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The Military Knows It Has a Morality Problem
National Journal ^ | December 6, 2012 | James Kitfield

Posted on 12/09/2012 8:09:14 AM PST by DJ Taylor

It has not been a good year for America’s armed forces. David Petraeus’s extramarital affair dominated headlines; 25 instructors are under investigation for systematic sexual abuse of cadets at Lackland Air Force Base; and a rash of senior officers—at the rank of colonel or higher—have been reprimanded for serious misconduct. Last month, Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, wrote to all four-star generals and flag officers asking for institutional soul-searching. Has the military’s behavior, he seemed to be asking, threatened the “sacred trust” among top officers, the men and women they lead, and the American people? “I know you share my concern when events occur that call that trust into question,” Dempsey wrote in the memo obtained by National Journal. “We must be alert to even the perception that our Nation’s most senior officers have lost their way.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: military; morality
This writer blames the military for the current state of moral decay within our armed forces, but let me remind you that the moral state of our country’s military is only a manifestation of the American society from whence it’s derived. If there’s moral decay within our country’s military, it’s only because the American people are now, in comparison with previous generations, morally corrupt.

If our military has in fact been damaged by a moral injury as this writer believes, it occurred long before these service men/women entered the military.

1 posted on 12/09/2012 8:09:23 AM PST by DJ Taylor
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To: DJ Taylor
Our enemies are laughing, and preparing.


2 posted on 12/09/2012 8:14:31 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: DJ Taylor
I agree that this is very much a societal problem. Time after time, people see something which takes morality seriously (let's take the institution of marriage, for example) and their response is: "That offends me." And the Establishment's response has been -- "Hey! That guy over there in San Francisco is offended! We can't have that! Now, listen up! We've got to pass laws, we've got to take this to the Supreme Court! We can't have anyone be offended! Let's fix this! ASAP!"

There is no will in this country to say, "You're offended? Well, deal with it -- and know that you are on the wrong side of this issue."

The military is just a reflection of the greater problem: We are afraid to pass judgment on moral behavior.

3 posted on 12/09/2012 8:15:06 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Republicans have made themselves useless, toothless, and clueless.)
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To: DJ Taylor

You’re going to see more and more of this.


4 posted on 12/09/2012 8:18:54 AM PST by ichabod1 (Spriiingtime for islam, and tyranny. Winter for US and frieeends. . .)
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To: DJ Taylor

True to a point, but where are the resignations of generals and admirals?

Instead of taking off their uniforms and going on television, they are “all in” for the gay agenda, gay and straight “troops” sleeping around right and left, women in combat, women on submarines, etc etc.

The generals and admirals are nothing but power-hungry whores, who are riding the military down to destruction.

In 1950 the U.S. Army very nearly “broke” in Korea. It was very close to a total rout, and those were some very tough men, many WW2 combat vets.

Imagine our military of today, full of “diverse” affirmative-action promoted officers, open homosexuals, militant feminists, etc, facing a 1950-like retreat.

They will utterly shatter and break. It will be a terrible defeat for our military and country when it happens. I’m not referring to “remote control” drone wars “fought” from command centers in Nevada, dropping missiles on Yemen or A-stan. I’m talking about something like Korea, 1950.

Our military will shatter and be destroyed under those conditions.

Ditto our warships, after being torpedoed or struck by missiles, on fire and in danger of sinking. Picture 1/4 of the crew dead, 1/4 badly burned or wounded, and the other 1/2 fighting to keep the ship afloat and in the fight.

THis happens in “real” naval warfare, not the clean “television version” we think is reality today. Imagine it happening with 10% of the crew made up of young girls: burned, dead, surviving, the ship on fire, listing.

It’s going to be a total nightmare, when (not if) our military is forced to fight a “real” war, and not a clean “drone war.”


5 posted on 12/09/2012 8:24:09 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: DJ Taylor

Take a look at the President who leads the Military. He advocates homosexuality.


6 posted on 12/09/2012 8:25:34 AM PST by Parmy
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To: Travis McGee
"“We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst.”

~ CS Lewis

7 posted on 12/09/2012 8:26:21 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: DJ Taylor

Dempsey is an obama ferret trying to get other four stars to compromise their integrity so they too can be thrown out of the military.


8 posted on 12/09/2012 8:26:48 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Joe 6-pack

CS Lewis: what a brilliant mind. Timeless lessons.


9 posted on 12/09/2012 8:27:50 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: DJ Taylor

The rot starts at the top and the military reflects the society it defends.


10 posted on 12/09/2012 8:27:56 AM PST by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat they sh#t on.)
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To: onedoug


11 posted on 12/09/2012 8:30:08 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
Disgusting, no other word for it
12 posted on 12/09/2012 8:33:45 AM PST by reefdiver
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To: Travis McGee
Well said, as usual.

I see a very good chance of the US Navy facing a "Jutland" scenario. We don't have many ships today. Each ship costs a huge amount. If we have a real naval battle (even if we "win") we are likely to pull our navy into port and just wait until the fighting stops -- can't risk such valuable stuff!

