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Obama administration investigating sergeant who said the Bible condemns homosexuality
http://www.lifesitenews.com ^ | December 7, 2012 | Kirsten Andersen

Posted on 12/09/2012 8:09:40 AM PST by NKP_Vet

The U.S. Department of Education (DOE) has launched a federal investigation over a conversation between a Huntsville JROTC instructor and a lesbian student about the Bible and homosexuality.

Last April, Virgil Grissom High School student Taylor Sisk, 15, asked a local homosexual activist to file a complaint on her behalf after 1st Sgt. Lynn Vanzandt allegedly told her that he believed the Bible says homosexuality is a sin. It is unclear how the conversation began.

Sisk, who leads her school’s Gay-Straight Alliance club, claimed she was talking to another girl about wanting to live in San Francisco when Vanzandt made his remarks. Other witnesses have said the girls directly asked Vanzandt his opinion on homosexuality. Sisk claimed they then asked him to stop talking about it and, when he refused, her friend ran crying from the room.

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I don't guess these communists and athiests that run Obamagabe's DOE have ever heard of the Bible, which certainly condemns homosexual acts. But in today's society speaking the truth will land you in jail.
1 posted on 12/09/2012 8:09:48 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet
Well Obamagabe knows that Islam condemns it as well. And why is he smiling when his dog is in his ... you know.

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2 posted on 12/09/2012 8:12:38 AM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: NKP_Vet
I would not advise my children to join the US military at this time, or the foreseeable future.


3 posted on 12/09/2012 8:13:13 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: NKP_Vet

The homos and the liberals know that to destroy America they have to destroy the Army, too. They’re doing a good job of attacking it.


4 posted on 12/09/2012 8:13:51 AM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: Travis McGee

Think optimistically, perhaps given the pro fag anti normal agenda war he is fighting, he is being considered for a battle field commission.


5 posted on 12/09/2012 8:15:03 AM PST by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: NKP_Vet

And Americans voted for four more years of this.


6 posted on 12/09/2012 8:17:58 AM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (Ho, ho, hey, hey, I'm BUYcotting Chick-Fil-A)
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To: NKP_Vet

The Fluken feds don’t have anything better to do than to “investigate” some little spoiled princess’ whineyass complaint because somebody told her to grow up and stop being a spoiled brat sexual deviant wannabe. I guess the feds think that they have solved the economy, jobs and illegal immigration problems. Time for them to stick their lardasses in someone else’s business and to intimidate them and fill them with fear of losing their job. I hate fascist Nazis.


7 posted on 12/09/2012 8:21:46 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (I feel sad for my once great country. We deserve everything that is about to happen to us.)
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To: NKP_Vet
Golly gee.... I guess bathouse Barry has never heard of Leviticus 20:13. It would certainly cramp his style in those bars filled with middle age white men in Chicago.
8 posted on 12/09/2012 8:23:37 AM PST by Stepan12
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To: NKP_Vet

The DOE is a huge jobs program for liberals, an affirmative action hiring hall. Stuffed full of useless liberals and gays. Gays adore these fabulous fabulous Federale jobs. This why the Federale Gov’t is so effed and dysfunctional and oppressing the normal people of America

Total ripoff of the taxpyers


9 posted on 12/09/2012 8:26:18 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything)
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To: NKP_Vet

Direct such individuals to the appropriate Biblical passages and turn the question around. Ask them if they believe the Bible condemns homosexual behavior.

If they’re capable of reading, the correct answer is evident. This shows them the truth while keeping you from being caught up in the intended result of such a baiting, political question.

If anyone thinks “gay marriage” isn’t going to be used to try to force churches to marry homosexuals, they’re delusional.


10 posted on 12/09/2012 8:37:31 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Travis McGee

Leviticus 20:13

ASV: (American Standard Version, 1901) “And if a man lie with mankind, as with womankind, both of them have committed abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.”
Darby: (J.N. Darby Translation, 1890): “And if a man lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall certainly be put to death; their blood is upon them.”
ESV: (English Standard Version): “If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.”
HNV: (Hebrew Names Version): “If a man lies with a male, as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.”
KJV: (King James Version): “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.”
LB: (Living Bible): “The penalty for homosexual acts is death to both parties. They have brought it upon themselves.”
NASB: (New American Standard Bible): “’If {there is} a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them. “
Net Bible: “If a man has sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman, the two of them have committed an abomination. They must be put to death; their blood guilt is on themselves.” 1
NIV: (New International Version) “If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.”
NKJV: (New King James Version) “If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.”
NLT: (New Living Translation): “The penalty for homosexual acts is death to both parties. They have committed a detestable act, and are guilty of a capital offense.”
RSV: (Revised Standard Version): “If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them.”
Webster: (Noah Webster Version, 1833): “If a man also shall lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.”
Young: (Robert Young Literal Translation, 1898) “And a man who lieth with a male as one lieth with a woman; abomination both of them have done; they are certainly put to death; their blood [is] on them.”


