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1 shot after man attempts to intervene in couple's argument, police say(UT)
ksl.com ^ | 8 December, 2012 | David Self Newlin

Posted on 12/08/2012 5:10:22 PM PST by marktwain

WEST JORDAN — What appeared to be a fight between a couple turned into a much more serious shooting after an armed neighbor apparently tried to intervene.

Police say a they were called to the shooting at about 1 a.m. A man was arguing with his girlfriend in a car just outside the Woodgate apartment complex at 3581 W. Cobble Ridge Drive.

As the argument got more heated, a man walking his dog passed by, saw the argument, and asked the female if she needed help, according to West Jordan officer J.C. Holt.

An ensuing argument between the two men quickly turned into a fight.

"It was apparent that there was quite a physical altercation between these two," Holt said.

The man walking his dog was armed with a handgun, and at some point during the fight the gun "came into play" and discharged, striking the other man in the hip, according to Holt. He said that the bullet just missed the femoral artery.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: banglist; defense; domestic; ut
Chivalry lives.
1 posted on 12/08/2012 5:10:35 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

you never get involved in domestic fights.

this guy had really no idea exactly what was going on. he isn’t a police officer and has no immunity if someone lies to him or he decides to make a decision based on really knowing nothing about the situation.

assumptions will get you thrown in jail for felony assault and possibly manslaughter or murder-2.


2 posted on 12/08/2012 5:29:23 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: marktwain

Chivalry lives.


I think you are kidding.

Unless he was killing his girlfriend, and needed to be shot, mind your own business or call the police.


3 posted on 12/08/2012 5:30:34 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: marktwain

Been there.

At the time, was living in an apartment with girlfriend. Late in the evening, heard one heck of a ruckus from what seemed down in the parking lot (we were 2nd floor). We looked out....saw this car up on the main street between two medians....quite the quarrel going on. He was getting physical (obviously two blacks). I wasn’t going to let that pass. I walked down.....approached the car. Remember, this was the dead of night. I approached the driver side of the car and inquired of the young black lady (who was in the driver’s seat) if she was ok. That is all I wanted to know, period.....not looking for a fight.

Let’s just say home boy called me everything but white from the passenger seat....started to get out of the car to “kick my white ass”....and his girlfriend had the presence of mind to gun the car and pull him back in as she sped away to avoid what she knew was going to get ugly. I wasn’t packing......then; my girlfriend was. Know that what brought me out wasn’t the noise of her/him alone....he was getting physical. I don’t stand by and let that happen, no matter what.

Four cop cars arrived (girlfriend called 911). I told them what happened. They thanked me, scattered to the four winds to find this black a**hole quicker than you can say “...fresh batch of Dunkin’ Donuts on the shelf!”. God bless ‘em.

Got my ass chewed by girlfriend afterward. She knew she would cover my six, with a Glock 23 .40 cal....and was on her way when they sped off.

Emotions run high in lover’s quarrels, so you always have to be very, very careful. I just wanted to ensure the young lady was ok......that’s all. No hero, etc......but no Kitty Genovese in my neighborhood.


4 posted on 12/08/2012 5:31:55 PM PST by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: marktwain

Proverbs 26:17 Like one who takes a dog by the ears Is he who passes by and meddles with strife not belonging to him.


5 posted on 12/08/2012 5:39:34 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: RightOnline; All

Took in a woman looking for a place to stay, once. I was married at the time, decades ago. The boyfriend showed up, used a nasty tool to flatten two tires on her car. I had a .357 and decided that if he forced his way in, I would shoot him.

My wife and I knew them both. Later, I was told that one reason he did not come in was that he knew I had at least one gun, and some training. (I was assigned game warden duties as an extra duty at the time. We supplied our own guns.)

Later on, they made up and married. I said good riddance to both.


6 posted on 12/08/2012 5:41:09 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

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7 posted on 12/08/2012 5:41:26 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (Who can take tomorrow, Spend it all today? Who can take your income And tax it all away? Obama Man :)
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To: Secret Agent Man
you never get involved in domestic fights.

You are correct. I caution against it in my classes. One of the real dangers is that couples can be very protective of each other and often will lie after the fact.

I would probably intervene if I thought a life was in danger, so never is a bit too strong for me.

