will blame ZERO. Most will blame weepy.
I have been feeling down until yesterday.
We overcame Pearl Harbor. We can certainly overcome the Lunatic. . . . . . . . .
5 posted on 12/08/2012 11:28:33 AM PST by DeaconRed (The Lunatic is on the grass, and in the White House. . . . (Brain Damage- Dark Side of the Moon))
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To: The_Freemason

They DON’T want to directly or indirectly stimulate the private sector because the mission of Socialists is to make EVERY job a government job. Employed or unemployed, 100% government paychecks is the goal. This keeps the EMPLOYER/CHECK ISSUER (the Socialists) IN POWER!


6 posted on 12/08/2012 11:29:58 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Yeah... bring Keystone back. And every group of so many added to or kept on the dole has to have so many domestic oil wells okayed. Tie welfare budget to productivity measures that are not just stupid stimuluses.


7 posted on 12/08/2012 11:30:00 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Olog-hai

“99 weeks of UC (Unemployment Compensation) is the equivalent to an Associate Degree from any College in America.” - Rush


8 posted on 12/08/2012 11:30:49 AM PST by carriage_hill (Don't whiz on the electric fence. Awwwww-yeah!)
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To: DeaconRed

can America overcome the Boehnless chicken?


9 posted on 12/08/2012 11:31:09 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

I would assume you read the other day that it was revealed that some 70% of all the new jobs supposedly “created” are government jobs.


10 posted on 12/08/2012 11:35:18 AM PST by livius
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To: Olog-hai

Who can “live” on unemployment insurance benefits? The payments are paltry in most states. I weorked as a veteran’s representative at a state unemployment office for 12 years.


11 posted on 12/08/2012 11:35:47 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: livius

I saw it but not everybody might.


12 posted on 12/08/2012 11:37:35 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Olog-hai
Democrats want (insert demand here).
13 posted on 12/08/2012 11:38:11 AM PST by JPG (Stay strong.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There’s a conglomeration of benefits that usually kick in for a dole case. Some states are fairly generous with UI, but there’s stuff like food stamps, Section 8, cash bennies. To be so much of a bum that you couldn’t even be a bum on the dole would be hard.


14 posted on 12/08/2012 11:39:30 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: JPG

I demand they be kicked from power.


15 posted on 12/08/2012 11:40:05 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Problem is, it makes you so weak that you can actually get invaded and conquered. The USSR was heading down that path, but then saw that the number of libs in the USA’s government was on the rise again, and so took advantage by declaring their empire “dissolved” (officially) only to have Putin come back at a later date to put it back together (officially).


16 posted on 12/08/2012 11:41:56 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

This is a classic, if gov bails out one, they are forced to bail out all. This is a lesson learned if we ever survive the recession. Working Americans do ask a good question if jobless bailouts are not approved, “Why does the gov react instantly to bailout banks to the tune of 700 billion, but hesitate when working man ask for a bailout to the tune of 60 billion? Working man is starting to figure it out, gov is for the rich and it spits on the rest”.
This recession is unlike any we faced post WW2, because the past behavior of gov is fueling class warfare. So does the behavior of the CEO’s. Dems do not need to egg the people, they merely are leveraging a bad situation to their political advantage. Old adage, when the middle class is sliding into poverty and become part of the poor, the Dems will gain politically. Look at the last Great Depression where FDR was able to be POTUS four terms despite bad economy. He was even very popular after his death into the 1970’s by the aging Great Depression generation. The GOP needs to understand this dynamics before screaming that everyone learn to be on their own, but have their reps in Congress react to the desires and whims of the corporations and Wall Street. The Tea Party wing gets it, but the establishment GOP does not. The other great GOP of the past also got it, he was Teddy Roosevelt.


17 posted on 12/08/2012 11:42:11 AM PST by Fee
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I have received UI several times but have never gotten food stamps, or anything else, even after surviving Hurricane Katrina in Biloxi. The food stamp office as much as came out and told me that middle-aged white males ain’t gonna get no help.


18 posted on 12/08/2012 11:44:31 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: Olog-hai

The house should pass two bills ASAP. One make permanent the Bush tax cuts up to 250 thousand and the second make permanent the Bush tax cuts over 250. That would eliminate the add ons that the dems are going to insist on and it would take away a major talking point of Obama’s .


19 posted on 12/08/2012 11:46:05 AM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Superciliousness is the essence of Obama)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Maybe state policies differ. In Ill Noise, getting food stamps is about as easy as showing you have a skimpy income, and the max UI level qualifies.


20 posted on 12/08/2012 11:46:30 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Fee

My late father’s family claims that Mrs. Roosevelt personally intervened when they were starving to death and the local government would do nothing for them. That builds enduring loyalty, no matter what you think of the policies of that administration.


21 posted on 12/08/2012 11:47:45 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: Olog-hai
long term unemployed

defined as those unemployed from 27-99 weeks (6 months to 2 years)

"Many of these people are struggling to pay mortgages, to provide education for their children,”

Cause = Effect.