13 posted on 12/09/2012 8:42:00 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Republicans have made themselves useless, toothless, and clueless.)
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To: DJ Taylor; All

The military is not the problem....however their leadership is the problem

We have too many Generals and Admirals concerned with gays and political correctness. We need military leaders, not military benders

A few courts-martial of flag officers will return discipline and morale in our Armed Forces


14 posted on 12/09/2012 8:46:33 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Seems that the ones who understand little about the economy are economists)
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To: Travis McGee

A picture is worth a thousand vile words.


15 posted on 12/09/2012 8:49:15 AM PST by ConservativeStatement (Having an abortion is "progressive"?)
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To: DJ Taylor

At the time that the Army needed leadership, there wasn’t any. The drawdown, the Peace Dividend, accelerated the problems the Army had from the 1970s. The Army was a big organization. With the drawdown, retention decisions had to be made. The Army’s policy of “Up or out!” was used to decide who to retain. In a huge organization, how do you decide who to promote and keep? The people on national promotion boards, and all promotions from First Lieutenant and up were national promotion boards, can’t possibly know every Major being looked at for promotion to Lieutenant Colonel. They could look at the written evaluations , but those tend to look the same after reading the first dozen of them. There is no IQ score for Officers. There is no skill test for Officers. But there is a physical fitness test and a height weight test. You can put numbers on those. And the thinking became that the really good Officers would exercise harder and get ahead. That has turned out to be a mistaken assumption. Some people’s physiology gives them an automatic advantage. Are skinny people automatically smarter and harder working? I haven’t seen the proof of that. And for every hour you are out running, that is an hour spent not perfecting the warrior’s craft. There is a level of fitness required for close combat, but even our generals admit that there is not much of that going on. The most important thing in a promotion packet of an Officer going before a promotion board became the official photograph. The promotion boards would project the Officer’s photo on a large screen for all to see and then begin criticizing. Maybe the insignia wasn’t on quite straight. Were her ribbons in the proper order? A mustache? Does his face look heavy? With the full length photos, does he look heavy? So, the Army ignored intelligence and job skills and performance, and started promoting people based on how fast they could run and how skinny they looked. This is why you have General Petraeus out running all the time. That is what is important in the Army. It creates a class of narcissistic and vain and self-serving Officers. You reap what you sow.


16 posted on 12/09/2012 9:03:46 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Travis McGee

I believe that what you describe has been intentional from the get-go. True leaders, moral Patriots, have been quietly purged or diminished so they go voluntarily so as not to lose the pension. Financial incentive to stay quiet is pretty powerful. When is the last time you can remember anyone in power, be it the Govt. or the Military who stood up and said NO - I think it was during Nixon’s reign.


17 posted on 12/09/2012 9:19:55 AM PST by Sioux-san
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To: ClearCase_guy

Yeah, that’s very likely.


18 posted on 12/09/2012 9:20:48 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: blueunicorn6

Petreaus was the ultimate “perfumed prince.” Never heard a shot fired in anger near him as a J.O., no C.I.B, but about 40 rows of “really great guy!” BS ribbons.


19 posted on 12/09/2012 9:22:38 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Sioux-san

I think it’s sabotage from the top, the class of elitists who really are bothered by the USA having “too much” military power compared to the world. These globalists promote generals who think similarly. The Senate is where these globalist perfumed princes are selected from all of the colonels.


20 posted on 12/09/2012 9:24:28 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: DJ Taylor

The rot starts at the top.
Ubama and the Democrats insisted on sodomizing the US military, so there is no longer any genuine pride.
Anything goes, so who gives a rat’s ass?
The America I grew up in is dead and gone. Congratulations, Democrats. You win.


21 posted on 12/09/2012 9:25:26 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Travis McGee

According to liberals and many here on FR, those homos and women and other affirmative action hires can do everything the men can do and will do.


22 posted on 12/09/2012 9:28:53 AM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: Sioux-san

“I believe that what you describe has been intentional from the get-go. “

Exactly so. This has been merely one front in the all-inclusive Communist “Great March Through the Institutions” of our nation, the Globalist dream that hinged and hinges on undermining all the strengths of our once-great bulwark against their plans of tyrannical world domination.

My only solace is that this is the military they will send against us when CWII breaks out under our “Second Lincoln.”


23 posted on 12/09/2012 9:31:05 AM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Travis McGee

Yep. I sometimes wonder what Hackworth would be writing these days. My guess is that he would be constantly furious.


24 posted on 12/09/2012 9:33:53 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Travis McGee
“We must be alert to even the perception that our Nation’s most senior officers have lost their way.”

Not to mention your oath.

25 posted on 12/09/2012 9:38:07 AM PST by TADSLOS (No need to watch the movie "Idiocracy". We're living it.)
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To: DJ Taylor

And then there is Major Hussan at Ft Hood.


26 posted on 12/09/2012 9:57:23 AM PST by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: Travis McGee

What we have here is the Peacock Syndrome - look fancy, but are really dumb.


27 posted on 12/09/2012 10:07:23 AM PST by Sioux-san
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To: DJ Taylor

Purging normal white males.


