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Disowned for Voting Republican: Part II
Vanity | November 8, 2012 | Behind the Blue Wall

Posted on 12/08/2012 8:54:54 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall

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1 posted on 12/08/2012 8:55:08 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

Is there a Cliff’s Notes version.


2 posted on 12/08/2012 9:07:19 PM PST by deadrock
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

I believe we have a new record. The longest vanity ever on the Free
Republic.


3 posted on 12/08/2012 9:07:46 PM PST by TruthWillWin (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

geez...

Not going to even try to read all this.

Are you no longer disowned?


4 posted on 12/08/2012 9:11:06 PM PST by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - both were a coup d'etat.)
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To: DEADROCK

Cliff Notes: If I don’t vote for Obama, it’s because I’m a race traitor, or worse. My response: stop being a racist and look at the facts.


5 posted on 12/08/2012 9:17:11 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: Aria
Are you no longer disowned? Not sure yet how all of this will turn out. This is my attempt to explain myself.
6 posted on 12/08/2012 9:18:26 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

All of this for a FIL who wants you to vote against the economic interests of you children, or for that matter, the futures of all children? Sorry, I couldn’t bring myself to go through so many machinations for someone like this.


7 posted on 12/08/2012 9:19:07 PM PST by Greenpees (Coulda Shoulda Woulda)
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To: Greenpees
I couldn’t bring myself to go through so many machinations for someone like this.

Part of it is just an opportunity to put into writing a lot of what I've been thinking lately. But yes, I'll certainly have limited patience for much more of this going forward.

8 posted on 12/08/2012 9:21:40 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

I’m so sad that radicals are still using racism to divide and conquer our nation for power.

When unions were all white, they racially demonized blacks with social doctrines taught in history and civics. After we tore down structures of segregation, now the Left came up with social studies to demonize whites and name minorities morally superior for power. I do not understand why we permit it to go on in our children.

Race hate and it’s twin, race pride, is a lie - ugly no matter who is spewing it and no matter their rationale. There is no racial lines that separate us; we only do that ourselves because we are...stupid or evil? No group of human being has gone through history innocent of hate, oppression and war. Not purely evil; not purely good. That is why race shame and race gulit are are as terrible as race hate and resentment. Tribal/racial resentment and hate is the exact opposite of the central message Jesus taught people! And most blacks and whites in the US are Christians! But they let this continue on.

Look at all our people we allow to be cut off from each on race hate doctrine and power games! It seems the left could “progress” to sell their utopian ideology and vison minus the race and sex hate. Men and women should not hate one another’s nature and individual meaning and races of people should not define themselves as separate by race.

That is why I am not a Democrat. But when you argue against and reject the radical race haters, you are named a racial diversity hater. It’s so demented. When will Americans stop tolerating racial doctrines, fear and hate?


9 posted on 12/08/2012 9:22:06 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

Well, good luck.

I don’t talk politics with my liberal relatives. Learned my lesson after a blow up in a restaurant. Either they will see the consequences of their votes or they won’t. Nothing I can do about it - but I have NO apologies for my votes.


10 posted on 12/08/2012 9:23:52 PM PST by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - both were a coup d'etat.)
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

While I salute your determined response, This and ALL other Lib arguments relating to Obama and Lib politics in general can be shut down by asking and demanding an answer to the following question.

“Do you believe MLK was a liar or do you believe that the color of a man’s skin really trumps all else just as all racists do?”

When race comes up in any discussion, counter with the above and do NOT allow the opponent to duck/dodge/fillibuster.

Make them answer or make them spaz out to the point where anyone watching their ‘performance’ KNOWS what they are.


11 posted on 12/08/2012 9:24:14 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: SaraJohnson

You hit the nail right on the head with your comment. The reason is clear however: the Left would never come anywhere close to power in the U.S. were it not for racial divisions. They play this race card over and over because it is effective in allowing them to win and maintain power. Really, it’s the same reason that it has always been played, everywhere and at all times.


12 posted on 12/08/2012 9:24:41 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

Fellow melanin-enriched conservative here. Pleased to meet you.

I saw your first report about this exchange with your father-in-law. Pardon if I don’t read through the follow-up tonight, but it’s late and I really only wanted to touch base and let you know that I feel yer pain :-)

I come from a huge family of west coast libs, of which I am the sole conservative/Tea Party/Patriot/Rebel. I’ve been near-persona non grata with the family since sometime during Clinton’s second term because of breaking ranks and escaping the Dem-lib mind control plantation.