Get a f**king job!

22 posted on 12/08/2012 11:47:57 AM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature ($1.84 - The price of a gallon of gas on Jan. 20th, 2009.)
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To: Olog-hai
The Left has always been about "wish lists," and the more cloud-borne the better.

People need to understand how the generation of Americans who gave us our independence & written Constitution, handled situations involving legitimate human need. See Thomas Jefferson's account of how Welfare was handled in 1782, Constitutional Overview.

We need to better hone our ability to explain reality to others. We have to convince & convert, or our future will be very bleak, indeed. (See Whither American Conservatism.)

William Flax

23 posted on 12/08/2012 11:48:19 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: carriage_hill

it was actually Newt Gingrich that said that in a Debate during the Primaries


24 posted on 12/08/2012 11:48:51 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: Olog-hai

This whole fiscal cliff thing is a sham.

They’ve had all year to work on this - ever since the “debt ceiling” debate and the “supercommittee” malarkey.


25 posted on 12/08/2012 11:49:13 AM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: DeaconRed

The American people didn’t vote twice to have Pearl Harbor bombed.


26 posted on 12/08/2012 11:50:06 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: Olog-hai

Want to see the unemployment rate start coming down for real? Don’t extend unemployment benefits.

There’s lots of stuff expiring on the 31st. And the payments to the layabouts are on the list.

The House should pass a single bill to extend all the Bush tax cuts for year and then adjourn. If the president calls the House back into session, a quorum should sit on their hands until the New Year.


27 posted on 12/08/2012 11:57:23 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: eyeamok

Thanks for the correction; I don’t know how I mis-attributed it from Google.


28 posted on 12/08/2012 11:59:18 AM PST by carriage_hill (Don't whiz on the electric fence. Awwwww-yeah!)
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To: livius

For some reason, it’s very obvious to me that 0bama is deliberately trying to extinguish the private sector. This should be talked about more, and he should be called on it. You can’t kill our free-market capitalist Republic without squashing the private sector. His actions clearly point to building an army of government employees, to the detriment of the private sector.


29 posted on 12/08/2012 12:06:09 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: Olog-hai

Repeal the taxes on Social security.


30 posted on 12/08/2012 12:09:23 PM PST by Not now, Not ever! (Girlfriend suggested I use pelosi in place of swear words, A good idea, I think)
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To: Olog-hai

hmmm...so “jobless” is the new “unemployed” eh? How PC of them.


31 posted on 12/08/2012 12:18:34 PM PST by bigbob
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To: Olog-hai

Extend it until easter, then they can cry that their insurance runs out on Easter and get another exteension until Christmas.


32 posted on 12/08/2012 12:19:26 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Olog-hai

Trying to make the Republicans look cold if they don’t agree.

Put the pipeline in and put AMERICANS to work.


33 posted on 12/08/2012 12:22:53 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda—Divide and conquer. FREEDOM OR FREE STUFF- YOU GET ONE CHOICE, CHOOSE WISELY)
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To: Olog-hai

These idjits think unemployment benefits are good for the economy as their policies detroy jobs


34 posted on 12/08/2012 12:23:53 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Olog-hai

Those jobless benefits and the threat of a tax increase are all a smokescreen, what Zero really wants is the power to SPEND money without the Congress’s approval. What has that body of gutless wonders ever denied Zero?


35 posted on 12/08/2012 12:24:15 PM PST by STD (“Cogito, ergo armatum sum)
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To: bigbob
Yes, it looks like more of Carlin’s “soft language”, which he didn’t blame on the Dems enough. His description of the declension—“shell shock → battle fatigue → operational exhaustion → post-traumatic stress disorder”—continues to be writ large by the libs.
36 posted on 12/08/2012 12:25:29 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

I am certain Bonehead and Cantor will bend over and give Obama
whatever he wants. After all, they are all members of the DC Party,
the party of never ending spending and tax increases.


37 posted on 12/08/2012 12:30:25 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: Olog-hai
Delay the extension for about 6 months. That will wake them up that maybe they might be better off getting a job. And if there is no jobs, then thank King Obama for killing off the job market. The Republicans had nothing to do with it.
38 posted on 12/08/2012 12:31:10 PM PST by Logical me
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To: Olog-hai
“We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”

And now we know how he intends to fund it.
39 posted on 12/08/2012 12:37:09 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: Olog-hai

It’s 99 weeks now. Almost two years. Now they want to extend it even longer Lots just make it permanent. Once you are on it you stay till you die. That solves everything. /sar


40 posted on 12/08/2012 12:41:37 PM PST by animal172 (RIP USA)
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To: Olog-hai
Hovering in the background of the “fiscal cliff” debate is the prospect of 2 million people losing their unemployment benefits four days after Christmas.