11 posted on 12/09/2012 8:38:04 AM PST by Breto (The Establishment party is killing our country)
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To: NKP_Vet

What’s she worried about? Two women can’t have sex anyway.


12 posted on 12/09/2012 8:41:55 AM PST by arderkrag (An Unreconstructed Georgian, Forever in Rebellion.)
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To: NKP_Vet
It isn't hard to find arguments that the Bible does not condemn homosexuality. Any reasonable person reading them, however, will IMO reach the conclusion that the arguments are strained and inherently dishonest.

I think a more interesting discussion is that the Bible does not condemn homosexuality as greatly more evil than other sexual sins. In fact, in the NT it is generally listed as just one of numerous sins, sexual and otherwise. Right in the middle of the list.

Conservatives and Christians have, IMO, assigned a uniquely extreme sinfulness to homosexual acts that the Bible does not really support. Meanwhile, other sexual sins, which the Bible implies are similar in their degree of sinfulness, are treated by them in practice as merely venial or even not sins at all.

13 posted on 12/09/2012 8:41:55 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Stepan12
With Washington State passing gay marriage and legalizing pot on the same day it has been discovered that Leviticus has been interpreted incorrectly. It should read:

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them must be stoned. :-)

14 posted on 12/09/2012 8:45:37 AM PST by Spunky (We lost so now I am thinking of joining them and getting an Obamaphone.)
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To: Sherman Logan
It isn't hard to find arguments that the Bible does not condemn homosexuality. Any reasonable person reading them, however, will IMO reach the conclusion that the arguments are strained and inherently dishonest. I think a more interesting discussion is that the Bible does not condemn homosexuality as greatly more evil than other sexual sins. In fact, in the NT it is generally listed as just one of numerous sins, sexual and otherwise. Right in the middle of the list. Conservatives and Christians have, IMO, assigned a uniquely extreme sinfulness to homosexual acts that the Bible does not really support. Meanwhile, other sexual sins, which the Bible implies are similar in their degree of sinfulness, are treated by them in practice as merely venial or even not sins at all.

Protestants say that all sins are equally wrong, and Catholics (and presumably Orthodox as well) say that sexual sin is of the venial sort. The reason it appears that we assign a 'uniquely extreme sinfulness' to it is primarily because the surrounding culture has made it a hot-button issue; liars, drunks and thieves aren't organizing and trying to have their behavior given the church's mark of approval.

15 posted on 12/09/2012 8:51:36 AM PST by The Grammarian
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To: NKP_Vet
"...Last April, Virgil Grissom High School student Taylor Sisk, 15, asked a local homosexual activist to file a complaint on her behalf after 1st Sgt. Lynn Vanzandt allegedly told her that he believed the Bible says homosexuality is a sin..."

This student has been successfully indoctrinated and brainwashed. She was blessed to have someone speak truth to her. Her answer was to run to this 'activist' who would publicly back her up and make her feel legitimized in her sinful lifestyle. That isn't love or protection. It's lies and jumping off the cliff together morally and spiritually.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10

16 posted on 12/09/2012 8:52:13 AM PST by 444Flyer
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To: arderkrag
What’s she worried about? Two women can’t have sex anyway.

Right. That's why BJ Clinton said he never had "sex" with that woman.

Oh yeah, that's why dildos don't exist and dual oral stimulation is not sex....

OK...I understand now.

FMCDH(BITS)

17 posted on 12/09/2012 8:52:21 AM PST by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: NKP_Vet

Of course the Bible condemns homosexuality. But of course, “homosexuality” is really a modern construct whicj turns same sex attractionb into a personality trait rather than the form of behavior condemned by the Bible. The Bible condemns sodomy for the same reason that it condemns adultery. It is hard to talk to people who have been filled with this idea that a homosexual is a kind of person, and that his actions are natural to him. At bottom is the notion that no expression of human desire is intrinsically evil. Christianity must be suppressed because it teaches that certain acts are sinful. Gays hate Christianity for the same reason that murderers do.


18 posted on 12/09/2012 8:54:44 AM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: NKP_Vet
Homosexuality and the Bible
19 posted on 12/09/2012 9:11:16 AM PST by Spunky (We lost so now I am thinking of joining them and getting an Obamaphone.)
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To: Sherman Logan

hmm ~ they had the death penalty for all of them at one time or the other ~ so the limits on this discussion are ........ and ............ or ...........


20 posted on 12/09/2012 9:12:47 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: The Grammarian

“The reason it appears that we [Christians] assign a ‘uniquely extreme sinfulness’ to it [homosexual acts] is primarily because the surrounding culture has made it a hot-button issue; liars, drunks and thieves aren’t organizing and trying to have their behavior given the church’s mark of approval.”
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BINGO!