It took a few years, but I eventually made peace with it all. A number of my kin also finally just accepted that I was never coming back to the left-wing fold. Others haven’t, but that no longer bothers me. They’re welcome to their viewpoints. I have mine, and nothing they ever do or say will change them.

Anyhow, I’ll stop back by your thread tomorrow and read more of it. I think it’s healthy that you’re having this debate with your father-in-law, but steel yourself for the possibility that you’ll never reach him. I stopped trying to talk sense into libs a long time ago, due to their immunity to fact, logic, and reason.


13 posted on 12/08/2012 9:25:50 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Yes, you are right. Everything they stand for is diametrically opposed to the whole concept of a man being judged by the content of his character and not the color of his skin.


14 posted on 12/08/2012 9:26:41 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: Behind the Blue Wall
you have a long row to hoe ahead of you, keep the faith...
15 posted on 12/08/2012 9:28:36 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

“We just need to find a way to get past the short-circuiting of that debate by the endless propaganda campaign that convinces blacks that Democrats are their “friends” and Republicans the “enemy”.”

Perhaps there is a better way to go about this. You will not be able to convince him that Republicans are not his enemy... so don’t try.

There is a serious third party movement here on FR. The GOPe are fleeing conservative principles, so why defend them?

Tell your father-in-law that there needs to be a third party. Highlight what the Dems do. But you must first construct another way for him go. He will not fall into the arms of the “Republican Party.” They are the Enemy to him.

Liberals think with their emotions, not logic. Don’t argue logic with a liberal. Engage their emotions. Describe how it will FEEL when the President spends all of America’s money and “there isn’t any left.” Make it simple.

Then lay out this third party that should exist. I’m not saying there will be one (I think there will be one soon) but by putting another piece on the table perhaps you can start to shake his thoughts about what side he is on.


16 posted on 12/08/2012 9:28:49 PM PST by PastorBooks
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To: Windflier

Thanks for the kind words. I’ll look forward to hearing from you tomorrow. I’m definitely “steeled” to the possibility that I’ll get nowhere with my FIL, but actually there are several people being cc’d on the exchange who are “persuadable”, so there’s sort of another audience as well.


17 posted on 12/08/2012 9:29:54 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: SaraJohnson

Excellent post!


18 posted on 12/08/2012 9:31:16 PM PST by PastorBooks
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

I would be fascinated to know how the FIL reacts to your heartfelt plea for sanity/reason. I pray for you and your family....as well as our nation.


19 posted on 12/08/2012 9:31:51 PM PST by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

I’ll check out the full email when I have a little more time, however, I’d like to welcome you to the board. I’m new to FR as well, and I also feel like it’s the only board where I can freely share my beliefs and conservative values.

I also don’t understand why we feel the need to have a pissing match about who is the most conservative, or who isn’t conservative enough. We’re all obviously conservative, to vary degrees. I understand the frustration among conservatives as it relates to idiots like Boehner... but I don’t understand the hostility aimed at newer conservatives like you who have just now seen the light.


20 posted on 12/08/2012 9:32:18 PM PST by HawkHogan
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To: Windflier

“Fellow melanin-enriched conservative here”

This is wholly unfair. I am lacking. In the new America you are required to give to those ud is without.

So pay up ;)


21 posted on 12/08/2012 9:32:18 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: PastorBooks
Tell your father-in-law that there needs to be a third party.

Yes, I could much more easily get away with telling all of my friends and family that I'm voting third party. Even the Libertarian Party is not the dreaded "Republicans". Unfortunately, there is no viable third party as of yet, and I don't see one developing any traction any time soon.

22 posted on 12/08/2012 9:33:05 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: Norm Lenhart

Grrrr....

“Give to those of us who are without.

(I need sleep..._


23 posted on 12/08/2012 9:34:11 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

A few observations: maybe you live in a part of the country with no telephones, but I am skeptical of the legitimacy of this as correspondence with your in law.

Next, it’s like an old quarreling couple. No one is getting disowned while writing encyclopedic letters back and forth.

And just to throw in a political comment. When they talk about a business man’s “fair share”, just what is being shared by a welfare family that gets their food, clothing and shelter from other people, and works not a day in their lives? Our morality in this country is 180 degrees backward.


24 posted on 12/08/2012 9:36:17 PM PST by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way!)
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To: HawkHogan
I don’t understand the hostility aimed at newer conservatives like you who have just now seen the light.

