Posted on 12/09/2012 10:49:20 AM PST by i88schwartz
HELENE COOPER, NEW YORK TIMES: "I really do think at the end of the day, Larry, what you describe sounds like sort of the White House negotiating right now -- easily saying, 'Yeah, we can go over the fiscal cliff.' But at the end of the day, this is a president, he would have to own it. He may not think he has to own the recession; but if we go over that, he is going to have to own that. And that's something he definitely knows."
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Republicans are the Obama equivalent of Trotskyite wreckers in the old USSR.
Obama always gets what he wants and the Republicans get the blame.
Since Jan. 20, 2009.
Hey lady! 0bama don’ havta’ do nuthin”! Where ya been?
That's simply NUTZ.
Zero knows if we go off the fiscal cliff, several good things (from his perspective) will occur: (1) tax rates will rise on all American taxpayers (the roughly 47% of non-taxpayers would be unaffected, so why should they care, as long as they get their "bennies?"); (2) Defense spending will be cut by some $300 billion (the defense sequester); (3), discretionary spending will be cut likewise — but I doubt 0bama loses any sleep over this, because such would be priorities for instant restoration, and he can handle that.... Meanwhile, he fully intends to place the blame on Congressional Republicans for the ensuing financial debacle, and is pretty sure he can make that charge "'stick."
This is what worries pusillanimous Republicans in the House, notably, eminently including Speaker Boehner.
But I say to them, it is preferable to go over the fiscal cliff than to negotiate with this guy — especially if they have to cede — heaven forfend! — the power of debt ceiling increase to the President, and yet another round of federal fiscal stimulus/"investment."
I say since 0bama claims a "mandate" from the last election to raise taxes, let the taxes rise — on everybody alike. Let ALL the Bush era tax cuts expire; let the economy tank; let the jobless numbers rise; let businesses fail across the board.
This is precisely what the unwitting supporters of President Zero voted for on November 6th.
I say to the Congressional GOP: Let these feckless voters SEE exactly what they voted FOR. Get out of the way, and let 0bama take us over the cliff, into a profound recession, a credit downgrade, potentially leading to national bankruptcy.
Though there will be terrible suffering involved (likely including my own, and my own family's), I think it's better to "nip the problem in the bud" as early as possible, even though it leads to sharp suffering in the short-term. That, to me, is preferable to "death by a thousand cuts," which I believe is where Speaker Boehner is leading us, with his naive belief that President 0bama is the least bit interested in "negotiating" with him.
0bama's plan for reducing America and the Constitution is proceeding apace. He thinks he "wins" whether we go over the fiscal cliff, or gets concessions out of Boehner.
He thinks he's sitting in the cat-bird seat, that he "wins" either way....
Anyhoot, JMHO, FWIW.
Just one last thought: "Pride ever cometh before the fall."
For me, the quote describing the media’s and the Dem voters attitude towards anything Obama does comes from the vapid “Love Story:” “Love is never having to say you’re sorry.”
If there’s blame to be had, Obama will shift it to Bush, or Boehner, or the Kochs, or anyone else... and as far as the MSM is concerned, he will be successful in so doing.
He may not think he has to own the recession; but if we go over that, he is going to have to own that. And that's something he definitely knows.Yeah, right. He's been blaming everyone else for everything since before he was spawned.
Yep, the NY Slime and Cooper setting up to be able to say anything after the event occurs no matter which way we go.
Whatever bad happens, it's the Republicans fault and they did it on purpose.
Whatever good happens, Obama "knew" he would "own" it, if he didn't "stand firm", and assure this outcome.
Kid play this game flipping coins, "heads I win, tails, you lose".
If Obama does end up "owning" the recession, can he sell it?
2013 start of the four year Omama recession.
I’ll be the contrarian on this thread. Many Americans are high as a kite on hopium. ....and with the help of the media are not about to put down the pipe. But like all addicts reality inevitably has it’s way. Right now were out. The GOP ...conservatives...the whole brand has been tarnished for many reasons. There however us one force that will enforce sobriety and that is the markets. We can’t just keep peddling bad paper without blowback....and when it happens I would advise the Rwpubs to stand back as far as possible. The dims will take the fall. You cannot eat gay marriage and free condoms indefinitely.
Drivel! Pure drivel! The NYT will lead the charge blaming it on (fill in the blank...anyone but obama).
If Boehner has an ounce of guts...which I doubt...he will let the cliff happen and go on the media offensive...which I doubly doubt.
OK
There however is one force that will enforce sobriety and that is the markets. We can’t just keep peddling bad paper without blowback...
So far that's not contrarian, that's Natural Economic Law.
when it happens I would advise the Rwpubs to stand back as far as possible. The dims will take the fall.
I would let you get away with that if you would add one word: "Eventually". However, I get your point.
That said I can't see the MSM branch of the Rat party backing off the outright lies, blame shifting and coverup that has worked the useful idiots so well for them up to now. Only after the most stupid Rat zombie says "where's my stuff" to his block commissar, maybe then.
Obama is protected by the media and his demented believers as well as endstage PC. He will topple ONLY when he takes down America, not before. We are on a ride and we know where it will end. Now, let’s talk about somthing else...
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