21 posted on 12/09/2012 9:13:44 AM PST by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: nothingnew

Oral stimulation isn’t sex. Sex is a very specific thing. Penetrative intercourse involving a real (not simulated) penis.


22 posted on 12/09/2012 9:17:53 AM PST by arderkrag (An Unreconstructed Georgian, Forever in Rebellion.)
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To: NKP_Vet

I wonder who’s been grooming little 15 year old Taylor...


23 posted on 12/09/2012 9:18:45 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Sherman Logan

“Conservatives and Christians have, IMO, assigned a uniquely extreme sinfulness to homosexual acts that the Bible does not really support”.

Sure it does, in Genesis 18 - 19. The term “sodomy” is derived from Sodom.

“And the Lord rained upon Sodom and Gomorrha brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven”.


24 posted on 12/09/2012 9:20:58 AM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: JimRed

There was a more “innocent” time when such a thing was limited to certain female coaches of girls’ high school sports teams, and only rumored at that. Times such as when I was in high school in the late seventies and early eighties.

God only knows now.


25 posted on 12/09/2012 9:25:14 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: NKP_Vet

Free speech for the perverted ones, but not for the heterosexuals.


26 posted on 12/09/2012 9:30:15 AM PST by Polyxene (Out of the depths I have cried to Thee, O Lord; Lord, hear my voice.)
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To: The Grammarian
Catholics (and presumably Orthodox as well) say that sexual sin is of the venial sort.

Not exactly.

A mortal sin must include three elements. 1) Grave matter, 2) Full knowledge that the matter is grave and 3) full consent of the will to commit the act. Fornication is a grave matter.

Catechism of the Catholic Church:

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm

27 posted on 12/09/2012 9:33:33 AM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: Sherman Logan

“I think a more interesting discussion is that the Bible does not condemn homosexuality as greatly more evil than other sexual sins.”

Hmmmm...

“They gave up God: and therefore God gave them up—to be the playthings of their own foul desires in dishonouring their own bodies. These men deliberately forfeited the truth of God and accepted a lie, paying homage and giving service to the creature instead of to the Creator, who alone is worthy to be worshipped for ever and ever, amen. God therefore handed them over to disgraceful passions. Their women exchanged the normal practices of sexual intercourse for something which is abnormal and unnatural. Similarly the men, turning from natural intercourse with women, were swept into lustful passions for one another. Men with men performed these shameful horrors, receiving, of course, in their own personalities the consequences of sexual perversity.” - Romans 1

As a personal sin - one person doing something wrong - homosexuality sends you to hell to no greater degree than any other sin. But it is singled out as a sign of those who utterly reject God, and a society that accepts it is a society that utterly rejects God and asks God to judge them. Or us.

In the 60s and 70s, and certainly at any date prior to the 60s, it would have been inconceivable to have any state in America approve of homosexuals marrying. I’m filled with dread for this country, not because I’m squeamish about homosexuals, but because I recognize the change in our country’s morals and understand that our acceptance of homosexuality is like giving God the Middle Finger Salute. And I’m not looking forward to being in a country that God decides to punish...


28 posted on 12/09/2012 9:42:28 AM PST by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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To: The Grammarian

“Catholics say” . . . what?

Consult and quote the Catechism or stay clear from this subject.


29 posted on 12/09/2012 9:43:53 AM PST by stanne
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To: NKP_Vet

Send him off to a reeducation camp.Our Glorious Leader has spoken.


30 posted on 12/09/2012 9:49:02 AM PST by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: The Grammarian

Utter ignorance or is it senility?


31 posted on 12/09/2012 9:49:32 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

“I hate fascist Nazis.”

Oh, you mean Democrats.


32 posted on 12/09/2012 9:50:07 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: arderkrag; All
“Oral stimulation isn’t sex. Sex is a very specific thing. Penetrative intercourse involving a real (not simulated) penis.”

Be sure to tell your Daughter that, she will be very popular by the time she gets to JR High School.

33 posted on 12/09/2012 10:01:17 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: The Grammarian; Sherman Logan
[Sherman Logan:] I think a more interesting discussion is that the Bible does not condemn homosexuality as greatly more evil than other sexual sins.

The reason it appears that we assign a 'uniquely extreme sinfulness' to it is primarily because the surrounding culture has made it a hot-button issue; liars, drunks and thieves aren't organizing and trying to have their behavior given the church's mark of approval.

I would not entirely disagree... But Sherman Logan has a point which I would say comes from Lev. 18... 'The sins that would cause the land to vomit you out'. Because they are listed as such, they become exclusive and of a 'higher' class - And historically, at least in America, I think the passage has defined that which is unpardonable abomination.