8 posted on 12/08/2012 5:45:30 PM PST by marktwain
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To: skinkinthegrass

Wonderful tagline.


9 posted on 12/08/2012 5:47:37 PM PST by marktwain
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To: RightOnline

40 some odd years ago (in a bar) I overpowered some feller who was slapping his girl around and while in this process, the girl hits me over the head with a beer mug. Go figure.


10 posted on 12/08/2012 5:49:23 PM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: RightOnline

Sounds like a keeper. Sounds like you didn’t.

Can you tell us?


11 posted on 12/08/2012 5:53:43 PM PST by marktwain
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To: umgud
40 some odd years ago (in a bar) I overpowered some feller who was slapping his girl around and while in this process, the girl hits me over the head with a beer mug. Go figure.

Not uncommon. Lots of police will tell you many simular sad tales.

12 posted on 12/08/2012 5:55:12 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

never shot a guy roughing up a woman. did give one a pretty good dose of pepper spray though. he was too big for me to tangle with.


13 posted on 12/08/2012 6:09:11 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: RightOnline

DH would have done the exact same thing — Southern Gentlemen from South Carolina - we have a 21-year old daughter and that’s what he would have seen, someone’s daughter.

BUT, we walk with a pit bull/police dog mix and DH is ALWAYS armed.


14 posted on 12/08/2012 6:13:39 PM PST by Bon of Babble (Instant Human....Add Coffee)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

That proverb popped into my mind when i saw the title. True words of wisdom.


15 posted on 12/08/2012 6:17:37 PM PST by Redcitizen (.)
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To: Secret Agent Man; marktwain
you never get involved in domestic fights.

Not good advice whether you are talking about couples or civil wars in Muslim countries. Great advice!

16 posted on 12/08/2012 6:55:03 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: marktwain
3rd person intervention is a really really hard choice.

Way too many times if it is a couple no matter how bad it gets from the other partner the other one sticks up for them.

Unless one personally knows what is going on I would not get involved. I would not intervene with out the power of the uniform to back me up.

With that one has the option of throwing both of them in jail if needed it has been done many times.

17 posted on 12/08/2012 6:57:07 PM PST by riverrunner
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To: SaraJohnson

When you get involved in a domestic dispute, 9 times out of 10 they will both turn on you.


18 posted on 12/08/2012 7:19:04 PM PST by Venturer
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To: RightOnline

Women who go with a-holes like this usually know what is coming.

Most times a violent argument is not the first they hjave had, If she goes back for more after the first time I say Shame on her. She is on her own.


19 posted on 12/08/2012 7:22:12 PM PST by Venturer
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To: marktwain

again you may not know the reasons behind it, they may be defending themselves too.


20 posted on 12/08/2012 8:52:02 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

LBJ should have meditated on that one......


21 posted on 12/08/2012 9:05:47 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: marktwain; All
unfortunately..w the GOP/E Congressional Ldrs. (Criminal Cabal)
these morons, aren't even offering any opposition to 0'Bozo's actions
They're saying; "Please! Shoot US in the head...
Please..pretty Please.
hence..the changed tagline..
22 posted on 12/08/2012 11:37:31 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (Who'll take tomorrow,spend it all today; who can take your income & tax it all away..0Bama man can :)
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To: umgud

Around the same time as you I was a young deputy in West TX. Got a call to an address we were all to familiar with, they were regulars. I walk in and she’s bleeding from the mouth and the nose, he’s got blood on his hands. I took him down and was putting the cuffs on him, she sticks a 4 inch kitchen knife into my left lung. He got 90 days in county she got 3 years in the state.


23 posted on 12/09/2012 3:30:05 AM PST by Dusty Road
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To: marktwain

Wow! Stupid women. I will never understand women like that....nor feel too sorry for them when they go back to the abusive guy. (Yeah, I know Dr. Phil says there are psychological reasons for doing so, but in my eyes that is all Bravo Sierra)


24 posted on 12/09/2012 4:08:20 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: RightOnline
Albert Einstein said "The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing."

What you did was right. And more people should do likewise

25 posted on 12/09/2012 7:45:16 AM PST by alligator (To be ignorant of one's ignorance is the malady of the ignorant.)
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