Skip to comments.Disowned for Voting Republican: Part II
Posted on 12/08/2012 8:54:54 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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Fortunately (or not), money is not a factor here. If he “disowns me” it’s only in the metaphorical sense.
Whatever you want, I guess, but the topic I'm most interested in is whether there are arguments in there that could contribute to finding common ground between blacks and conservatives.
Now hold on a minute. I might be 'enriched', but that doesn't mean I'm in the 1%! I only gots so much melanin, and I dang sure didn't steal any of it! It's mine, dammit!
Now we can do the blood brother thing, but I gotta warn ya, I got a little Injun and honky blood mixed in there. Hope you don't mind!
Yeah, that was certainly a very smooth trick. I think a lot of that goes back to the way in which the fight for equal rights under the law quickly morphed into a fight for special rights under the law. Ironically, once again Republicans were for equal rights, and the Democrats for special rights, except now the racial beneficiaries of the special rights switched places.
I have to say,you are one very patient,passionate and determined person.
Keep it up!
And therein lies our problem right now - we are dealing with people that simply cannot tell the truth if their life depended on it. But, their lies are effective and there is no counter from the Right. Frankly, I can't imagine being Boehner and the GOP trying to make a deal with Obama and his minions - they'll lie to your face and then go on TV and state just the opposite of what was said in private (not a new tactic for the Left, to be sure). And people like your father just buy into all of it without questioning what effect a dominant Democrat Party would have on their lives. But, they are going to find out, I'm afraid.
I read almost all of it. You’ve obviously put a lot of thought into your positions, and not gotten bogged down with the superfluous. It would be nice if more people could reach such clarify, and be able to express it, especially to someone locked into their opposing position which is really a comfort zone. I will finish reading tomorrow, but hope you and your fil can keep up the exchange, You will both benefit.
Exactly. And luckily it's my father in law, not by father. My father's a big Lib too, but a thinker, not a drone, and I can have good discussions with him. But yes, we have a major problem in that the Progressive-Democratic Party-MSM machine is fully capable of turning any lie into a "truth" believed in by enough people to carry an election. It's truly scary to contemplate.
But that was my whole point, you just threw a pile of all kinds of topics into a massive vanity, and said, 'discuss', they are all hot button issues, some of them of serious disagreement her, yet you mashed them all into a single vanity and say, 'have at it boys'.
By the way, I'm a terrible and lazy writer, so my posts seem harsher than if I was talking to you, I admire that you are such an engaged writer and thinker with your FIL, and I'm excited about your political growth, I do wonder if you are going to become a conservative, or split the difference and choose to stop between conservatism and radical leftism, by switching to calling yourself libertarian.
Thanks for putting in the effort to read it. Hopefully, there is a tiny bit of his consciousness that is still open to another view.
It was laways the Republican administrations that appointed blacks on the basis of merit rather than pandering. You could always count on the Democrats to throw blacks into their designated posts at domestic graft factories like HUD and Education while the Republicans were first to appoint blacks to critical posts like Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, and National Security Advisor.
What I could never figure out is why blacks fall for the rat con job?
It's a good question. There are a couple of places where I seriously part with libertarians. I don't think it came through in this post as much as my last one, but I have no patience for any thought of appeasing radical Islam. I think it's absolutely the current-day equivalent of the Nazi movement in the 1930's, and we made a big mistake being "isolationist" then, and I don't think we should do the same today. Wherever on Earth they stick their heads up out of the ground, we should act as quickly as possible to cut it off.
I also split with most libertarians on abortion. Social issues where we are talking about consenting adults doing X, Y, or Z voluntarily, and nobody is directly affected, OK, those I'm probably more libertarian. But abortion is the taking of an innocent life, and it is the first priority of government to protect human life.
I do think that Judeo-Christian ethics and morality are the foundation of civil society and our legal system, but only at the more abstract level. When you start getting into more detailed interpretations of religious views, I'm not sure that encoding those interpretations into law is a good idea.
But then again I am legendary in my personal circles for leaving bloody stumps on myself where there once were the "limbs" of relationships.
I agree with others, that your FIL is most likely a hopeless cause. He’s spouting all the MSNBC talking points without missing a beat, including some of the outright laws.
I have a very diverse group of friends, including a couple black and mixed conservative friends. However, I also have a couple black liberal friends who are just as hopeless as your FIL. They completely disregard politics for four years, but come election season, my Facebook starts to get flooded with ridiculous MSNBC/Huffpo garbage. I tried to engage them about what the deficit/debt/Obamacare, etc will mean for our future, but they just kept spouting the typical liberal bull shit.
They kept playing the “we care about others” card that liberals always fall back on when they know they don’t have an argument. I pointed out the fact that neither of them actually gave to charity, so they just believe that government forced redistribution equated to charity. I’ve come to the conclusion, that many liberals are hopeless causes, especially the ones who went all in with Barack Obama for a second term. They honestly believe that they are noble and just, and conservatives are evil and greedy.
Oh, and I’m not quite ready to say that the government should not provide any sort of social safety net. Ideally, nearly everyone should be taken care of by a good economy, strong families, and charity, but realistically, there might still be those who fall through the cracks, and in a modern, relatively affluence society, I don’t think they should be left for dead. Now, that’s nothing similar to the Democrat policy of basically bribing as much of the population as possible with social welfare programs in order to create an ever-growing class of permanent Democrat voters.
I think those were fantastic responses!
I've made that argument a number of times. It ought to be obvious that Dem's want blacks "in their place" no matter their merit, whereas Republicans actually give them a real shot if they're up to it (not that Powell was, unfortunately).
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