It is unfortunate to look at that chapter and see how very far our once great country has fallen. We cannot be far from that act of 'vomiting out'.

@Sherman Logan: I would differ from you only in seeing that historically in America, those sexual sins were once abominable, to include heterosexual adultery, and sex before marriage. I am of the last generation that knew what was, and I fear my admonitions given to my children have fallen on deaf ears.

But then, My mother's admonitions to me fell on deaf ears too - it is my generation that knew right from wrong, and chose the wrong. But having known the right, having experienced a time gone by, we were able to see our mistake and try to return.

My children, I fear (their generation) do not even know the difference.

34 posted on 12/09/2012 10:13:03 AM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: NKP_Vet

I had a “gender-questioning” woman try to fire me for not calling her by her “male” name.

What a world.


35 posted on 12/09/2012 10:15:43 AM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: Sherman Logan
Conservatives and Christians have, IMO, assigned a uniquely extreme sinfulness to homosexual acts that the Bible does not really support.

One of the reasons for that is that it is a sin that involves more than one person; and the other person may not always be as willing. Another reason stems from history: the taking of children for sexual purposes, or making them temple prostitutes from early childhood, which was more common in the middle east when the Bible was written, and is still practiced in many parts of Asia. These are heinous acts.

36 posted on 12/09/2012 10:16:51 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Government can't redistribute talent, willpower, or intelligence, except through dictatorship.)
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To: The Grammarian

See post 36.


37 posted on 12/09/2012 10:18:54 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Government can't redistribute talent, willpower, or intelligence, except through dictatorship.)
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To: Spunky
Homosexuality and the Bible

That's an excellent resource all in one place. Thanks for posting.

38 posted on 12/09/2012 10:23:22 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Government can't redistribute talent, willpower, or intelligence, except through dictatorship.)
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To: muawiyah
hmm ~ they had the death penalty for all of them at one time or the other ~ so the limits on this discussion are ........ and ............ or ...........

I personally favor the death penalty for any adult over the age of 26 who sexually penetrates a child under the age of 13. And which group is statistically more likely to do so? Care to guess?

39 posted on 12/09/2012 10:26:43 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Government can't redistribute talent, willpower, or intelligence, except through dictatorship.)
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To: JimRed
I wonder who’s been grooming little 15 year old Taylor..

Parents gamble when they give children androgynous names.

40 posted on 12/09/2012 10:29:01 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Government can't redistribute talent, willpower, or intelligence, except through dictatorship.)
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To: NKP_Vet

You are not allowed to have an opinion in the military now?

Wow. It’s okay to be for gays but to just say the Bible calls it a sin is now a crime?


41 posted on 12/09/2012 10:34:53 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: NKP_Vet

You are not allowed to have an opinion in the military now?

Wow. It’s okay to be for gays but to just say the Bible calls it a sin is now a crime?


42 posted on 12/09/2012 10:34:53 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: NKP_Vet

They ran crying from the room because of someone else’s opinion...

... I guess they are Army strong??

lol


43 posted on 12/09/2012 10:36:17 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: NKP_Vet

They ran crying from the room because of someone else’s opinion...

... I guess they are Army strong??

lol


44 posted on 12/09/2012 10:36:19 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Sherman Logan
Conservatives and Christians have, IMO, assigned a uniquely extreme sinfulness to homosexual acts

Which other sexual sins are taught in schools as normal? Which other sexual sins have civil rights organizations fighting for normalization? Which other sexual sins are being pushed as hard as this one?

Sex outside of marriage? Christians condemn that too

45 posted on 12/09/2012 10:42:27 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Albion Wilde

I am in favor of life in prison for anyone who is an adult who has sex with a minor. Yes, even a 17 year old. If you cannot WAIT for them to turn 18, then you are not goo enough to live in society.


46 posted on 12/09/2012 10:43:50 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: SkyDancer

Virgil Grissom High School, homosexuality, BO, and a dog and not a single comment about “screwing the pooch”yet? Must be a slow Sunday morning in Freeperville.


47 posted on 12/09/2012 10:46:41 AM PST by Last of the Mohicans
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To: NKP_Vet
"...he believed the Bible says homosexuality is a sin.

Investigated because of what he believes?

The majority of Americans are now living under the tyranny and hate of the perverts, black racists, womyn, moochers and other minorities.

This is their 'Thank You' to liberal America for replacing informed judgement, morality and ethics with Political Correctness.


48 posted on 12/09/2012 10:50:20 AM PST by Iron Munro (I MISS AMERICA !!!!)
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To: arderkrag

I always keep the deviants quiet when I ask them what is the purpose of homo sex. They could never answer that.


49 posted on 12/09/2012 11:01:18 AM PST by USAF80
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To: arderkrag

Oral is sexual, not sex.

It is still in the ballpark.

It is still immoral.


50 posted on 12/09/2012 11:04:21 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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