Yeah, I caught a little flak on the last go round. I do understand it to an extent. If I and a few million others like myself had "seen the light" four years ago, we wouldn't be in the mess that we're in now. I can see how people might be a bit po'd about that. If they knew my influences throughout my entire life though, they wouldn't hold me responsible at all. I grew up deep "Behind the Blue Wall"!

25 posted on 12/08/2012 9:36:39 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

I read almost all of it — just a little speed reading here and there. I am impressed by your depth of commitment to principle, and especially impressed by the final several paragraphs. Wow. Your wife is a lucky woman. And your father-in-law needs to give you respect.


26 posted on 12/08/2012 9:37:58 PM PST by Albion Wilde (Government can't redistribute talent, willpower, or intelligence, except through dictatorship.)
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To: Andrei Bulba

Not sure what you mean about the “legitimacy” but it’s certainly real. I would NOT want to try to have this conversation on the phone because it would devolve into a screaming match very quickly, and things would be said and later regretted.

But you’re probably right; as long as there is this sort of exchange, no one is getting disowned. That’s why I initiated it.


27 posted on 12/08/2012 9:39:20 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: Norm Lenhart
I am lacking. In the new America you are required to give to those ud is without.

So pay up ;)

Cin we jus do the blood brother thing? I don' wanna give up no skin ;-)

28 posted on 12/08/2012 9:39:20 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

Dreaded republicans my rear end. The election was lost with 51% going to Obama because of a straight racial black vote. Get off your damn knees and grow a pair like a man.

Once again, I am at a loss as to how a non working bunch of bums on welfare can possibly bitch about not getting enough enough from people who earned what they have. Republicans are not dreaded, but they are idiots.

It’s the welfare bums who are not doing their “fair share”. In fact, they aren’t doing anything.


29 posted on 12/08/2012 9:41:04 PM PST by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way!)
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To: Albion Wilde

Thanks for making your way through it and the kind words.


30 posted on 12/08/2012 9:41:24 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

I see many contradictions in the words that are in italics.

I guarantee you that if a black conservative born in Africa were to run for president, and it looked like he might actually win, the liberals would put the NBC issue front and center.


31 posted on 12/08/2012 9:41:45 PM PST by Terry Mross (I haven't watched the news since the election. Someone ping me if anything big happens.)
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

No offense but for a learned man your FIL is quite the koolaid drinker. I don’t believe that he missed a single PMSNBC talking point. So you certainly have your work cut out for you!

Good luck.


32 posted on 12/08/2012 9:41:52 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

The election is over and he got what he wanted. Why can’t he be content with that and leave you alone?


33 posted on 12/08/2012 9:43:09 PM PST by A_perfect_lady (Great nations are born stoic and die epicurean. -Will Durant)
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

I do not see the basis for a screaming match in any of this. Maybe a long nap. I do not believe this is actual correspondence with your in law. Just me.


34 posted on 12/08/2012 9:43:17 PM PST by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way!)
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To: Windflier

Oh OK... (fine be that way...)

But I draw the line at doing a live duet of Ebony and Ivory. I would not want to embarrass both of us ;)

And BELIEVE me. If you ever heard me sing, you would be embarrassed for both of is.


35 posted on 12/08/2012 9:43:31 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

I read enough to know he’s hopeless. A moron. Don’t waste any more of your time.

If he has a lot of money, butter him up. If not, just be polite.


36 posted on 12/08/2012 9:45:09 PM PST by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a baby girl's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Grrrr 2

Is = US.

That’s it. I’m going to bed. I can’t type straight anymore.


37 posted on 12/08/2012 9:46:24 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: rockrr
I don’t believe that he missed a single PMSNBC talking point.

I was thinking much the same. His entire email to me was just a recitation of what you would probably hear in the course of a week or so of watching MSNBC. I think I tried to base my arguments in my actual experiences and raw data.

38 posted on 12/08/2012 9:46:43 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

That is a ridiculous vanity, you dredge up every issue in the world in a book length vanity, from pot, to birtherism, to slavery, KKK, corporatism, and on and on and on, and then ask people to respond.

What are we to say? What is the subject here? What is the theme, do we just all start going off on everything at once, with the pot guys going on pot, the birthers getting into their area, the people who are interested in the civil rights parts, slavery, and the KKK history jumping in, Romney, Obama, American exceptionalism, OWS, what are we supposed to be talking about?