28 posted on 12/09/2012 10:35:04 AM PST by Iron Munro (Big Moo & Bronco 'Bama = Robbing From The Hood and Boy Blunder)
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To: Travis McGee
In 1950 the U.S. Army very nearly “broke” in Korea. It was very close to a total rout, and those were some very tough men, many WW2 combat vets.

Au contraire. Many of the mid-grade officers and senior NCO's were vets--but the rankers were draftees who had been coddled by a new peace-time slackness. I suggest that you read This Kind of War. But that author also talks about how senior officers copped out on standing up for high standards in order to "get along" with politicians.

29 posted on 12/09/2012 10:39:01 AM PST by Lysandru
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To: CodeToad

We will find out otherwise to our shock and horror when we are forced into a real war, and not a drone project.


30 posted on 12/09/2012 10:55:45 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: blueunicorn6

No doubt.


31 posted on 12/09/2012 10:56:42 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: DJ Taylor

Drumming out and hunting down Bible velieving Christians will definitely improve their morality problem.

lolz


32 posted on 12/09/2012 10:57:10 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Lysandru; CodeToad

“Many” is a fact. Note, I didn’t say “most.”

And “many” tough, battle-hardened WW2 vets among the NCO and officer ranks in Korea in 1950 were barely enough to prevent the draftees from uttlerly breaking.

And those 1950 draftees were probably about ten times as tough as today’s typical video game sissies, fairies and girls that we are currently calling our volunteer military.

Today’s D.I.s say that the only muscles that our new volunteers have upon induction are their video gaming thumbs. Fat-camp and weakling camp before boot camp starts is SOP, just to get the kids ready for a few pushups and an easy jog.

And the boot camp of today is a coed affair, with “stress cards” to give the D.I.s if it just becomes to much for the little dears.

The Chinese, Russians and Iranians are smiling.


33 posted on 12/09/2012 11:05:10 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

“not a drone project.”

As I have probably mentioned before, I have family that fly some top level drones. As they said, should SHTF, they are out of there as they are sitting sucks and everyone in their community knows who the pilots are. These pilots get it. They know a real CWII means their occupations are over and they want no part of those weapon systems being used on US civilians.


34 posted on 12/09/2012 11:21:47 AM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: DJ Taylor

General Dempsey can stop lying to play leftist political correctness, first.

He blamed a protesting preacher who burnt a koran for putting our troops who are at war with Islam, in danger of angry Islamists. He denounced the first amendment if it should offend Shaira. He’s confused about who his enemies are and who his countrymen are and his loyalities are divided. He’s not an American; he’s a globalist.

In particular, he’s been spurred to speak out about dishonor and sexual immorality while pushing the integration of homosexuality (which has no sexual moral framework) into the military. He’s up-side-down and insane with the lies of political correctness.


35 posted on 12/09/2012 1:09:48 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson

Chinese saying: “The fish rots from the head on down.”

The President sets the example for subordinate behavioral standards.....


36 posted on 12/09/2012 1:23:20 PM PST by OldArmy52 (The question is not whether Obama ever lies, but whether he ever tells the truth.)
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To: Travis McGee

Starting with Colon Powell. (Spelling intentional).


37 posted on 12/09/2012 1:29:54 PM PST by Tucker39
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To: Travis McGee
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2967163/posts

here is a post about one of those sissies, now.....oh wait, it's actually about a total badass Marine with an MOH that had to try to bail his unit out when the Army FA wouldn't provide support.

Yeah, there aren't as many big farm boys as their used to be, but all the kids today volunteered in a time of war, to go to war. I respect them for that, and you should too.

38 posted on 12/09/2012 1:32:08 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit

I do. And the combat arms are very strong. But the support units.....ugh. A lot of them would save us all money just going home and going on welfare.


39 posted on 12/09/2012 2:21:23 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: DJ Taylor
Mitt Romney was way ahead of the curve.

Here he is in 1994, laying out his goal of homosexualizing the military.

"One issue I want to clarify concerns President Clinton’s “don’t ask, don’t tell, don’t pursue” military policy.
I believe that the Clinton compromise was a step in the right direction. I am also convinced that it is the first of a number of steps that will ultimately lead to gays and lesbians being able to serve openly and honestly in our nation’s military.
That goal will only be reached when preventing discrimination against gays and lesbians is a mainstream concern, which is a goal we share."

40 posted on 12/09/2012 3:50:08 PM PST by ansel12 (A.Coulter2005(truncated)Romney will never recover from his Court's create of a right to gay marriage)
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To: Parmy
Take a look at the President who leads the Military. He advocates homosexuality.

True, and look at post 40 to see who the republicans ran against him.

As Governor, Romney gave the nation "gay marriage", and even during the campaign he restated that he supported homosexual Scout masters, and that he would leave the military homosexualized, which as you can see in post 40, was Mitt's goal, long before anyone heard of an Obama.

41 posted on 12/09/2012 4:33:41 PM PST by ansel12 (A.Coulter2005(truncated)Romney will never recover from his Court's create of a right to gay marriage)
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