Not sure why the Democrats want to extend unemployment benefits AGAIN .... the easier thing for them to do is let them fall off the rolls, watch the unemployment rate fall (because millions are no longer counted as "unemployed") and declare success at re-vitalizing the economy!

(/extreme sarcasm)

41 posted on 12/08/2012 12:45:26 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Fee
Old adage, when the middle class is sliding into poverty and become part of the poor, the Dems will gain politically. Look at the last Great Depression where FDR was able to be POTUS four terms despite bad economy. He was even very popular after his death into the 1970’s by the aging Great Depression generation.

Sounds like the GOP loses either way. Truth of the matter is that FDR exacerbated the depression by making all of the wrong moves. Looks like Obama is headed in the same direction.

With the media covering for him I sure the GOP will get the blame either way. However, I don't believe that pretending to be an innocent bystander is the answer.

Let's just throw the brakes on this whole fiasco. The reason the economy is a mess is because Obama has strangled it with left wing idiocy. If we continue to let him cannibalize one industry after another we'll never recover.
No to unemployment, all or nothing on the Bush taxes, no increase in national debt. Yes to Simpson-Bowles and congress keeps a firm hand on the national purse and we start hard nosed negotiations on job creation.

42 posted on 12/08/2012 12:49:44 PM PST by oldbrowser (Put Obama in check, now.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s interesting, but the average unemployment check is greater than what one would make at a minimum wage job, and some folks do live on that. Granted, one would likely have to curtail one’s lifestyle, but it can be done.

You seem to suggest that the purpose of unemployment benefits is to keep one in the same financial position one was in prior to being laid off. That would be a pretty sweet deal.


43 posted on 12/08/2012 1:02:34 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

That’s a good deal if one doesn’t have a lot of debt or obligations. Hell, a married couple with no mortgage or rent obligation could do alright on unemployment benefits and food stamps, provided they didn’t spend frivolously.


44 posted on 12/08/2012 1:12:47 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
“because the mission of Socialists is to make EVERY job a government job.

In the Dems mind set those who are paid unemployment benefits are government employees. If they can create a government job, using taxpayer's money, the unemployed will move into it, and the ultimate cost stays the same. The same money shifts from one government cost source to another government cost source, and government grows.

The problem is that most of the bailouts were aimed a those who are represented by government employee unions. This group lives in la la land, because unemployment doesn't touch them.

45 posted on 12/08/2012 1:13:51 PM PST by Yulee (Village of Albion)
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To: Not now, Not ever!
“Repeal the taxes on Social security.”

The House should extend the Bush tax cuts permanently, repeal taxes on Social Security, and again submit a budget to the Senate.

At this point the Speaker of the House should go on national television during prime time, and point out that The House has passed budgets over the past two years, Senator Reid has refused to let the peoples representatives in the Senate vote on these budgets, and that the latest budget submitted by the President to the Senate was voted down by a vote of 98-0, by the same bipartisan Senate that Reid will not allow to vote on the House budget.

He should also point out that the President and the Democratically controlled Senate want to continue taxing the elderly, and tax everyone, not just the rich.

The House should then adjourn, and let Obama and Reid explain why they want to increase taxes, and why they insist upon taxing those who are retired.

46 posted on 12/08/2012 1:31:43 PM PST by Yulee (Village of Albion)
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To: Andrei Bulba

“We’re sunk.”
**********
Not yet, but we’re rapidly approaching the iceberg.


47 posted on 12/08/2012 1:41:17 PM PST by Starboard
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To: Olog-hai
Hovering in the background of the “fiscal cliff” debate is the prospect of 2 million people losing their unemployment benefits four days after Christmas

So the RATS want Baraq O'Claus to hand out some more goodies - no surprise there. WAKE UP AMERICA - THIS IS PRCISELY WHAT YOU VOTED FOR. NOW PAY UP.
48 posted on 12/08/2012 2:18:29 PM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: ought-six

No, I’m not suggesting that at all. But let me give you a weird example. One day I had a veteran come to see me at my suburban office to register for work. As I normally would do, I took a look at his wages for the last four quarters on my computer. His were in the multi-millions every quarter! Curious, I asked him about that. He said he had sold his insurance company (company, not just an agency) to a French firm and as part of the sale had agreed to stay on as an employee for six months. Now he was at our office to apply for UI since it was the first time he’d ever been an employee of someone else and eligible to apply. Do you think he really needed our $250 a week? LOL But no, it wasn’t designed to live on, only to barely tide you over as you looked for another job.


49 posted on 12/08/2012 3:30:38 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
THe Keystone XL pipeline is toast. Obama will never support it.

Why?

Go to Wikipedia....look up BNSF Railroad. (Burlington-Northern/Santa Fe). Look at their track map. Look at who owns it. The BNSF Railway is a wholly owned subsidiary of Berkshire Hathaway Inc. is known for its control by investor Warren Buffett. Connected the dots yet?

50 posted on 12/08/2012 3:35:29 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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