39 posted on 12/08/2012 9:48:43 PM PST by ansel12 (A.Coulter2005(truncated)Romney will never recover from his Court's create of a right to gay marriage)
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To: Behind the Blue Wall
Don't be disappointed if you meet a brick wall. "Hear me now; believe me later" should be your mantra. He has definitely internalized the Kool Aid. Also, a different generation did experience some shocking discriminatory events. I am 67 and remember some things with real shame (I am white) on our summer vacation trips to South Carolina in the 50s-60s. Old attitudes die hard.

It's amazing to me how the Democrats have managed to steal credit for being the "friend of the minorities" when it was the Republican party who consistently made all the first moves and had to ram them through. Both parties should be accountable to all citizens; and all citizens should be able to vote as they see their unique set of interests reflected in one party or the other from time to time. Unfortunately, many see their political party as a religion.

40 posted on 12/08/2012 9:49:01 PM PST by Albion Wilde (Government can't redistribute talent, willpower, or intelligence, except through dictatorship.)
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To: Arthur McGowan

Fortunately (or not), money is not a factor here. If he “disowns me” it’s only in the metaphorical sense.


41 posted on 12/08/2012 9:49:35 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: ansel12
what are we supposed to be talking about?

Whatever you want, I guess, but the topic I'm most interested in is whether there are arguments in there that could contribute to finding common ground between blacks and conservatives.

42 posted on 12/08/2012 9:52:08 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

Excellent post.


43 posted on 12/08/2012 9:52:53 PM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: Norm Lenhart
Oh OK... (fine be that way...)

Now hold on a minute. I might be 'enriched', but that doesn't mean I'm in the 1%! I only gots so much melanin, and I dang sure didn't steal any of it! It's mine, dammit!

Now we can do the blood brother thing, but I gotta warn ya, I got a little Injun and honky blood mixed in there. Hope you don't mind!

44 posted on 12/08/2012 9:54:34 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Albion Wilde
>p>It's amazing to me how the Democrats have managed to steal credit for being the "friend of the minorities" when it was the Republican party who consistently made all the first moves and had to ram them through.

Yeah, that was certainly a very smooth trick. I think a lot of that goes back to the way in which the fight for equal rights under the law quickly morphed into a fight for special rights under the law. Ironically, once again Republicans were for equal rights, and the Democrats for special rights, except now the racial beneficiaries of the special rights switched places.

45 posted on 12/08/2012 9:55:55 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

I have to say,you are one very patient,passionate and determined person.
Keep it up!


46 posted on 12/08/2012 9:56:11 PM PST by peteyd (A dog may bite you in the ass,but it will never stab you in the back.)
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To: Behind the Blue Wall
I didn't read the entire post, but I read enough of it to know that your father is simply spouting the usual Leftist talking points without thought. Some of what he says simply makes no sense at all. His comments on Romney are pure boilerplate drivel straight from the Obama talking points. Very little of it is based in truth, but it is repeated ad nauseum by the Left until it becomes a "truth".

And therein lies our problem right now - we are dealing with people that simply cannot tell the truth if their life depended on it. But, their lies are effective and there is no counter from the Right. Frankly, I can't imagine being Boehner and the GOP trying to make a deal with Obama and his minions - they'll lie to your face and then go on TV and state just the opposite of what was said in private (not a new tactic for the Left, to be sure). And people like your father just buy into all of it without questioning what effect a dominant Democrat Party would have on their lives. But, they are going to find out, I'm afraid.

47 posted on 12/08/2012 9:56:38 PM PST by Major Matt Mason ("Journalism is dead. All news is suspect." - Noamie)
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To: Behind the Blue Wall
...in the interest of brevity.

Yikes!

48 posted on 12/08/2012 9:59:51 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

I read almost all of it. You’ve obviously put a lot of thought into your positions, and not gotten bogged down with the superfluous. It would be nice if more people could reach such clarify, and be able to express it, especially to someone locked into their opposing position which is really a comfort zone. I will finish reading tomorrow, but hope you and your fil can keep up the exchange, You will both benefit.


49 posted on 12/08/2012 10:00:38 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: Major Matt Mason
we are dealing with people that simply cannot tell the truth if their life depended on it. But, their lies are effective and there is no counter from the Right.

Exactly. And luckily it's my father in law, not by father. My father's a big Lib too, but a thinker, not a drone, and I can have good discussions with him. But yes, we have a major problem in that the Progressive-Democratic Party-MSM machine is fully capable of turning any lie into a "truth" believed in by enough people to carry an election. It's truly scary to contemplate.

50 posted on 12/08/2012 10:01:38 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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